Editing Talk:Goomba

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'''Bio''': "Though Goombas once lived in peace in the Mushroom Kingdom, they betrayed their homeland to side with Bowser. Exactly how Goomba uses his baseball gear is a bit of a mystery. Maybe you can spot the secret technique if you watch closely as he makes plays in the field..." 

About that last part has anynoe seen closely what their secret is? Is it their mouth? All I remember was that the bat was floating 0_o! <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

Goombas are psychic, like me!-Informant A.K.A. KP Shadow
==Goomba Template==
Could somebody please make a Template for Goombas, it is to complicated for me. [[User:YoshiFan|YoshiFan]] 18:26, 4 February 2007 (EST) [[User:YoshiFan|A fan of Yoshis and Goombas]]

I will! -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Could anyone give me a list of the games Goombas '''haven't''' appeared in?{{User:HK-47/sig}}

==Possible Relatives==
I wonder why it says that Squiglets are relatives to goombas,mean goombas appear in [[Super Paper Mario]]. {{User:Lario/sig}}

== Round and mushroom Goombas ==

Im mario party advance i saw both regular and round goombas, are them the same or separated species?
{{User:AndreZoio/sig}}
:They go by the same name. There can be different varieties even when they're the same species. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:36, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

They're subspecies.  I also read on Wikipedia that the round Goombas have a different name from the mushroom Goombas in Japan.  Also The round Goombas look more like the mushroom Goombas in Super Mario Galaxy.  In that game there's only three small differences, round Goombas are smaller, have proportionately smaller stems, and have rounded heads-Informant A.K.A. KP Shadow

Not to mention they can be killed with a single spin, and are more grey. They're the best ones! [[User:Jakeyboy01|Jakeyboy01]] 16:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:Well, if we have separate articles for characters who have the same name in Japanese games but different ones in English games, I suppose the opposite would be true and we'd have an article on Roud Goombas. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

::We should. They seem to be the same species as from Mario Land and the Maio World games. {{unsigned|Jakeyboy01}}

The round ones yield coins even when you spin them. But when you get them with a Star Bit, they turn dizzy like normal goombas. (I used to call them "Gooms"...) [[User:Big-bang|Big-bang]]

I always thought the Goomba's were the same sprites as mushrooms recolored and with added feet.
That theory is supported by the fact that the mushrooms got rounder in SMW too.
So my theory is that the Goomba's got rounder just to save work by making less sprites.
[[User:FeyBart]]
:Mushrooms in SMW aren't much "rounder" than they already were in SMB3. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Battle of Mushroom WORLD? ==

Do you think that that's a good title for the 3rd part of the article? I think not. -[[User:WackyWario2]]
:The [[Mushroom World]] is the setting of [[Super Mario Bros. 3]]. What should be wrong with the title? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:38, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I think you may be wrong. Cuz I think that Mario 3 happened in the Mushroom KINGDOM. Not the entire WORLD. [[User:Lemmy Koopa Fan]]

It says in the handbook AND the page can't u read the actual article before saying something's wrong???[[File:Green_lightsaber.jpg|35px]][[User: CatJedi|CatJedi's been here....]][[User talk:CatJedi|..]] [http://whiskerpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whiskerpedia_Wiki Are you seeing double? Are you seeing double?] [[File:Jedikirby_2.gif|35px|I'm trying to slice CatJedi's sig!]]

== May the Force be with you, Goomba ==

How do Goombas hold baseball bats? Do they use the Force or telekinesis? {{unsigned|Georgedrake Z}}
:... That is... *ahem* a very good question. 


A wizard did it! --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 16:32, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
:Obviously that cucumber from Vegitales is behind it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:25, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

So, Blitzwing, ur sayin th@ it's basically Kamek doing the batting for it??? All the lazy Goomba has to do is run to the posts around the field on its stumpy feet then! But then i guess the running is hard work because the thing has not legs. & wh@ the hel is Vegitales?  Its not even on Wikipedia!!!

Oh yeah...duz that mean th@ sum Magikoopa scrolls thru Goombella's book 4 her in PM2 1000 Yr Door? [[User: Georegdrake Z]]

Wait a minute, what if Kamek wasn't anywhere on the field or the stands, but Goomba was playing? It could be a ghost... and it couldn't be the Boos. --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 12:05, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

:Spelling error, sir.  I meant, "Vegetales," a TV show in which sentient vegetables re-enact Bible stories... I'm not kidding.  Anyway, they have no arms so they make things float like Goomba.  Regardless, let's move this discussion to the forum, yes? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:35, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Right...anyway, I wanna talk about Magikoopa/Goomba baseball teams! Go the super combination! Oh, a thought...imagine if a Goomba was in M& S @ the Olympic Games. Thinking of a Goomba doing Archery and Fencing makes my head hurt. And Goomba Gymnastics...hahahahaha!
[[User: Georgedrake Z]]

It's likely telekinesis. As from different media, ''Veggietales'' included, animated characters are able to move things as if they had arms. A magikoopa or ghost could not maneuver an item to act with a goomba and fake it. E.g. Super Sluggers. Goomba runs up to the plate, jumps and downward swings his bat as if it were an ax. No way a separate entity could make it look like the Goomba was doing it. That'd be some weird ventriloquist stuff. 

