Editing Talk:Goomba

{{FATALK}}
{{PAIRreview
|A-rating=3.5
|A-comment=It's a good, accurate article, but sometimes it screws up. Like when it says Yoshi saved Mario in Super Mario 64, when in fact it happened in its remake, Super Mario 64 DS.
|D-rating=3.0
|D-comment=Again, it has some depth, but some sections, like New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Paper Mario, really could be more in-depth.
|G-rating=3.5
|G-comment=Grammatical errors are few, yet they do make an appearance every now and then.
|I-rating=2.0
|I-comment=Normally, the problem with articles is that there's too many images, but here, there's not enough images. The Lost Levels, Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, the Super Mario Land series, the Nintendo comics, Super Mario Adventures, Club Nintendo, the Mario Party series, the Smash Bros. series and Bowser's Inside Story are all missing images.
|F-rating=3.5
|F-comment=Like lots of articles, the Paper Mario templates leave a big blank, which is annoying. Also, the infobox at the beginning stretches the page, when it could be removed by adding <nowiki>|expand=expandable</nowiki> so easily.
|FR-comment= This article is hit and miss. It's lacking in depth, lots of images could be added and the formatiing could use a fix-up.
|signature={{User:Reversinator/sig}}}}

'''Bio''': "Though Goombas once lived in peace in the Mushroom Kingdom, they betrayed their homeland to side with Bowser. Exactly how Goomba uses his baseball gear is a bit of a mystery. Maybe you can spot the secret technique if you watch closely as he makes plays in the field..." 

About that last part has anynoe seen closely what their secret is? Is it their mouth? All I remember was that the bat was floating 0_o! <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

Goombas are psychic, like me!-Informant A.K.A. KP Shadow
==Goomba Template==
Could somebody please make a Template for Goombas, it is to complicated for me. [[User:YoshiFan|YoshiFan]] 18:26, 4 February 2007 (EST) [[User:YoshiFan|A fan of Yoshis and Goombas]]

I will! -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Could anyone give me a list of the games Goombas '''haven't''' appeared in?{{User:HK-47/sig}}

==Possible Relatives==
I wonder why it says that Squiglets are relatives to goombas,mean goombas appear in [[Super Paper Mario]]. {{User:Lario/sig}}

== Round and mushroom Goombas ==

Im mario party advance i saw both regular and round goombas, are them the same or separated species?
{{User:AndreZoio/sig}}
:They go by the same name. There can be different varieties even when they're the same species. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:36, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

They're subspecies.  I also read on Wikipedia that the round Goombas have a different name from the mushroom Goombas in Japan.  Also The round Goombas look more like the mushroom Goombas in Super Mario Galaxy.  In that game there's only three small differences, round Goombas are smaller, have proportionately smaller stems, and have rounded heads-Informant A.K.A. KP Shadow

Not to mention they can be killed with a single spin, and are more grey. They're the best ones! [[User:Jakeyboy01|Jakeyboy01]] 16:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:Well, if we have separate articles for characters who have the same name in Japanese games but different ones in English games, I suppose the opposite would be true and we'd have an article on Roud Goombas. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

::We should. They seem to be the same species as from Mario Land and the Maio World games. {{unsigned|Jakeyboy01}}

The round ones yield coins even when you spin them. But when you get them with a Star Bit, they turn dizzy like normal goombas. (I used to call them "Gooms"...) [[User:Big-bang|Big-bang]]

I always thought the Goomba's were the same sprites as mushrooms recolored and with added feet.
That theory is supported by the fact that the mushrooms got rounder in SMW too.
So my theory is that the Goomba's got rounder just to save work by making less sprites.
[[User:FeyBart]]
:Mushrooms in SMW aren't much "rounder" than they already were in SMB3. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Battle of Mushroom WORLD? ==

Do you think that that's a good title for the 3rd part of the article? I think not. -[[User:WackyWario2]]
:The [[Mushroom World]] is the setting of [[Super Mario Bros. 3]]. What should be wrong with the title? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:38, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I think you may be wrong. Cuz I think that Mario 3 happened in the Mushroom KINGDOM. Not the entire WORLD. [[User:Lemmy Koopa Fan]]

It says in the handbook AND the page can't u read the actual article before saying something's wrong???[[File:Green_lightsaber.jpg|35px]][[User: CatJedi|CatJedi's been here....]][[User talk:CatJedi|..]] [http://whiskerpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whiskerpedia_Wiki Are you seeing double? Are you seeing double?] [[File:Jedikirby_2.gif|35px|I'm trying to slice CatJedi's sig!]]

