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== Merge with [[Golden Mushroom]] and [[Dash Mushroom]] with [[Mushroom]] == | == Merge with [[Golden Mushroom]] and [[Dash Mushroom]] with [[Mushroom]] == | ||
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Basically going the opposite direction of [[Talk:Mushroom#Split_Dash_Mushroom_from_this_article|this proposal]], the reason being the recent release of the [[Spirit_(Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate)#footnote_inline_5|gold Mushroom spirit in ''Ultimate'']]. It's named the "Golden Dash Mushroom" in all regions, but the context in which you fight it is ''Mario Kart''-themed – ''Mario Kart'' stage, ''Mario Kart'' gimmicks, ''Mario Kart'' music, ''Mario Kart'' items (the rule even says so), and the artwork used is even taken directly from ''Mario Kart 8''. From this, I think it's clear that Nintendo intended the gold Mushroom in the later ''Mario Party'' games to be the same as the ''Mario Kart'' one (the ''Mario Kart 7'' European names should have been an indication of this, too), and for the same reason I think [[Dash Mushroom]] should also be merged back with [[Mushroom]], as that was also most likely similarly renamed. | Basically going the opposite direction of [[Talk:Mushroom#Split_Dash_Mushroom_from_this_article|this proposal]], the reason being the recent release of the [[Spirit_(Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate)#footnote_inline_5|gold Mushroom spirit in ''Ultimate'']]. It's named the "Golden Dash Mushroom" in all regions, but the context in which you fight it is ''Mario Kart''-themed – ''Mario Kart'' stage, ''Mario Kart'' gimmicks, ''Mario Kart'' music, ''Mario Kart'' items (the rule even says so), and the artwork used is even taken directly from ''Mario Kart 8''. From this, I think it's clear that Nintendo intended the gold Mushroom in the later ''Mario Party'' games to be the same as the ''Mario Kart'' one (the ''Mario Kart 7'' European names should have been an indication of this, too), and for the same reason I think [[Dash Mushroom]] should also be merged back with [[Mushroom]], as that was also most likely similarly renamed. | ||
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===Keep split=== | ===Keep split=== | ||
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} As the creator of the mentioned proposal, while I completely understand the point you're trying to make, the only evidence you presented doesn't hold up well enough in my opinion. Sure, "Golden Dash Mushroom" is its name in all English regions, and it ''was'' released as a spirit along with two other ''Super Mario Party''-related entities, but unless we have an actual description that at least '''hints''' that the two mushrooms are indeed the same thing, saying that they might be the same just | #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} As the creator of the mentioned proposal, while I completely understand the point you're trying to make, the only evidence you presented doesn't hold up well enough in my opinion. Sure, "Golden Dash Mushroom" is its name in all English regions, and it ''was'' released as a spirit along with two other ''Super Mario Party''-related entities, but unless we have an actual description that at least '''hints''' that the two mushrooms are indeed the same thing, saying that they might be the same just because of the way it was grouped in with ''Super Mario Party'' spirits seems like wild speculation at this point in time. I mean, for all we know, it could have been a mis- or re-translation, which '''has''' to some extent happened before, like with [[Parafoil]]. Plus, by this logic, you would be re-merging [[Setback Shell]] with [[Green Shell]], [[Backwards Bill]] with [[Bullet Bill]], [[Lightning Score Striker]] with [[Lightning]], and so on, where I feel that these articles should be visited too. Even then, it would be too inconsistent, seeing as how my original proposal not only tried to keep things consistent with articles like [[Thwomp Orb]] or [[Podoboo Orb]], but also because Mushrooms and Golden Mushrooms appeared in ''[[Mario Party 2]]'' with '''different''' functions from the Dash and Golden Dash Mushrooms despite ''Mario Party 2'' being part of the same series as ''Mario Party: Island Tour''. All in all, the proposal is okay reasoning, but I think that my reasoning (as well as that from the mentioned proposal) is even better. | ||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Toadette the Achiever. They are separate from the normal Mushroom. | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Toadette the Achiever. They are separate from the normal Mushroom. | ||
#{{User|Bloober}} Per Toadette the Achiever; I literally don't see a reason why it should be merged at all. | #{{User|Bloober}} Per Toadette the Achiever; I literally don't see a reason why it should be merged at all. | ||
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Per Toadette the Achiever. | #{{User|Doomhiker}} Per Toadette the Achiever. | ||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} I'm already at odds with the amount of things | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} I'm already at odds with the amount of things this article considers the same. Besides, SSBU also considers ''Wario: Master of Disguise'' to be a ''Wario Land'' game and ''Mario & Wario'' to be a ''Super Mario'' game. | ||
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Also, your examples in your oppose argument and reply to Waluigi Time's comment don't fit my logic. The reason subjects like the enhanced RPG mushrooms, the ''Mario Party'' Blooper/Bullet Bill/etc. items and orbs were split from their derivatives is because they have ''different names'', because the developers treated them as counterparts and not exactly their derivatives, which generally already calls for separate pages. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 09:08, 2 January 2019 (EST) | Also, your examples in your oppose argument and reply to Waluigi Time's comment don't fit my logic. The reason subjects like the enhanced RPG mushrooms, the ''Mario Party'' Blooper/Bullet Bill/etc. items and orbs were split from their derivatives is because they have ''different names'', because the developers treated them as counterparts and not exactly their derivatives, which generally already calls for separate pages. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 09:08, 2 January 2019 (EST) | ||
:I don't get why you said the other items in ''Mario Party: Island Tour'' ([[Blooper Chopper]], [[Lightning Score Striker]], etc.) are treated as counterparts by the developers of that game when the Dash Mushroom and Golden Dash Mushroom could technically be treated in the same regard. Also, the Japanese name alone '''does not''' prove anything about a name change; it definitely helps, but it can't be used as the ''only'' piece of evidence. Really, you should be comparing the general Japanese name in ''Mario Party: Island Tour'', ''Mario Party: Star Rush'', ''Mario Party: The Top 100'', and ''Super Mario Party'' to the Japanese name of the general ''Mario Kart'' series appearance. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 10:54, 2 January 2019 (EST) | :I don't get why you said the other items in ''Mario Party: Island Tour'' ([[Blooper Chopper]], [[Lightning Score Striker]], etc.) are treated as counterparts by the developers of that game when the Dash Mushroom and Golden Dash Mushroom could technically be treated in the same regard. Also, the Japanese name alone '''does not''' prove anything about a name change; it definitely helps, but it can't be used as the ''only'' piece of evidence. Really, you should be comparing the general Japanese name in ''Mario Party: Island Tour'', ''Mario Party: Star Rush'', ''Mario Party: The Top 100'', and ''Super Mario Party'' to the Japanese name of the general ''Mario Kart'' series appearance. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 10:54, 2 January 2019 (EST) | ||