More unusually, how does a paper Shy Guy hold an item while running without holding it? Its arms are by its side, and it walks around with an item on its head. Either the best balance of a game character ever, a sticky robe, or more telekinesis. Though, really, why analyze any part of this? Walking, jumping, rolling, living mushrooms that sing like woodwind instruments... and you wonder how the hold things. Honestly. {{User:Geniusguy445/sig}} 17:13, 6 January 2013 (EST)

== Goomba vs. Goomba ==

<nowiki>In "Goomba vs. Goomba", it says Goomboss returned. But wasn't that the first game he appeared in? And if Goombas  are so vulnerable, could Mario rip them in half? I mean, they are paper. Plus, hearing "RRRRIPPP" might even be more satisfying than the usual "Brdonk!" sound effect. (How does Goomba put on his spikey hat???)</nowiki> {{unsigned|Big-bang}}

Kamek does it for him. Or maybe Goomba used the Force like any 'armless Jedi (geddit??? 'Armless?) - Georgedrake Z

Enough about Kamek! He probably has a billion impaired minions at his house according to you guys!!! [[User:Big-bang|Big-bang]] 16:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:To answer your questions, Goomboss's first appearance was in ''[[Paper Mario]]''.  He later appeared in ''[[Super Mario 64 DS]]'', and many fans have speculated that the events of that game, overwriting the original ''[[Super Mario 64]]'', means that Goomboss's first chronological appearance was ''Super Mario 64 DS''.  However, this is speculation and doesn't have a place in our articles, but rather on our forums (you should get an account if you're interested in theories and such, by the way).  What the article should say is that he first appeared in ''Paper Mario'' and later in ''Super Mario 64 DS''.  For our purposes here we don't need to get into the nitty gritty details about whether or not ''Super Mario 64 DS'' did happen in place of ''SM64''.  As for the second question, Mario could not rip enemies in half in ''Paper Mario''.  The "paper" motif was simply an art style.  However, in later installments of the ''[[Paper Mario (series)|Paper Mario]]'' series, the "paper" concept was used in interesting ways (turning sideways, etc.). {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Quote ==

I don't think the current quote really reflects Goombas' personality... anybody know any better quotes? [[User:Big-bang|Big-bang]] 18:40, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
:If Goombas talked in ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'', I'd suggest using a quote from there (it's worked for [[Peach]] and [[Bowser]] so far... maybe it'll work for Goomba).  I could also see using the ''Paper Mario'' tattles. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:32, 11 November 2008 (EST)
{{quote|The Goombas have lost...Again?! Is this our destiny?! To be trampled by oppressive feet for all eternity? No, we will definitely triumph next time! The Goombas' fate is not defeat, but perseverance!|Goomboss|Super Mario 64 DS}}
:This used to be the main quote ([http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Goomba&diff=121815&oldid=119533 credit to Blitzwing for finding it]). Would anyone object to making it the main quote again? It describes Goombas a lot better than the current quote does. --{{User:KPH2293/Signature}} 12:16, 17 April 2009 (EDT)


== Life-Span ==

I first heard the idea that Goombas had a shorter life-span than a human from a fanfiction by legendary Mario fanfiction authoress Chicken Miasma. At first, I disagreed due to lack of evidence, though the concept of a sentient race with a shorter life-span than a human (as opposed to longer, as is commonly seen in fantasy and sci-fi) was a concept I had dabbled in in a few of my original stories, and was thus familiar with.

However, just a few days ago I picked up my old [[Paper Mario]] N64 cartridge. Luckily, both cartridge, console, and controller were functional due to care of storage and usage.

Naturally, I was doing old [[Koopa Koot's Favors|Koopa Koot's Errands]] between chapters. And as is characteristic of old [[Koopa Koot]], he is full of colorful saying. I payed them no mind at first, but one caught my notice...