== May the Force be with you, Goomba ==

How do Goombas hold baseball bats? Do they use the Force or telekinesis? {{unsigned|Georgedrake Z}}
:... That is... *ahem* a very good question. 


A wizard did it! --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 16:32, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
:Obviously that cucumber from Vegitales is behind it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:25, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

So, Blitzwing, ur sayin th@ it's basically Kamek doing the batting for it??? All the lazy Goomba has to do is run to the posts around the field on its stumpy feet then! But then i guess the running is hard work because the thing has not legs. & wh@ the hel is Vegitales?  Its not even on Wikipedia!!!

Oh yeah...duz that mean th@ sum Magikoopa scrolls thru Goombella's book 4 her in PM2 1000 Yr Door? [[User: Georegdrake Z]]

Wait a minute, what if Kamek wasn't anywhere on the field or the stands, but Goomba was playing? It could be a ghost... and it couldn't be the Boos. --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 12:05, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

:Spelling error, sir.  I meant, "Vegetales," a TV show in which sentient vegetables re-enact Bible stories... I'm not kidding.  Anyway, they have no arms so they make things float like Goomba.  Regardless, let's move this discussion to the forum, yes? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:35, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Right...anyway, I wanna talk about Magikoopa/Goomba baseball teams! Go the super combination! Oh, a thought...imagine if a Goomba was in M& S @ the Olympic Games. Thinking of a Goomba doing Archery and Fencing makes my head hurt. And Goomba Gymnastics...hahahahaha!
[[User: Georgedrake Z]]

If Paragoomba in Mario Super Sluggers has wings... Why doesn't he just use his wings? Just saying.
Also, He could drive with those wings, so he 
will be able to be in Mario Kart some day. :P ALSO... I loved both of the Goomba's voices in Sluggers... [[User: GoombaWithArms]]

== Goomba vs. Goomba ==

<nowiki>In "Goomba vs. Goomba", it says Goomboss returned. But wasn't that the first game he appeared in? And if Goombas  are so vulnerable, could Mario rip them in half? I mean, they are paper. Plus, hearing "RRRRIPPP" might even be more satisfying than the usual "Brdonk!" sound effect. (How does Goomba put on his spikey hat???)</nowiki> {{unsigned|Big-bang}}

Kamek does it for him. Or maybe Goomba used the Force like any 'armless Jedi (geddit??? 'Armless?) - Georgedrake Z

Enough about Kamek! He probably has a billion impaired minions at his house according to you guys!!! [[User:Big-bang|Big-bang]] 16:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:To answer your questions, Goomboss's first appearance was in ''[[Paper Mario]]''.  He later appeared in ''[[Super Mario 64 DS]]'', and many fans have speculated that the events of that game, overwriting the original ''[[Super Mario 64]]'', means that Goomboss's first chronological appearance was ''Super Mario 64 DS''.  However, this is speculation and doesn't have a place in our articles, but rather on our forums (you should get an account if you're interested in theories and such, by the way).  What the article should say is that he first appeared in ''Paper Mario'' and later in ''Super Mario 64 DS''.  For our purposes here we don't need to get into the nitty gritty details about whether or not ''Super Mario 64 DS'' did happen in place of ''SM64''.  As for the second question, Mario could not rip enemies in half in ''Paper Mario''.  The "paper" motif was simply an art style.  However, in later installments of the ''[[Paper Mario (series)|Paper Mario]]'' series, the "paper" concept was used in interesting ways (turning sideways, etc.). {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Quote ==

