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Who races the Goomba King in the mission mode of Mario Kart DS? --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 19:20, 26 June 2006 (EDT)
:Toad. I added the info in. :) -[[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]] 19:34, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

==''Mario Kart DS''==
I've never played ''Mario Kart DS'', but does the game ever say that Goomboss and the Goomba King are the same person? --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Y</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">o</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">s</span>''']][[Special:recentchanges|'''<span style="color:black">h</span>''']][[Special:random|'''<span style="color:green">i</span>''']][[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">2</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 16:02, 16 January 2007 (EST)

:No game does, it is heavily implied, just like it is implied [[Chubby|Chubbies]] are [[Monty Mole]]s. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
::I agree, but how come [[King Boo#The First Encounter?|this]] is different? --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Y</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">o</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">s</span>''']][[Special:recentchanges|'''<span style="color:black">h</span>''']][[Special:random|'''<span style="color:green">i</span>''']][[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">2</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 16:20, 16 January 2007 (EST)

:Because in SM64 (the original version) there was an enemy named "Big Boo". The Big Boo from SM64 DS could be this same Big Boo, but it is likely King Boo, a different character. There was no Goomboss or Goomba King in the original version of SM64. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of SUns]]
::Huh, I never thought of it like that. Thanks. --[[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">Y</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">o</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">s</span>''']][[Special:recentchanges|'''<span style="color:black">h</span>''']][[Special:random|'''<span style="color:green">i</span>''']][[User:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[User talk:Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:green">2</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Yoshi626|'''<span style="color:black">6</span>''']][[Image:Egg.PNG|20px]] 16:42, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Anybody notice that in MKDS, he has white eyebrows while in Paper Mario, they are just black. Has this Goomba aged?{{User:Knife/sig}}

It's been over 5 years since Gooma King last attacked so yeah. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

== Goomboss ==

We should change this to Goomboss. I haven't seen him called Goomba King since [[Paper Mario]]. Our [[Blooper]] page isn't called Bloober, is it?!? [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]][[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup>[[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] 20:32, 17 January 2007 (EST)
:Good point. But please, try to make your screenshots a bit less fuzzier.. {{User:3dejong/sig|who needs to make his scans better!}}
::I have a Mac and OF COURSE they don't make ''screenshot processors'' for <u>MAC</u>!!!!!!! I have to stick with a regular camera. <:( [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]][[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup>[[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] 20:35, 17 January 2007 (EST)
:::My digital camera won't take screenshots AT ALL. And I'm stuck with a Windows! {{User:3dejong/sig|if Windows was a toaster company, everybody would hate it, but all the good bread would only work with Windows!}}
::::I argue with the first comment. He was first Goomba King in his first appearance. He had a crown and King-like clothes. His original name is Goomba King. --[[User:Kelt|General Kelty]] 18:08, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

:::::I think the newest name should be the title. That's how it works at Wikipedia anyway.<br>[[User:Confused|<span style="color:Red;">I</span>]] [[User talk:Confused|<span style="color:Blue;">am</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Confused|<span style="color:Green;">Confused</span>]] 12:07, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

== Goomboss<s>=</s>Goomba King? ==
How do we know that Goomba King has changed his name from Goomba King and Goomboss? Sure they look the same, but is there any proof at all saying that Goomboss is the same as Goomba King?<br>[[User:Confused|<span style="color:Red;">I</span>]] [[User talk:Confused|<span style="color:Blue;">am</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Confused|<span style="color:Green;">Confused</span>]] 22:04, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Aside from their near identical appearance, no, theres no real proof; so, what should be done about this? -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

State that it is implied they are the same. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Just say that in PM, he was known as Goomba king, but is now known as Goomboss. {{User:3dejong/sig|EZ.}}

They are defintaly the same guys. his basic appearence could be coincidence but they have the same color striped pants to.-Pal101

Just one question: if the "Goomba King" was enlarged by the Star Rod, how could he be Goomboss, if Super Mario 64 DS takes place chronologically BEFORE Paper Mario? If that question could be answered, I'd bet few people would have any more problems with it. That's not to say I don't agree with the merge, though- I'd just like that explained. {{User:Dinosaur bob/sig}} 12:07, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Aside from appearence they do have more similarities. They both semm insane. They both stomp back and forth and watch both there eyes. They go up and down alot. Also Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS are different enough to be considered two seperet incidents.-Pal101