I had reached the part of the game after Chapter 4, and I got around to doing that round of errands for Koopa Koot. Took care of the noisy Bob-ombs? Check. Got the old photo from the Boos (and was surprised it wasn't in black and white)? Check. But then I came upon the reqest for some [[Koopasta Dish|Koopasta]]. Koopa Koot opened with saying:
"I really haven't had a tasty meal in a Goomba's age."

Notice the saying. It is an obvious play on the old yet colorful phrase "I haven't done so-and-so in a dog's age". It is used to signify what feels like a very long time without mentioning exact time. Naturally, this saying is named so because dogs have a much shorter life-span than Humans.

So this got me wondering... If "Goomba" is used in place of "dog" in this phrase, does this mean that Goombas have a much shorter life-span than Humans? Or, possibly, shorter than a Koopa Troopa's life-span?

I doubt that a Goomba only lives about fourteen years like a domestic canine, but it is possibly short enough to be significant in comparison to other Mushroom World races.

Thoughts? Theories?

--[[User:Cyberweasel89|Cyberweasel89]] 13:29, 11 January 2010 (EST)

It's an interesting observation you have there. It could just be a play on words, but on the same time it could mean that a Goomba has a shorter lifespan. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

Well, maybe it is a reference to the fact that most Goombas are killed by someone very quickly, so their average lifespan has functionally been reduced by the Mario Brothers. {{User|4DJONG}}

== flying goombas? ==

there is actually flying goombas theres proof in one level in new super mario bros ds there are about 5 goombas with wings bouncing like a paratroopa. {{unsigned|Goombamaster33}}
:We know that. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
They're named [[Paragoomba]]s and sufficiently covered in that article.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 10:19, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== Split Pumpkinhead Goomba/Jack O' Goomba from the Goomba Page ==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|green|split into jack o' goomba 11-0}}
Currently, the Pumpkinhead Goomba, or known in SMG2, Jack O' Goomba, is merged into the Goomba page, because having unofficial name (creature was then known as just Pumpkin Head) and just be the same as a Goomba with head armor, which could be worn off with just a hit. I say that we should split it (again). Several reason are here to split it:
*We now have an official name for the creature ("Jack O' Goomba"). Two, if you count "Pumpkinhead Goomba" official.
*Eventually, these Goomba sub-species could spit blue fire, while normal Goombas don't.
*The Pumpkinhead Goomba also made appearance in more than one game (a sequel, though).
*Compare Pumpkinhead Goombas with Paragoombas:
**Both have a new ability (Paragoombas could fly. In their debut, they could release Micro-Goombas, while, as a Goomba, not)
**Both have an official name.
**Both become the same creature when hit. And have we merged Paragoomba to Goomba? No.
That's why I want to split Pumpkinhead Goomba/Jack O' Goomba. Only problem is which name we should use. But, who's with me?

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Arend}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' July 24 2010, 03:09

===Support===
#{{User|Arend}} - Per myself
#{{User|KS3}} If Jack-o-goomba is official, then name it Jack-o-goomba. Other then that, Per proposal.
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - It is Jack O' Goomba! I have the guide, and they have appeared in both SMG and SMG2. We have other articles that only have SMG and SMG2 games, such as [[Sentry Beam]], [[Octogoomba]], [[Mandibug]], and many more. Also, [[Midbus]] and [[Blizzard Midbus]] are split, even though they only appear in one game. Of course it diserves an own article.
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} - Per User:Arend
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} Normal Goombas don't have pumpkinheads and make fire. Make a split.
#{{User|Mr bones}} - Per all
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.
#{{user| Tomz123}}- I agree, Jack o` goombas are a sub-species.
#{{User|Supermariofan14}} - I agree. We should change it to Jack-o-Goomba.
#{{User|Superboo922}} - Supporing Jack-o-Goomba. I was shocked when I joined the wiki and found out that Jack-o-Goombas didn't already have a page!
#{{User|Fuzzipede27}} - Per all.

===Oppose===


===Comments===
Tomz123: Those in NSMB for the DS aren't Pumpkinhead Goombas, but [[Splunkin]]s. Those also act very different than those, and neither look like each other. If you want that bar (that vertical line), look for a button left from the Enter button (it contains a | and a \, or a ¦ and a \). Hold Shift and press that button. {{User|Arend}}

{{User|Tomz123}} Thank you really much!!!

