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==Separation from regular Klump== | ==Separation from regular Klump== | ||
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Manuals and supplementary materials tend to treat the Klump enemy as a singular entity, such as [http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_SNES/manual/Formated/Donkey_Kong_Country_-_1994_-_Nintendo.pdf the DKC manual]'s story and enemy sections, [http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_SNES/manual/Formated/Donkey_Kong_Country_2-_Diddy-s_Kong_Quest_-_1995_-_Nintendo.pdf the DKC2 manual]'s enemy section, and [http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_N64/Manual/formated/Donkey_Kong_64_-_1999_-_Nintendo.pdf the DK64 manual]'s story section. Pay extra attention to the last one; multiple generals are mentioned, but only a single Klump is specified. I think these other generals would be the ones K. Rool feeds to gigantic Klap Traps in one cutscene, as a singular Klump is among them. Anyways, it seems that officially, Klump is a singular entity in all material, and the fact that multiple of him can and do appear at once seems to be a case of good old [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation gameplay and story segregation]. I think a merge should be considered. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:54, 23 April 2018 (EDT) | Manuals and supplementary materials tend to treat the Klump enemy as a singular entity, such as [http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_SNES/manual/Formated/Donkey_Kong_Country_-_1994_-_Nintendo.pdf the DKC manual]'s story and enemy sections, [http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_SNES/manual/Formated/Donkey_Kong_Country_2-_Diddy-s_Kong_Quest_-_1995_-_Nintendo.pdf the DKC2 manual]'s enemy section, and [http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_N64/Manual/formated/Donkey_Kong_64_-_1999_-_Nintendo.pdf the DK64 manual]'s story section. Pay extra attention to the last one; multiple generals are mentioned, but only a single Klump is specified. I think these other generals would be the ones K. Rool feeds to gigantic Klap Traps in one cutscene, as a singular Klump is among them. Anyways, it seems that officially, Klump is a singular entity in all material, and the fact that multiple of him can and do appear at once seems to be a case of good old [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation gameplay and story segregation]. I think a merge should be considered. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:54, 23 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:If you take a look in those older manuals, the enemy bios also suffer from inconsistent singular/plural tenses, and this oddity persists in the franchise even now in strategy guides. It is part of a broader issue having to do with Nintendo's choice of writing style. The fact is we see multiple Klumps as a generic enemy in the games, and only one recurring Klump character in the show; the "gameplay and story segregation" intepretation is too close to making a [[MarioWiki:Canonicity|canonicity]] argument, and it's flawed because some like Zinger are written singularly or plurally depending on the manual. The only way to merge logically is if we say that the television show's Klump is interchangeable with a different Klump in between episodes/scenes for all we know, but I don't think that's very likely to be intention of the showrunners. Basically, Klump's two separate articles for the game species and cartoon character, just like Krusha, are fine. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:00, 23 April 2018 (EDT) | :If you take a look in those older manuals, the enemy bios also suffer from inconsistent singular/plural tenses, and this oddity persists in the franchise even now in strategy guides. It is part of a broader issue having to do with Nintendo's choice of writing style. The fact is we see multiple Klumps as a generic enemy in the games, and only one recurring Klump character in the show; the "gameplay and story segregation" intepretation is too close to making a [[MarioWiki:Canonicity|canonicity]] argument, and it's flawed because some like Zinger are written singularly or plurally depending on the manual. The only way to merge logically is if we say that the television show's Klump is interchangeable with a different Klump in between episodes/scenes for all we know, but I don't think that's very likely to be intention of the showrunners. Basically, Klump's two separate articles for the game species and cartoon character, just like Krusha, are fine. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:00, 23 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
::To me, it seems more like our prior Mouser situation. There are two distinct Mousers in SMB2, and ''three'' in YK:DDP. I'd like to point out that the first underwater level in DKC can have two Enguardes on-screen at once, and this seems akin to that as well | ::To me, it seems more like our prior Mouser situation. There are two distinct Mousers in SMB2, and ''three'' in YK:DDP. I'd like to point out that the first underwater level in DKC can have two Enguardes on-screen at once, and this seems akin to that as well. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:11, 23 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