I am glad you have an open mind about it though
{{User:Pal101))

Honestly, I consider SM64DS a remake, telling an updated version of the same events- or better yet, sort of a Special Edition. {{User:Dinosaur bob/sig}} 20:53, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Okay so we may never truly know. Lets bug Nintendo about it until they give us the answer.
[[User:Pal101]]

Did Bowser ever say he ''enlarged'' the Goomba King with the Star Rod? I believe these are the only lines of dialogue where Bowser mentions the Goomba King's power.

Bowser: "What? Unbelievable! What was the Goomba King thinking? I used the Star Rod to ''make him a King'' because he begged me...And Mario whips him so easily? What a wimp!! Uh...Kammy Koopa! You ARE sure Mario can never defeat us, right?"<br>
...<br>
Bowser: "...Psst! Kammy Koopa... Are you sure these guys can get the job done? That Goomba King ''was gigantic'' and even he couldn't beat Mario."<br>
R Ninjakoopa: "Pshaw! Get real, King Bowser! Yeah, the Goomba King ''was huge'', but he was a total wimpola! We're nothing like him! See, what we've got going on is the power of teamwork...Together, we can put the hurt on Mario in seconds flat!"

--[[User:Alan Redgown56|Alan Redgown56]] 17:45, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Um... that quote takes place after Mario ''beat'' Goomboss. It was talking about how big he was in the fight. {{User:Max2/sig}}.

I'll write a letter to Nintendo of America asking if Goomboss and Goomba King are the same character!-KP Shadow

I think that if we are going to merge goomboss and the goomba king, we should merge kammy koopa and kamella-primid snake
:Goomboss and Goomba King are already merged, there's no "going to" in it. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:10, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

What I ment was if were going to make them the same article. I thought you could infer that.-primid snake

I think that in Super Mario 64 DS his name was Goomboss first but in Paper Mario, Bowser gave him king status, but when he was defeated he lost his royalty and became Goomboss again. [[User:MarioFan9999|MarioFan9999]] 11:14, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

==Mention that...==

Shouldn't we at least meniton that it isn't %100 confirmed if Goomboss and Gommba King are the same? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:As far as I know, his name is always the same in Japanese ("Kuri King"), which implies that they are really the same. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 15:41, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

==made of Goombas==
When I was playing Super Mario 64 DS, I noticed when he exploded goombas came out of him. Does that mean he is made of Goombas? {{User:GalacticPetey/sig}}
:That... would be weird. I think that when he's beaten, he splits into Goombas, but I don't think we should care that much about it. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
Well, [[Boolossus]] is made of [[Boos]], so maybe Goomboss is made of goombas? At any rate, he would then have some motivation to be turned into a king: The Star Rod's magic would probably make his form stable. [[User:Goombomb|Goombomb]]
:It's probably just a reference to the [[Big Goomba]]s, which splits into two [[Goomba]]s when jumped on. --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 23:10, 17 April 2016 (EDT)

== Merge [[List of implied characters#Chestnut King|Chestnut King]] into this ==

They have the same Japanese name, and thus are highly likely to be the same character. {{User:Misty/sig}} 21:21, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
:Nope, it may be implied, but the only evidence is the Japanese name. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:17, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
::It might be a reference to the character of the same name from the prequel, but Luigi embellishes his own story and the ''Super Luigi'' author further romanticizes his adventures, so it's still a separate interpretation of the character. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:20, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

== Move the information about the "Chesnut King" currently on the [[List of implied characters]] to this page ==

{{TPP}}

A while back, [[Talk:List of implied characters#Merge some character pages into this list|there was a proposal]] to move various article about unseen characters to the previously-mentioned page and I argued the Chestnut King (mentioned in the "[[Super Luigi]]" books in [[Paper Mario TTYD]]) page should be merged here because X, Y, and Z. The vote didn't go my way but I didn't think the opposition's arguments were very compelling, and I still think this the proper place for the information. I'll adress them all