==Little Goomba?==

I was reading the first page and I noticed that that they were sometimes called Little Goomba.  When and where were they called that? {{User:Koopayoshi/sig}}
:At least in the [http://replacementdocs.com/download.php?view.3318 SMB manual], the name "Little Goomba" was used. So "Little Goomba" is the original English name. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 18:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


==Super Mario Bros. Manual==

I was reading this article, and noticed something.
I am not sure if this is still cannon, as it is a little silly considering that Goombas now live as a separate, happy, race. But in the Super Mario Bros. manual does it not mention that Goombas are Toads that turned to Bowser's side and where transformed by a wizard or something. Have not read it in a long time, but that is how I remember it. 
Again, considering the stuff we see in Paper Mario etc, it is doubtful this is till cannon. --[[User:THE GMoD|THE GMoD]] 14:13, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

== Another comic ==

Don't Goombas appear in 'The super Mario-kun'? I've read a few pages ( translated obviously ) and Goombas have made appearances.{{unsigned|Supergoomba}}
:Yes they have. This wiki is in serious need of ''[[Super Mario-Kun]]'' information, so it is nice to see someone reading it. [[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 19:00, 18 November 2011 (EST
Great, I'll hop to it then!{{unsigned|Supergoomba}}

== Goombas also Allies? ==
Oh, peeps who saw goombas also being allies? i mean, its true. Goombario, Goombella, Whoes with me? ~~** DaisyPeachForever~~** " Daysy! Peach! Forever!"
==Not sure about FA==
I'm new here, but I just saw your FA review guide, and one of the main rules are to have reliable sources. Based on this article, I can see that there are only 3 sources, which couldn't be fitted in with many statements in the article. I'm asking for another FA review, just to be sure of whether or not the information stated is reliable. [[User:987li|987li]] 08:44, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
*By so, then make a nomination for unfeaturing. --{{User:MarioSmasher/sig}} 08:56, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
== Quote ==
OK, I changed the quote to the TTYD quote b/c it makes more of a reference to their status as "underlings", but UltraMario reverted my edit. Should we use the SM64DS one or the PMTTYD one? {{User:Technickal/sig}}

== Possible conflict ==
"Despite looking like Mushrooms, Goombas were based off chestnuts. This is most evident with the Goombas seen in Super Mario World." Yet we link to an article where Toshihiko Nakago specifically says they're based off shiitake mushrooms. Is it possible they're just named after chestnuts?{{User:Mason/sig}}

== Goomboss quote ==

The quote for this is from Goomboss, shouldn't it be from a Goomba? I mean there are times when it talks like in the Mario Party series {{User|Yoshi876}}

:The quote doesn't always have to be directly spoken by the article subject. But it must be ''relevant''. In this case, the quote gives an insight to the Goomba species.

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 09:46, 3 April 2013 (EDT)

== Brawl Trophy ==

Trophy Description
Goomba - Brawl Trophy.png

Goomba
    A citizen of the Mushroom Kingdom who sided with Bowser when he invaded. Goombas slowly chase after Mario on stubby legs. They're not the toughest creatures and can generally be defeated by jumping on them, which makes them disappear. They have fierce fangs, but they don't seem to serve any purpose. Though a nuisance to Mario, they're decent at baseball and mah-jongg. 
    NES: Super Mario Bros.

Someone add this please!! Here is the link:
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Goomba#Trophy_Description
{{unsigned|GrammarNazi}}

:It's already [[List_of_Goomba_profiles_and_statistics#Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl_Trophy|posted here]].  - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:55, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== TSMBSS Goomba Screenshots ==

Can anybody post screenshots of Goombas from the Super Mario Bros. Super Show? --[[User:LTIan|LTIan]] ([[User talk:LTIan|talk]]) 01:56, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

== Paragoomba ==

Why Paragoombas turn to jump without touching any walls? (example: he was jumping in the right direction and after go into the left? --[[Special:Contributions/109.31.71.43|109.31.71.43]] 11:42, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

== Arm Screencap from the Anime? ==

There's a scene in [[Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]] where the two Goombas are using a switch to activate to attack the Mario bros, during which one of them has a hand coming from his body/stem. As wondering does anyone have a good quality pic of it, or should I take care of it? [[User:Delsait|Delsait]] ([[User talk:Delsait|talk]]) 13:09, 17 September 2016 (EDT)

== Goomba page redundant ==

IT says shiitake 4 times.  use ctrl + f.  way too redundant--[[Special:Contributions/100.40.106.32|100.40.106.32]] 23:27, 9 April 2017 (EDT).
:Only one wasn't really needed as far as I can tell. Thanks for the heads up. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:33, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

== Crinkle Goomba ==

Should a separate article be created for the Paper Goomba who appears as an anti-hero throughout ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]''? His role and personality I think merit him a separate article. Even if he isn't split, this article is lacking in information about him.<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 18:52, 12 September 2017 (EDT)

:Nobody's answering....
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:25, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

