Editing Talk:Goomba's Shoe

==Goomba's Shoe==

Where was the name "Goomba's Shoe" first used in a game? {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:According to [http://themushroomkingdom.net/games/smb3 TMK], it was already used in the later NES releases of SMB3, which also changed all the original world names to "... Land." The names of the Shoe and worlds were [http://themushroomkingdom.net/smb3_nes2smas.shtml all reverted back] in ''Super Mario All-Stars'', but in the latest SMB3 remake for the GBA, Kuribo's Shoe was [http://themushroomkingdom.net/smb3_snes2sma.shtml changed once again] to Goomba's Shoe. However, the (more creative) original names of the worlds [http://themushroomkingdom.net/smb3_snes2sma_end.shtml were kept], only "Castle of Koopa" became "Bowser's Castle." Judging by this, I think we should also use the other world names for the articles rather than "... Land" for every world. Can be discussed [[Talk:Super Mario Bros. 3#Worlds|here]]. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 08:43, 19 April 2010 (EDT)

== Appearance in SMA4 e-level ==

Should the appearance in SMA4's e-level be noted? The problem I see is that it wasn't officially released. You can download all the e-reader levels from various places, but since they weren't actually sold, should it be on the site? The level is called Castle a Go-Go. [[User:Avengah|Avengah]] 12:27, 29 December 2010 (EST)
:Actually, never mind. I see it was in the article, but it wasn't clear so I just clarified it a little. [[User:Avengah|Avengah]] 07:15, 17 January 2011 (EST)

===Rename to '''Kuribo's Shoe'''===

I think it should be moved to this because thats the name in the game. {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

:I think the policy says you use the latest released name and in the remake of Super Mario Bros. 3 it's called the Goomba's Shoe there was a proposal about chaining the name [[http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_17#Change_Goomba.27s_Shoe_to_Kuribo.27s_Shoe]] but it failed to pass {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

But a new game just came out.[[Super Mario All Stars 25th Anniversary Edition]].Whats it called in that? {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

Alright i got in touch with a friend who owns the game and he says they call it the Kuribo's Shoe in the manuel{{unsigned|Marshal Dan Troop}}

...*couch* Yes, so it's Kuribo's Shoe in the latest release, meaning we can all go back to calling it that now. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 13:48, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
I will rename this article to Kuribo's Shoe,and NOW! [[User:Kelton2|Kelton2 Supermariofan I GOTTA PEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! User: Kelton2!!!]] 11:57, 4 April 2012 (EDT) 11:57, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

:It was called Kuribo's Shoe in the Wii version of SMAS because that was a untouched port of the original SMAS just like VC games, not because Nintendo decided to revert back to that name. There's no damn reason to go back to calling it Kuribo's Shoe, especially knowing that it's a mistranslation and Goomba's Shoe is not only more accurate, but also the name preferred by Nintendo. I don't see people referring to Final Fantasy III and VI as Final Fantasy II and III respectively just because that's what they were called in their VC re-releases. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 22:34, 31 December 2012 (EST)

::I'd argue that it was a conscious decision, actually. Considering that the manual was touched up considerably from the SNES release (for example, they retranslated the story sections), I'd say Nintendo certainly had the ability to correct it to the name the localization branch supposedly wanted - they finally changed "Mushroom Retainers" to Toads, after all, and made the item names uniform. Just because it's unchanged doesn't mean it's "wrong". [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== power up ==

is this technically a power up? although the power up song doesn't sound, it acts like ine, giving mario abilities, and losing it by getting hit when walking into a spiny, goomba, etc.
[[User:Boowhoplaysgames]]

:Yes its called one in the original manuel i belive {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

== TPP ==

[[User:Technickal|Technickal]] posted a comment [[Talk:Flagpole|here]] about the possibility of renaming the article. I think someone should create a TPP about this. (Not me, because I already have 3 proposals going on.) Personally, I think we should wait for Sticker Star, and see what it is named in that game, because we could rename the article and three months later, have it all be invalid because it was Goomba's Shoe in PMSS. I think if a TPP was created we should have three options, 1. Rename it Kuribo's Shoe 2. Keep it as Goomba's Shoe 3. Wait, and see what it is called in Sticker Star. That's just my opinion, and we should see how this debate turns out. {{User:Koopa K/sig}} September 2, 2012 15:00 (EDT)