I don't think the current quote really reflects Goombas' personality... anybody know any better quotes? [[User:Big-bang|Big-bang]] 18:40, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
:If Goombas talked in ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'', I'd suggest using a quote from there (it's worked for [[Peach]] and [[Bowser]] so far... maybe it'll work for Goomba).  I could also see using the ''Paper Mario'' tattles. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:32, 11 November 2008 (EST)
{{quote|The Goombas have lost...Again?! Is this our destiny?! To be trampled by oppressive feet for all eternity? No, we will definitely triumph next time! The Goombas' fate is not defeat, but perseverance!|Goomboss|Super Mario 64 DS}}
:This used to be the main quote ([http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Goomba&diff=121815&oldid=119533 credit to Blitzwing for finding it]). Would anyone object to making it the main quote again? It describes Goombas a lot better than the current quote does. --{{User:KPH2293/Signature}} 12:16, 17 April 2009 (EDT)


== Life-Span ==

I first heard the idea that Goombas had a shorter life-span than a human from a fanfiction by legendary Mario fanfiction authoress Chicken Miasma. At first, I disagreed due to lack of evidence, though the concept of a sentient race with a shorter life-span than a human (as opposed to longer, as is commonly seen in fantasy and sci-fi) was a concept I had dabbled in in a few of my original stories, and was thus familiar with.

However, just a few days ago I picked up my old [[Paper Mario]] N64 cartridge. Luckily, both cartridge, console, and controller were functional due to care of storage and usage.

Naturally, I was doing old [[Koopa Koot's Favors|Koopa Koot's Errands]] between chapters. And as is characteristic of old [[Koopa Koot]], he is full of colorful saying. I payed them no mind at first, but one caught my notice...

I had reached the part of the game after Chapter 4, and I got around to doing that round of errands for Koopa Koot. Took care of the noisy Bob-ombs? Check. Got the old photo from the Boos (and was surprised it wasn't in black and white)? Check. But then I came upon the reqest for some [[Koopasta Dish|Koopasta]]. Koopa Koot opened with saying:
"I really haven't had a tasty meal in a Goomba's age."

Notice the saying. It is an obvious play on the old yet colorful phrase "I haven't done so-and-so in a dog's age". It is used to signify what feels like a very long time without mentioning exact time. Naturally, this saying is named so because dogs have a much shorter life-span than Humans.

So this got me wondering... If "Goomba" is used in place of "dog" in this phrase, does this mean that Goombas have a much shorter life-span than Humans? Or, possibly, shorter than a Koopa Troopa's life-span?

I doubt that a Goomba only lives about fourteen years like a domestic canine, but it is possibly short enough to be significant in comparison to other Mushroom World races.

Thoughts? Theories?

--[[User:Cyberweasel89|Cyberweasel89]] 13:29, 11 January 2010 (EST)

It's an interesting observation you have there. It could just be a play on words, but on the same time it could mean that a Goomba has a shorter lifespan. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

Well, maybe it is a reference to the fact that most Goombas are killed by someone very quickly, so their average lifespan has functionally been reduced by the Mario Brothers. {{User|4DJONG}}

== flying goombas? ==

there is actually flying goombas theres proof in one level in new super mario bros ds there are about 5 goombas with wings bouncing like a paratroopa. {{unsigned|Goombamaster33}}
:We know that. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
They're named [[Paragoomba]]s and sufficiently covered in that article.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 10:19, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== Split Pumpkinhead Goomba/Jack O' Goomba from the Goomba Page ==
{{SettledTPP}}

<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">Split into Jack O' Goomba 11-0</span>

Currently, the Pumpkinhead Goomba, or known in SMG2, Jack O' Goomba, is merged into the Goomba page, because having unofficial name (creature was then known as just Pumpkin Head) and just be the same as a Goomba with head armor, which could be worn off with just a hit. I say that we should split it (again). Several reason are here to split it:
*We now have an official name for the creature ("Jack O' Goomba"). Two, if you count "Pumpkinhead Goomba" official.
*Eventually, these Goomba sub-species could spit blue fire, while normal Goombas don't.
*The Pumpkinhead Goomba also made appearance in more than one game (a sequel, though).
*Compare Pumpkinhead Goombas with Paragoombas:
**Both have a new ability (Paragoombas could fly. In their debut, they could release Micro-Goombas, while, as a Goomba, not)
**Both have an official name.
**Both become the same creature when hit. And have we merged Paragoomba to Goomba? No.
That's why I want to split Pumpkinhead Goomba/Jack O' Goomba. Only problem is which name we should use. But, who's with me?