::Sorry, if he has a large enough role, he probably should. I haven't played the game in a while, and in fact stopped after the Paper Petey fight, that's why I haven't been answering... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:27, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:::The only problem is he has no official name. The only evidence for the name {{fake link|Crinkle Goomba}} is that he's the pilot of [[Papercraft Megacrinkle Goomba]]. I guess we could just make it conjectural, but I never like doing that.
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 15:48, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
::::[[MarioWiki:Conjectural names]] says it's perfectly fine. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::Created. I placed him in the Bosses category, due to him being the leader of the Super Goomba Super Wheel. I also realized that he, despite what some articles say, does ''not'' pilot the Megacrinkle Goomba Papercraft. In the dungeon, he says ''"It's me! The Goomba you battled '''twice''' back in Sunbeam Plains!"'' That's the first battle of the game and the stack boss. The Papercraft would be a third fight. Also, we need an image for his infobox. Should I just use the sprite for a generic Paper Goomba? It would be nice to have one that shows his crease.
:::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 16:58, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

But wasn't he talking to Paper Mario? He only fought Paper Mario twice [[User:Chat Man|Chat Man]] ([[User talk:Chat Man|talk]]) 21:52, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

== Swim Ring and Skating variants ==
Apparently, the encyclopedia treats then as separate species from the normal Goomba. うきわクリボー Ukiwa Kuribo, and スケートクリボー Skate Kuribo. Should these be split? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:04, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
:I'm not really convinced these should be split. We don't split Goombas when they wear Goomba's Shoes. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:01, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
::[[Talk:Goomba's Shoe#Should we make a separate article for "Shoe Goomba"?|There's talk to]], and in that case it's an actual in-game name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:15, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
:::The Prima guide mostly uses generic/overly-descriptive names for both. However, at one point the Goombas with floaties ''are'' known as "inner tube Goombas". {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 13:47, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
:: You should, since [[Super Mario (form)|Super Mario]] is separate from [[Small Mario]], shoes are power-ups, and [[Cat Goomba]] exists. It's better for consistency in my opinion. [[User:B700465189a9|B700465189a9]] ([[User talk:B700465189a9|talk]]) 10:46, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
:::They need split! I will make a proposal for it! Since this is a back and forth! {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 11:06, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between forms of characters/enemies, and just them using different items. Contrary to your point, we don't have an article for Mario while he's wearing the Goomba's Shoe. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:30, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
I actually disagree. But your move. I'm not gonna get mad about it {{User:MediaVideoEditor856/sig}}
::::They are going back and forth and we are not getting anywhere so it is up to the admins... {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 11:19, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Well anyway... I think they should be split but keep this page as a main hub! {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 13:45, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
::::::@Waluigi Time, then what do you think about the current treatment of the Boo Buddy formations, and the potential Shoe Goomba split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:43, May 7, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::And, what do you think about [[Lakitu in a Pipe]]? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:27, May 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::I thought a bit about it. Maybe it is best to wait Super Mario Maker 2 to see if they are introduced there? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:08, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::The problem is that they are named in the english encyclopedia, which we can't cite. This is why i'd prefer hold off until Super Mario Maker 2. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:36, May 13, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::Well, since they aren't in Super Mario Maker 2, what are we gonna do to them? We split off Shoe Goomba, and now this should be ready to be split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:20, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::Let's have consensus first. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:25, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

==Talk==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|cancelled|<b>I should wait</b>}}
===Split Dem Goombas===
So up there ^ they are going back and forth and we are getting nowhere so this is here to help resolve the issue! 

'''Proposer''': {{User|HEROMARIO}}<br>
'''Deadline''': 4/27/19 at 9:30 A.M. 

====Do Nothing====

====Split Skating and swiming goombas and delete them off of here====

====Turn this page into a disambuligation page and make a page for everything====

====Make a page for everything but keep this as a main hub====
#{{User|HEROMARIO}}: This seems to be the best one!

====Comments====
Ummm... Shouldn't we have waited for more agreements to be made before making a proposals? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:55, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
:Maybe but up there is just a argument and it will turn into a <b>Argumentative full out WAR ZONE!!!</b> so I am fixing it {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 11:57, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
::IMO, it should be "Split all", "Just split the Ice Skate variant", "Just split the swim-ring variant", and "Don't split anything". --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:00, April 20, 2019 (EDT)

You ''really'' need to let discussions play out instead of trying to rush proposals. The discussion's only been going for about a day, only a few users have given their opinion, and there's no argument whatsoever. Keep in mind that proposals aren't always necessary; for example, the suggested Flutter/Wiggler merge, which was resolved without the need for a proposal as a result of overwhelming opposition towards the idea. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:24, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
::::You are right! {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 13:43, April 20, 2019 (EDT)