:There isn't anything to discuss. Kuribo's Shoe is the Japanese name and the MarioWiki doesn't allow Japanese names to take over English ones (unless of course there was no English name to begin with such as a few Mario games). A similar TPP was to do with renaming [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)]] to Boss Boo (his Japanese name). It remained to be called King Boo since MarioWiki only wants English names where possible. So no renaming of this type will happen. Anyway, a redirect is good enough. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 15:09, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's no rule about having more than three proposals running at one time, that's for featured article nominations. {{User:Master R.O.B/sig}}
:::'''@Jordan''' It isn't just the Japanese name, it was the english name in SMB3 and Super Mario All-Stars 25th Anniversary edition. It was a major topic of discussion above. '''@Master R.O.B.''' I know, but I personally don't want a big chunk of proposals proposed by me at one time. {{User:Koopa K/sig}}
::::Actually we've already had a proposal about this [[http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_17#Change_Goomba.27s_Shoe_to_Kuribo.27s_Shoe]. {{User|Raven Effect}}
::::::Wasn't that before Super Mario All-Stars 25th Anniversary Edition though? {{User:Koopa K/sig}}
:::::::Probably. {{User|Raven Effect}}
::::::::Oh, wait, Technickal was just making his point clearer. {{User:Koopa K/sig}}

==Image==
The image in the Infobox is a Flashy Clone Jump the true Super Boot is [[File:SuperbootPMSS.png|this]] --[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 07:19, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

==Super Mario Maker==
It would be a worthful note that if Mario uses Giant Stiletto, it can break blocks that Giant Goomba's Shoe can not. Also, it can glide similar to Yoshi by attaching Wings on both Big and Small of either Shoe. {{unsigned|Kevinkeene}}

==Should we make a separate article for "Shoe Goomba"?==
{{talk}}
Normally I would be against creating multiple articles about (imo) basically the same thing, but I don't see this as such. In this case, Goomba's Shoe is an item, while Shoe Goomba, which is named so in ''Super Mario Maker'', refers to an enemy riding the said item. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 12:56, 17 September 2015 (EDT)
:I support a separate Shoe Goomba article.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 00:06, 21 November 2018 (EST)
::I can't remember the warbling voice saying that. But yeah, I'd support it, particularly since it got its own section in the old Perfect Daijiten. Old English source called it "Kuribo's Goomba," as redundant as that seems. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:49, 21 November 2018 (EST)
:::Do we need to propose a split? We should also start collecting names in other languages if gets split.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 03:49, 25 November 2018 (EST)
::::This doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would require a proposal, to be honest, given they're different subjects from within the same games. Still, maybe some more input should be given to this conversation. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:14, 25 November 2018 (EST)
:::::Late reply, but [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW9lDIhJukk the warbled voice indeed says "Shoe Goomba"]. "Stiletto Goomba" is also there. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 12:09, April 16, 2019 (EDT)
::::::It's possibly an alternate name. What do we do about Stiletto Goomba? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:37, April 16, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::And IMO, it's like splitting hairs. What's the Japanese name? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:25, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::「クツクリボー」 (''Kutsu Kuribō'', Shoe Goomba) on page 36 of ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:11, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::Then, if it's on a separate entry, i'd support it. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:21, May 3, 2019 (EDT)

== Split Shoe Goomba and/or Stiletto Goomba from this page ==

{{TPP}}
Those 3 things are likely different things. Goomba/Kuribo('s) Shoe specifically refers to the item, while Shoe Goomba refers to the enemy. The Goomba's Shoe's Japanese name is Kuribo no Kutsu, while the Shoe Goomba is Kutsu Kuribo. The Stiletto Goomba is a different thing, as it refers to a different type of shoe. When wings are given to it, when the player uses it, it makes a woman's laugh. Given how we split the Fire Koopa Clown Car, i think it'd set a precedent for the Stiletto Goomba as well.