*'''It was a deliberate change by the translators''': The original Japanese script and every other official translations of the game call this character "Goomba King". The English translation is alone in this. As detailled [https://twitter.com/SMWikiOfficial/status/1032616204740059136 here], the English translation of TTYD mangles or remove several references made to the original Paper Mario. Occam's Razor would dictate this is yet another goof.
*'''The "Chesnut King" is described differently from the Goomba King and has different motivation''': That is true, but there's an in-universe justification: the gag of Super Luigi is that Luigi's account of his adventures and the in-universe book are humorously embelished, as talking to Luigi's partners will reveal how lame or embarassing the events actually were. Making the easy tutorial boss of the previous game into the main villain of the quest and giving an Hollywood ending to a calvacade of farce totally fits with the joke of Super Luigi.
*'''The books never acknowledge at any point the Goomba King is a pre-existing character''': While this is somewhat odd from an out-of-universe perspective, nothing in the content of the story truly necessitates bringing that up and Luigi never meets the Goomba King during the original Paper Mario.

Basically, think of it this way: If Treehouse had named the character "Goomba King" (as everyone else around the globe did) back in 2004, would we have editors today vehemently arguing the information should be split because '''they obviously cannot be''' the same character? In my mind: obviously not.  

'''Proposer''': {{User|Glowsquid}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 28, 2018, 23:59 GMT

====Move here (Goomboss played us like a damn fiddle!)====
#{{User|Glowsquid}} GO ME
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} A gag of references to previous bosses continued with ''the Grodus Chronicles'', I dare say. Anyways, per proposal.
#{{User|GrainedCargo192}} Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|bwburke94}} Per all. It's likely to be a botched translation.

====Stay on List of Implied (Chestnut King is an actual Chestnut King. He is a new one. That Treehouse invented.)====
#{{User|Alex95}} - I'll hold to my original thoughts. The only 100% connection I can find is the Japanese name, everything else is different. Sure, Luigi could be fudging some details, but from what I can remember, Luigi's partners never say anything about the Chestnut King, meaning Luigi's word and ''Super Luigi'' is all we have to go off of (perhaps someone could prove me wrong there). The creation of the Chestnut King is also noteworthy, I believe: He's Princess Eclair's lover transformed. Certainly not the story Goomboss goes through.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per Alex95 and the previous proposal.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|7feetunder}} I didn't support this last time, I'm not supporting it now.
#{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} Without seeing the character firsthand we have no idea what he was embellishing and what he wasn't so the argument that he was just lying about the description doesn't hold water with me. In addition while they may have the same name in Japanese that in no way proves they are the same character or that Nintendo was intending for them to be the same. Also isn't Goombosses name in Japanese literally Chestnut King so in a kingdom full of people named after foods a name being Chestnut king is hardly a smoking gun.

====Comments====
@Alex As addressed in the proposal, "Making the easy tutorial boss of the previous game into the main villain of the quest and giving an Hollywood ending to a calvacade{{sic}} of farce totally fits with the joke of Super Luigi." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:09, 13 December 2018 (EST)
:And as I said, Luigi and ''Super Luigi'' is all we have to go off of. No matter how much of the information is true or false, it's the only information available. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:17, 13 December 2018 (EST)
::The only information available is not the unreliable narrator and his even-less reliable book. Note that when speaking with Luigi, the tale seems more in-line with the partners' stories than the books are. The books seem hyper-embellished (ie role in play going from grass to "earth spirit"), and ''only'' in the books is the "fiancee to Eclair" thing mentioned. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:05, 13 December 2018 (EST)
:::Does Luigi ever contradict the Chestnut King's origins though? Yes, the books are clearly embellished, but if Luigi and his partners don't contradict certain parts, we have no evidence to say "well it's probably made up". --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:33, 13 December 2018 (EST)
::::As said in the Goomba page ''The original Japanese name, Kuribo, translates to "Chestnut Boy", which was due to the designs looking more like chestnuts than shiitake mushrooms.'' Perhaps Goomboss being changed to the ''Chestnut King'' is a reference to goomba's original Japanese name, with the gag being that Luigi confused a goomba with a chestnut, especially since goombas tend to look more like chestnuts than shiitake mushrooms. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 16:45, 13 December 2018 (EST)