I think that since the goombas act and look different, and have different names, they should be split, into both the tube-boy goombas and the skate-boy goombas. -Yeetus

== Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants from this article ==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-0|split}}
Regarding the above discussion, it's about those in Super Mario 3D World. They have different Japanese names, and functions. One is a chillin' Goomba on a spiked white swim-ring with red stripes, and the other is on an [[Ice Skate]]. They're clearly subspecies, and ''not'' just Goomba wearing a swim-ring and/or an Ice Skate. Depending on the consensus, i will vote for support if it will pass. They are named in the encyclopedia: Skate Goomba and Innertube Goomba, but since we can't cite the encyclopedia, we'd have to use identifiers. For consistency with [[Goomba's Shoe]] and [[Shoe Goomba]]. Additionally, if this proposal fails, we'll have to revisit the Goomba's Shoe and Shoe Goomba for consistency.

'''Proposer:'''{{User|FanOfYoshi}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' August, 17, 2019, 23:59 GMT
===Support===
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per proposal.
#{{User|TheDarkStar}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Per proposal. Since [[Shoe Goomba]] is split, this would add more consistency.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} I'm inclined to support my own proposal, since no one else has voted yet.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.

===Oppose===
===Comments===
They were just referred to as Goombas in the Prima guide. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:21, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
:Additionally, are there a few instances of Skate Goombas being apart from the Ice Skate, so that they don't get merged with the Ice Skate? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:23, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
::For future reference, the Swim Ring ones's Japanese name is Ukiwa Kuribo, while the Ice Skate ones's Japanese name is Skate Kuribo. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:16, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
:::Do the Swim Ring one have an attack and/or can be woke up? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 15:06, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
::::They wake up when the player gets close, and swim toward them. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 17:03, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
:::::I see. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 16:20, August 6, 2019 (EDT)
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 == Split Pumpkinhead Goomba/Jack O' Goomba from the Goomba Page ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
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-{{Proposal outcome|green|split into jack o' goomba 11-0}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|green|split into jack o' goomba 11-0}}
 Currently, the Pumpkinhead Goomba, or known in SMG2, Jack O' Goomba, is merged into the Goomba page, because having unofficial name (creature was then known as just Pumpkin Head) and just be the same as a Goomba with head armor, which could be worn off with just a hit. I say that we should split it (again). Several reason are here to split it:
 *We now have an official name for the creature ("Jack O' Goomba"). Two, if you count "Pumpkinhead Goomba" official.
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 == Possible conflict ==
-"Despite looking like Mushrooms, Goombas were based off chestnuts. This is most evident with the Goombas seen in Super Mario World." Yet we link to an article where Toshihiko Nakago specifically says they're based off shiitake mushrooms. Is it possible they're just named after chestnuts?{{User:Puddin/sig}}
+"Despite looking like Mushrooms, Goombas were based off chestnuts. This is most evident with the Goombas seen in Super Mario World." Yet we link to an article where Toshihiko Nakago specifically says they're based off shiitake mushrooms. Is it possible they're just named after chestnuts?{{User:Mason/sig}}
 == Goomboss quote ==
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 ==Talk==
-{{Settled TPP}}
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-{{Proposal outcome|cancelled|<b>I should wait</b>}}
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 ===Split Dem Goombas===
 So up there ^ they are going back and forth and we are getting nowhere so this is here to help resolve the issue!
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 == Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants from this article ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
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-{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-0|split}}
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 Regarding the above discussion, it's about those in Super Mario 3D World. They have different Japanese names, and functions. One is a chillin' Goomba on a spiked white swim-ring with red stripes, and the other is on an [[Ice Skate]]. They're clearly subspecies, and ''not'' just Goomba wearing a swim-ring and/or an Ice Skate. Depending on the consensus, i will vote for support if it will pass. They are named in the encyclopedia: Skate Goomba and Innertube Goomba, but since we can't cite the encyclopedia, we'd have to use identifiers. For consistency with [[Goomba's Shoe]] and [[Shoe Goomba]]. Additionally, if this proposal fails, we'll have to revisit the Goomba's Shoe and Shoe Goomba for consistency.
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 ::::They wake up when the player gets close, and swim toward them. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 17:03, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