'''Please take a look at current state of the page before voting, as we are lumping an enemy, and a stiletto with a slightly different function. Additionally, if this proposal fails, the only logical thing to do will be to reexamine variants like the Boo Buddy formation, and shakeable objects, like the [[Music Block]] and the [[Fire Koopa Clown Car]]. Thanks for your understanding.'''

'''Proposer:'''{{User|FanOfYoshi}}

'''Deadline:''' May, 23, 2019, 23:59 GMT
===Split all===
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.

===Just split Shoe Goomba===
===Just split Stiletto Goomba===
===Split Shoe Goomba while merging the Stiletto Goomba info to it===
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} It has its own name in multiple languages, [https://i.imgur.com/13yuYix.jpg its own page-long entry and artwork in the PEotGMCE], a specific behavior, it's only relevant for when Mario's not using it, and it's so damn awkward to link to "Goomba's Shoe" from the enemy list.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per pro.
#{{User|SmokedChili}} Per all, plus there's [[It's a Shoe-in|one instance]] where the shoe isn't occupied by a Goomba.
#{{User|Mister Wu}} The internal name of the normal and stiletto variants are just ''kutsu_kuriboA'' and ''kutsu_kuriboB'' so keeping them merged makes sense, while at the same time it makes sense to separate the enemy from the item they use.
#{{User|Metalex123}} Per proposal.
#{{User|MarioManiac1981}} This appears to be the most sensible option.

===Don't split anything===
#{{user|HEROMARIO}}: They are pretty much the same.
#{{User|Alex95}} - All the variants of the shoe and the enemy inside them will all share the same information. There's no difference between any of the shoes aside from visual, and the shoes will always start with an enemy inside them.
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per Alex95.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} I really don't think an article for Shoe Goomba is needed, and a Stiletto Goomba article would just be plain unnecessary for what is nothing more than a visual variant.
#{{user|Mario jc}} There's hardly any unique information on these enemies that warrants a split.
#{{user|EDShoot}} Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.

===Comments===
Is there an option for "split Shoe Goomba, but have Stiletto Goomba's info merged with Shoe Goomba"? {{User:Niiue/sig}} 06:38, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
:Hmmm... That's not a bad idea. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:42, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
::The opposition: "Shoe Goomba" specifically refers to the enemy, while "Goomba's Shoe" refers to the item. For the Stiletto, we split off the Music Block earlier, also there is a change. When you ride one that has wings, unlike the normal shoe, will make some sort of woman laugh. Yes, i'm aware that i haven't voted yet, because i don't know what to choose. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:55, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
:::Different sound effects hardly warrant a change... {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:38, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
::::Actually, iirc, the stomp attack of a Big Stiletto is greater than that of a Big Shoe. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:36, May 10, 2019 (EDT)
:::::So, should we treat it as a Music Block/Fire Koopa Clown Car thing, treat it like a color variation, or best to wait for Super Mario Maker 2's release regarding the Stiletto Goomba? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:20, May 10, 2019 (EDT)
Would the split all option also split "Goomba's Stiletto" from Goomba's Shoe, or leave them merged? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:18, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
:Is "Goomba's Stiletto" official? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:26, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
::If this proposal fails, do i have the permission to discuss it? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:30, May 15, 2019 (EDT)
::I thought it was mentioned in some Nintendo video, but I can't seem to find it, though we might find out in the sequel. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:25, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
:::Anyways, should we treat the Stiletto Goomba as a color variant, or as the Fire Koopa Clown Car/Music Block situation? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:42, May 19, 2019 (EDT)
::::Also, out of curiousity, what is the Stiletto Goomba's Japanese name? I'd guess we should wait for Super Mario Maker 2's release to see if it deserves a split or not. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:10, May 20, 2019 (EDT)