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Arend}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' July 24 2010, 03:09

===Support===
#{{User|Arend}} - Per myself
#{{User|KS3}} If Jack-o-goomba is official, then name it Jack-o-goomba. Other then that, Per proposal.
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - It is Jack O' Goomba! I have the guide, and they have appeared in both SMG and SMG2. We have other articles that only have SMG and SMG2 games, such as [[Sentry Beam]], [[Octogoomba]], [[Mandibug]], and many more. Also, [[Midbus]] and [[Blizzard Midbus]] are split, even though they only appear in one game. Of course it diserves an own article.
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} - Per User:Arend
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} Normal Goombas don't have pumpkinheads and make fire. Make a split.
#{{User|Mr bones}} - Per all
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.
#{{user| Tomz123}}- I agree, Jack o` goombas are a sub-species.
#{{User|Supermariofan14}} - I agree. We should change it to Jack-o-Goomba.
#{{User|Superboo922}} - Supporing Jack-o-Goomba. I was shocked when I joined the wiki and found out that Jack-o-Goombas didn't already have a page!
#{{User|Fuzzipede27}} - Per all.

===Oppose===


===Comments===
Tomz123: Those in NSMB for the DS aren't Pumpkinhead Goombas, but [[Splunkin]]s. Those also act very different than those, and neither look like each other. If you want that bar (that vertical line), look for a button left from the Enter button (it contains a | and a \, or a ¦ and a \). Hold Shift and press that button. {{User|Arend}}

{{User|Tomz123}} Thank you really much!!!

==Little Goomba?==

I was reading the first page and I noticed that that they were sometimes called Little Goomba.  When and where were they called that? {{User:Koopayoshi/sig}}
:At least in the [http://replacementdocs.com/download.php?view.3318 SMB manual], the name "Little Goomba" was used. So "Little Goomba" is the original English name. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 18:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


==Super Mario Bros. Manual==

I was reading this article, and noticed something.
I am not sure if this is still cannon, as it is a little silly considering that Goombas now live as a separate, happy, race. But in the Super Mario Bros. manual does it not mention that Goombas are Toads that turned to Bowser's side and where transformed by a wizard or something. Have not read it in a long time, but that is how I remember it. 
Again, considering the stuff we see in Paper Mario etc, it is doubtful this is till cannon. --[[User:THE GMoD|THE GMoD]] 14:13, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

== Another comic ==

Don't Goombas appear in 'The super Mario-kun'? I've read a few pages ( translated obviously ) and Goombas have made appearances.{{unsigned|Supergoomba}}
:Yes they have. This wiki is in serious need of ''[[Super Mario-Kun]]'' information, so it is nice to see someone reading it. [[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 19:00, 18 November 2011 (EST
Great, I'll hop to it then!{{unsigned|Supergoomba}}

== Why can't goombas use Mario powerups? ==

Why doesn't Nintendo allow them to be able to use a fire flower or a star? How can they use Tanooki Leaves?[[User:SuperPaperFan|SuperPaperFan]] 14:11, 6 December 2011 (EST)
:This kind of conversation belongs to the forums. [[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 19:35, 6 December 2011 (EST)


== Goombas also Allies? ==
Oh, peeps who saw goombas also being allies? i mean, its true. Goombario, Goombella, Whoes with me? ~~** DaisyPeachForever~~** " Daysy! Peach! Forever!"
==Not sure about FA==
I'm new here, but I just saw your FA review guide, and one of the main rules are to have reliable sources. Based on this article, I can see that there are only 3 sources, which couldn't be fitted in with many statements in the article. I'm asking for another FA review, just to be sure of whether or not the information stated is reliable. [[User:987li|987li]] 08:44, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
*By so, then make a nomination for unfeaturing. --{{User:MarioSmasher/sig}} 08:56, 13 April 2012 (EDT)