 :::::I see. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 16:20, August 6, 2019 (EDT)
-== Etymology ==
-In the etymology section, it states that they are named after chestnuts because they "look more like chestnuts than shitake mushrooms." I think it's more likely just to be a reference to their color. There is a type of brown mushroom called Chestnut Mushrooms that look closer in shape to Goombas than the wide, flat tops of a shitake. They are called "kuribo kinoko" in Japanese, and are cultivated and eaten in Japan. --[[Special:Contributions/157.21.14.65|157.21.14.65]] 12:50, September 2, 2021 (EDT)
-== Are Goombas Mushrooms? ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|no quorum|0-0}}
-As I know from a fan base, Goombas are like mutant mushrooms. This makes me think that Goombas are Mushrooms. I want to know if this is true, because there were no instances in which any Goomba is called a Mushroom on purpose. I am holding a debate to decide whether or not this article should state that goombas are related to Mushrooms. Some reasons are:
-* Goombas look like mushrooms with feet.
-* Mushrooms have a round shape, like Goombas.
-* [[Koopa Troopa]]s can be called turtles because they look like turtles.
-* Only [[Rotten Mushroom]]s and [[Zombie Mushroom]]s are technically mutant mushrooms, and it’s almost Halloween, so why not Goombas?
-'''Proposer:''' [[User:OhoJeeOnFire|OhoJeeOnFire]] ([[User talk:OhoJeeOnFire|talk]])<br>
-'''Deadline:''' October 22, 2021, 23:59 GMT
-=== Support ===
-=== Oppose ===
-=== Comments ===
-…Why does this need a proposal?
-Why is the deadline in the Comments section?
-What exactly do those points mean?
-My head hurts from looking at this. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 17:05, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
-:The article already says that Goombas resemble Shiitake mushrooms, which I think is good enough. This proposal honestly doesn't make much sense to me. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:28, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
-::I wanted to see if Goombas can be considered mushrooms, for I was going to make a Halloween picture of a Goomba.
-—-[[User:OhoJeeOnFire|OhoJeeOnFire]] ([[User talk:OhoJeeOnFire|talk]]) 18:44, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
-:::Now I'm even more confused. When you say "mushroom," do you mean the generic group of organisms or the item? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:56, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
-::::The item
-—-[[User:OhoJeeOnFire|OhoJeeOnFire]] ([[User talk:OhoJeeOnFire|talk]]) 18:59, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::Proposals are not the sort of matter to help decide on non-wiki-related stuff. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 19:03, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::'''''Technically''''' speaking, the original sprite of Goomba in SMB is a quick edit of the item's sprite they made when they decided Troopas were too complex for a "most basic" enemy. That's pretty much the only link, though. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:12, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
-== Cursed Goomba? ==
-I heard of the cursed goomba meme on YouTube. This is a gif that shows it.
-[[File:Cursed Goomba.gif|150px]]
-Should this be added to the article? I personally don’t think so but I want to know what you think. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
-:...No, it's a meme, it's not from a Mario game. So no. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 20:13, November 4, 2021 (EDT)
-::Fan content doesn't belong here. If anything, it would be covered on [[List of Mario references on the Internet]], but it doesn't seem very noteworthy. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:14, November 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:::Well… I could make a section about the YouTuber and this goomba in the Mario References on the internet page, under YouTube, but I don’t know if it is acceptable. Is it? —-{{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}} 10:27, November 5, 2021 (EDT)
-::::The internet is filled to the brim with this sort of thing, so I don't think it should be mentioned there either. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 19:15, November 5, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::I see… thanks for your time. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
-::::::One more thing: could I just add it to the article with a simple summary? I need to clear my amount of personal images and I don’t want to delete any. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
-:::::::You've already been told it's not worth covering on either article, so no. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:02, November 18, 2021 (EST)
-== Goomba Variant/Relative Ontological Issue ==
-There seems to be a sort of inconsistency/irrationality to the way the wiki classifies species that are similar to and/or derived from goombas. I find it very strange that beanies and shrooblets are classified as being "variants" of goombas (despite not being chestnut/mushrooms physically and instead being beans & aliens respectively), while galoombas (which were retroactively renamed and deemed distinct and were originally just the goombas of SMW) are considered to be mere "relatives" of goombas. The principle I see cited in most of these discussions pertaining to these sort of classifications (for example rocky wrenches being either koopas or monty moles) is that if an enemy/species is spiritually/conceptually derived from a more established and older one, then the former can be considered to be a variant of the latter. If this were consistently applied, galoombas, strollin' stus, and wanderin' gooms should definitely be considered to be types of goombas. {{unsigned|Ladishchap}}
