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== Merge Ghost (''Wario Land II'' enemy), Ghost (''DK'' series), Ghost (''Luigi's Mansion'' series) into a single "Ghost" article ==
== Merge Ghost (''Wario Land II'' enemy), Ghost (''DK'' series), Ghost (''Luigi's Mansion'' series) into a single "Ghost" article ==
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Sooooo, funny story. I replied to Arend explaining why I considered the ghosts to be the same "species" as generic ghosts... and in doing so, listed multiple design characteristics that stereotypical ghosts lack, such as yellow eyes, and a variety of colors and shapes. It eventually dawned upon me that it would be extremely difficult to string the ghosts I mention in this proposal into anything resembling cohesive.
Sooooo, funny story. I replied to Arend explaining why I considered the ghosts to be the same "species" as generic ghosts... and in doing so, listed multiple design characteristics that stereotypical ghosts lack, such as yellow eyes, and a variety of colors and shapes. It eventually dawned upon me that it would be extremely difficult to string the ghosts I mention in this proposal into anything resembling cohesive.


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:Fair enough about the ''Yoshi's Story'' ghost, though I'd question why to list it with the other ghosts you ''do'' want to merge in the first place when it's irrelevant. You mentioned the ''Wario Land 4'' ghost separately when that one is ''also'' named "yūrei" in Japanese (albeit with different kana). Regardless, you're right, I should've read that more thoroughly.<br>And I wasn't talking exclusively about the "yūrei" and "obake" names when it comes to the WL2 and DK ghosts. As both of us know, the DK ghosts were called "Powan" in the Japanese version of ''King of Swing'', which is a unique name; I thought you'd be aware that I was taking that into account since I ''did'' specifically mention in my vote that the Japanese ''King of Swing'' had a distinct name.<br>As for the ''Luigi's Mansion'' ghosts, I still feel it's weird if we have that merged with the ghosts from other series; whereas the Wario Land II and DK ghosts are separate uncommon enemies from one or two games each, the Luigi's Mansion ghosts cover a variety of subspecies across the whole Luigi's Mansion series: each with somewhat similar appearances, attacks, and ways to defeat them. Yes, they do have aesthetic inconsistencies per game, but it's kinda like that [[Gold Ghost]]s, [[Greenie]]s and [[Goob]]s are as similar to each other as [[Klaptrap]]s, [[Klampon]]s and [[Krimp]]s are. The latter three are definitely Kremlings instead of generic crocodiles, as the former three are Luigi's Mansion ghosts instead of generic ghosts. That's why I feel merging the Luigi's Mansion ghosts with other generic ghosts would be a bit odd to me. {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:58, January 17, 2024 (EST)
:Fair enough about the ''Yoshi's Story'' ghost, though I'd question why to list it with the other ghosts you ''do'' want to merge in the first place when it's irrelevant. You mentioned the ''Wario Land 4'' ghost separately when that one is ''also'' named "yūrei" in Japanese (albeit with different kana). Regardless, you're right, I should've read that more thoroughly.<br>And I wasn't talking exclusively about the "yūrei" and "obake" names when it comes to the WL2 and DK ghosts. As both of us know, the DK ghosts were called "Powan" in the Japanese version of ''King of Swing'', which is a unique name; I thought you'd be aware that I was taking that into account since I ''did'' specifically mention in my vote that the Japanese ''King of Swing'' had a distinct name.<br>As for the ''Luigi's Mansion'' ghosts, I still feel it's weird if we have that merged with the ghosts from other series; whereas the Wario Land II and DK ghosts are separate uncommon enemies from one or two games each, the Luigi's Mansion ghosts cover a variety of subspecies across the whole Luigi's Mansion series: each with somewhat similar appearances, attacks, and ways to defeat them. Yes, they do have aesthetic inconsistencies per game, but it's kinda like that [[Gold Ghost]]s, [[Greenie]]s and [[Goob]]s are as similar to each other as [[Klaptrap]]s, [[Klampon]]s and [[Krimp]]s are. The latter three are definitely Kremlings instead of generic crocodiles, as the former three are Luigi's Mansion ghosts instead of generic ghosts. That's why I feel merging the Luigi's Mansion ghosts with other generic ghosts would be a bit odd to me. {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:58, January 17, 2024 (EST)
::I guess the Kremlings are a fairly close comparison, but I feel like there is a major difference: the Klaptraps, Klampons, etc. are actually called "Kremlings" and not "crocodiles", something that cannot be said about the various "ghosts" in the Luigi's Mansion series. The ghosts have a generic label in Japanese, as well as a non-capitalized, also-generic label in English. If they were named "Spooks" or something like that, I might concur that they were intended to be a unique "species" from standard ghosts. They do appear to have certain design characteristics that other ghosts don't (colorful, having large, glowing eyes, and coming in a wide variety of shapes), but I think that could be chalked up to that just being how ghosts look in the Luigi's Mansion art style. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:17, January 17, 2024 (EST)
::I guess the Kremlings are a fairly close comparison, but I feel like there is a major difference: the Klaptraps, Klampons, etc. are actually called "Kremlings" and not "crocodiles", something that cannot be said about the various "ghosts" in the Luigi's Mansion series. The ghosts have a generic label in Japanese, as well as a non-capitalized, also-generic label in English. If they were named "Spooks" or something like that, I might concur that they were intended to be a unique "species" from standard ghosts. They do appear to have certain design characteristics that other ghosts don't (colorful, having large, glowing eyes, and coming in a wide variety of shapes), but I think that could be chalked up to that just being how ghosts look in the Luigi's Mansion art style. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:17, January 17, 2024 (EST)
@Hewer concerning updated proposal: deciding on a popular page to make the first result instead of a disambiguation is not a new concept, though. [[Mushroom]], for instance, takes you to the well-known Mushroom as an item, and not the [[Mushroom (status effect)|one-off status effect]], the [[Figurines_(WarioWare:_Twisted!)#Mushroom|figurine from ''WarioWare: Twisted]], or the [[Mushroom_(tire)|tire from ''Mario Kart 7'']]; those are in [[Mushroom (disambiguation)]]. Or how about [[Goomba]] logically taking you to the classic enemy, and not immediately to the [[Goomba_(disambiguation)|disambiguation page]] for the nine other characters that were all at some point also named "Goomba"?<br>The deciding factor for both examples is how likely someone is to be looking for a certain article when they type "Mushroom" or "Goomba". I think the equivalent for "Ghost" is the Luigi's Mansion ghosts, since again, they are arguably the main feature of a whole series of games, plus they are depictions of actual ghosts and not merely transparent copies of characters (e.g. [[Ghost (Mario Kart series)]]). [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 20:38, January 18, 2024 (EST)
:I'm well aware that disambiguations don't always get priority, I just don't think there's a particularly compelling reason Luigi's Mansion ghosts should be considered the primary ones in this case, unlike extremely commonly recurring things like Goomba and Mushroom where the primary subject is a lot more obvious. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:36, January 19, 2024 (EST)

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