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==Verification through video clips==
==Verification through video clips==
{{settled TPP}}
{{settledTPP}}
{{proposal outcome|no quorum|1-0}}
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Earlier, I proposed linking every game over described on this article to a corresponding video record of the said game over; you can check that too. I will now formally rise the same proposal.
Earlier, I proposed linking every game over described on this article to a corresponding video record of the said game over; you can check that too. I will now formally rise the same proposal.


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== Reorganize the images in this page's gallery ==
== Reorganize the images in this page's gallery ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|8-1-7-1-2|chronological by year}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-1-7-1-2|chronological by year}}
As organized as these images are, I'd still like to see some improvements. First, organizing the Game Over screen images by game system type is beginning to get unprofessional, since Nintendo now publishes games on mobile devices, and considering that I '''''just''''' uploaded [[:File:SMR Game Over.png]]. Second, it's not a very conventional way of searching for images, and I myself have problems finding a particular image with the current setup. Third, one user has pointed out (via maintenance tag) that Game Overs aren't necessarily restricted to games, and also appears in books and films such as ''[[Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]]''. Therefore, I propose that we change the organization to something different:
As organized as these images are, I'd still like to see some improvements. First, organizing the Game Over screen images by game system type is beginning to get unprofessional, since Nintendo now publishes games on mobile devices, and considering that I '''''just''''' uploaded [[:File:SMR Game Over.png]]. Second, it's not a very conventional way of searching for images, and I myself have problems finding a particular image with the current setup. Third, one user has pointed out (via maintenance tag) that Game Overs aren't necessarily restricted to games, and also appears in books and films such as ''[[Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]]''. Therefore, I propose that we change the organization to something different:
*'''Option 1: Chronological by year.''' This would divide the Game Over screens by the year that the game in question was first released, and suborder each Game Over screen by the respective game's earliest release date. (i.e. ''[[Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle]]'''s image would come before ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'''s image) '''This is my suggested course of action.'''
*'''Option 1: Chronological by year.''' This would divide the Game Over screens by the year that the game in question was first released, and suborder each Game Over screen by the respective game's earliest release date. (i.e. ''[[Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle]]'''s image would come before ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'''s image) '''This is my suggested course of action.'''
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== Split the gallery section into its own page ==
== Split the gallery section into its own page ==


{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|8-0|Create gallery page}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|Create gallery page}}
Following what Bazooka Mario said in the above section, the gallery section of the page should be big enough for [[Gallery:Game Over]] to be created.
Following what Bazooka Mario said in the above section, the gallery section of the page should be big enough for [[Gallery:Game Over]] to be created.


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== Replace "List of Game Over screens" and "'Game Over' as death" sections with a "History" section ==
== Replace "List of Game Over screens" and "'Game Over' as death" sections with a "History" section ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0-0|Merge into "History"}}
Before you look over this proposal, I invite you to ''try'' to read the main article. It's honestly absurd how in-depth this article goes into describing every little detail of every Game Over screen. And besides, I thought this article was about the mechanic of a Game Over, not how they look, or whether the music is "depressing". This page is just fundamentally flawed in how it is structured, so in this proposal, I hope to merge the two main sections, "List of Game Over screens" and "'Game Over' as death" into one "History" section, and to trim much of the unnecessary details.
Before you look over this proposal, I invite you to ''try'' to read the main article. It's honestly absurd how in-depth this article goes into describing every little detail of every Game Over screen. And besides, I thought this article was about the mechanic of a Game Over, not how they look, or whether the music is "depressing". This page is just fundamentally flawed in how it is structured, so in this proposal, I hope to merge the two main sections, "List of Game Over screens" and "'Game Over' as death" into one "History" section, and to trim much of the unnecessary details.


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#{{User|7feetunder}} The "Game Over as death" concept is only really explored in ''SPM'', with the only other mention of it I can think of being a brief one in ''TTYD'', so we lose nothing by just putting it in a history section.
#{{User|7feetunder}} The "Game Over as death" concept is only really explored in ''SPM'', with the only other mention of it I can think of being a brief one in ''TTYD'', so we lose nothing by just putting it in a history section.
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} I believe these earlier headers are flowery and fluffy and have existed since the ten’s; the history header title is more professional.
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} I believe these earlier headers are flowery and fluffy and have existed since the ten’s; the history header title is more professional.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per proposal. The "Game Over as Death" concept only really exists for Chapter 7 of ''Super Paper Mario'' and a whole One (1) line in ''TTYD''; we really ought to just merge these already, since not a whole lot is lost by doing that.
#{{User|Mario}} The list is better dealt as a gallery in most instances. We don't need descriptions that basically instruct players how to proceed with the game, coupled with a mention of Paper Mario's dead body.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.


===Convert "List of Game Over screens" into "History", leave "'Game Over' as death"===
===Convert "List of Game Over screens" into "History", leave "'Game Over' as death"===
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To be honest, I'm starting to wonder if this proposal would ''really'' fix the article. Game Overs are kind of a generic concept in gaming, so I wonder if having a whole history section would really be necessary. Looking at the [[extra life]] article, which features a similarly generic game feature, it doesn't have one at all, so maybe that's the way to go? [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 00:23, December 12, 2023 (EST)
To be honest, I'm starting to wonder if this proposal would ''really'' fix the article. Game Overs are kind of a generic concept in gaming, so I wonder if having a whole history section would really be necessary. Looking at the [[extra life]] article, which features a similarly generic game feature, it doesn't have one at all, so maybe that's the way to go? [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 00:23, December 12, 2023 (EST)
:... I think the reason there isn't a history section is because there's still 1-Up/Extra Life - related stuff that still needs to be added. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 07:51, December 12, 2023 (CST)
:... I think the reason there isn't a history section is because there's still 1-Up/Extra Life - related stuff that still needs to be added. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 07:51, December 12, 2023 (CST)
There's one entry in this bloated list that bothers me:
<blockquote>In the WarioWare games, if the player loses all four lives on a stage, a Game Over occurs, with a differing design and font, depending on the stage the player is playing. '''Usually after this happens, on the score screen that follows, the background image depicts the stage's owner(s) being depressed.'''</blockquote>
Wow, really? Misinformation. Just look at [[gallery:WarioWare:_Touched!%23Result_screens|these screens]]. They're not sad, they're happy (Jimmy, Ashley, Wario, Wario-Man, Megamix, and Mike, are exceptions)! Again, this calls for a major rewriting. If this proposel failures, then these concerning sections would be summarized. Overly-precise writing is not good writing. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 07:43, December 17, 2023 (EST)
:If you reeeeeeally want to be technical, those screens occur after the "Game Over" text has appeared, not during. If you want the latter, it's in the gallery of this page. Still, that sentence does seem a little needless. [[User:BMfan08|BMfan08]] ([[User talk:BMfan08|talk]]) 20:26, December 17, 2023 (EST)

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