-:The reason Galoomba is only a relative and not a variant is because newer games have explicitly stated they're two different-yet-related things ([https://www.mariowiki.com/Galoomba#Mario_Party:_Star_Rush_2 "A Goomba-like foe that is not a Goomba."]). Strollin' Stu is more of a conceptual derivative of Goomba via things like Kug, so I'd agree to consider that a variant. Wanderin' Goom I think is best left as is, as it looks more like a Galoomba and doesn't exactly function like either (as in it doesn't attack and gets defeated in one hit). And we considered [[Shrooblet]] to be a goomba because...what else could it possibly be other than a shroobified goomba? Even if it's not exactly a brown mushroom with dark brown shoes, [[Porcupuffer|enemies don't]] [[Octoomba|always have]] [[Lantern Ghost|to be]] [[Fishin' Boo|the same species]] [[Piranha Sprout|or have]] [[Cataquack|similar designs]] to be variants or relatives. But Galoomba was explicitly stated to not be a goomba in later games, so it's not a goomba variant but rather a relative. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 08:54, May 13, 2022 (EDT)
-::Does "A is a variant of B" mean "A is based on B" or "A is a B"? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 18:30, May 13, 2022 (EDT)
-:::Both. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 18:36, May 13, 2022 (EDT)
-== New Goomba voices in Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope? ==
-This might be a goofy question, but is this the first Mario game to have new voices for Goombas? I don't recall any Mario game that I’ve played that had these voices for Goombas. They don’t sound like they did in Mario Party 8, for example. If this is new for them, should it be mentioned on the article? [[User:Mason Popovich]] December 15, 2022. 17:05 (EST)
-:This is the only time I've heard these voice clips (I have no idea how they sound in Mario Party 8), so I think it's worth mentioning in the section that Goombas have new voice clips for this game. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:20, December 15, 2022 (EST)
-Okay. I’ll add this in the ''Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope'' section for Goombas. Thank you. [[User:Mason Popovich]] December 15, 17:23 (EST)
-== History Section ==
-Anyone think the history section is far too long? {{User:Mushroom Head/sig}} 10:21, July 25, 2023 (EDT)
-:This is a late response but we should first attempt to trim words down if they're too wordy and also cut down on images. To trim words, we should look at maybe plot synopses of Mario RPG games, for instance. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:56, December 2, 2023 (EST)
-== What's happening!? ==
-What's going on!? Burbos and Gamboos are one thing but why are galoombas, Octoombas and Goombrats relatives of goomba's when they're supposed to be variants/derived subjects someone please explain to me what's going on!? who did this!? [[Special:Contributions/148.252.128.107|148.252.128.107]] 16:04, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
-:I implore you to read some official profiles we have on [[Galoomba#Profiles and statistics|Galoomba]]. The ''[[Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia|Perfect Ban Mario Character Daijiten]]'' states that these enemies are ''relatives'' of Goomba (thus, not variants/derived subjects); furthermore, the [[Character Museum]] profile for Galoomba in ''[[Mario Party: Star Rush]]'' clearly states that Galoombas are NOT Goombas, meaning that they cannot be variants of Goombas at all. Moving over to [[Goombrat#Profiles and statistics|Goombrat]], the description for the Goombrat Statue in ''[[Super Mario Run]]'' states that "Nobody is quite sure of their exact relation to Goombas" (so if anything, calling them even "relatives" might be a stretch; they're definitely not variants of Goomba, that's for sure). All that remains is Octoomba, who you may quite notice doesn't look much like a Goomba compared to Galoombas and Goombrats; it's a Goomba-shaped space octopus more in common with [[Octoguy]], [[Rocto]] and their leaders [[King Kaliente]] and [[Prince Pikante]]; so by logical deduction, these shouldn't be regarded as variants of Goombas either.<br>Also, "Derived subjects" was to be a counterpart to "Subject origin", which has been discontinued per a passed proposal, due to frequent misuse and general confusion (Subject origin was supposed to be the real-life inspiration for something, but fictional ''Mario'' critters gradually began taking that spot too); so, I moved the remaining subjects [[Beanie]] and [[Strollin' Stu]] to "Relatives" as well. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:21, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
-::What even is a variant then? Because I'm still not sure what criteria are being used. If Goombrats aren't a variant of Goombas, are Shymores one of Shy Guys? Sharpeas? Toothys? And why? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:55, August 13, 2024 (EDT)
-== Goomba ==
-Now, this isn't contributing or anything, but do the admins have archived the removed pages? It's just that I wanted to see the [[Super Mario Bros. (film)|SMB movie]] article for goombas. [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 08:48, November 11, 2024 (EST)
-:You may see it [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Goomba_(film_species)&diff=4253672&oldid=4216685 here] on the page's history. That's why I prefer merged pages be redirected rather than deleted outright. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:08, November 11, 2024 (EST)
-::Thank you. [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 13:16, November 11, 2024 (EST)