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The template at the top of the page makes no sense. They have an official name in English: Goomba. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | The template at the top of the page makes no sense. They have an official name in English: Goomba. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ||
:There was a proposal about this a while ago. Some of the details weren't actually specified though. We decided to split the Goombas from Super Mario World into another article, but we were unsure of what to call it. Originally, we were going to name it {{ | :There was a proposal about this a while ago. Some of the details weren't actually specified though. We decided to split the Goombas from Super Mario World into another article, but we were unsure of what to call it. Originally, we were going to name it {{fakelink|Goomba (SMW)}}, but that didn't pan out, so we named it '''Kuribon'''. However, though we discovered that Kuribon translates into "Chestnut People", we have yet to actually move the article. I'm not sure why, actually. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 10:13, 22 November 2008 (EST) | ||
::What's the source for the name "Kuribon?" -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ::What's the source for the name "Kuribon?" -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ||
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==Merge with [[Goomba]]== | ==Merge with [[Goomba]]== | ||
{{ | {{TPP}} | ||
I saw the proposal for merging the Small Goomba with the normal Goomba and the first thing I thought was "Why isn't this Goomba merged." | I saw the proposal for merging the Small Goomba with the normal Goomba and the first thing I thought was "Why isn't this Goomba merged." | ||
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'''Deadline''': June 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': June 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT | ||
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#{{User|Tails777}} My proposal so per me. | #{{User|Tails777}} My proposal so per me. | ||
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} They're the same thing, other than the Japanese name. In the SMW section of the Goomba page, it can mention the difference in name, yet they should be in the same article because of the English name. If I were a dude looking for info on SMW Goombas, I'd look in the Goomba article and not find it there. Not everyone knows it is a different name in Japanese just this once and it would be much easier for them to find it in the Goomba article. Please take this one for the good of the browsers, Opposers. | #{{User|Bowser's luma}} They're the same thing, other than the Japanese name. In the SMW section of the Goomba page, it can mention the difference in name, yet they should be in the same article because of the English name. If I were a dude looking for info on SMW Goombas, I'd look in the Goomba article and not find it there. Not everyone knows it is a different name in Japanese just this once and it would be much easier for them to find it in the Goomba article. Please take this one for the good of the browsers, Opposers. | ||
#{{User|BoygeyDude}} They're not very different. Per All. | #{{User|BoygeyDude}} They're not very different. Per All. | ||
#{{User|DKPetey99}} Just because they look different, does not mean they are different, and their English name is the same, so why does it matter that their Japanese name is slightly different? Per all. | #{{User|DKPetey99}} Just because they look different, does not mean they are different, and their English name is the same, so why does it matter that their Japanese name is slightly different? Per all. | ||
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#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} They look different act different and on top of that they have a different japanese name which is Kuribon while regular Goomba's have the name Kuribō so they were not intended to be the same species much like how spike top and red spike top are not the same species. | #{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} They look different act different and on top of that they have a different japanese name which is Kuribon while regular Goomba's have the name Kuribō so they were not intended to be the same species much like how spike top and red spike top are not the same species. | ||
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Well they have differences, such as that this one is more round, and this kind of Goomba has some different kinds of abilities (one of them is being able to fly around in a bubble). | #{{User|UltraMario3000}} Well they have differences, such as that this one is more round, and this kind of Goomba has some different kinds of abilities (one of them is being able to fly around in a bubble). | ||
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} Per the reasons we keep Boomerang Bro from M&L:SS separate from Boomerang Bro and merge Spookum with Snifit. | #{{User|Magikrazy51}} Per the reasons we keep Boomerang Bro from M&L:SS separate from Boomerang Bro and merge Spookum with Snifit. | ||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all; per the arguments put forth in the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/ | #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all; per the arguments put forth in the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_10#Goombas|Proposal that originally split this page out of the main article]]. Different official names in at least one language + different looks + different behaviour = different species. {{tem|Main}} ensures there's no navigation hassles stemming from the logical separation of the two species of Goombas. | ||
#{{User|Ericss}} There are far more reasons to consider them a different species than to consider them regular Goombas: First, they don't look like regular Goombas. Second, they don't behave as regular Goombas. And third, they have a different Japanese name than regular Goombas. The only reason to say that they aren't a different Goomba species is that the translators at NOA didn't give them a different name, but that's a ridiculous argument to begin with, as a) these enemies and the game they appeared in were designed by the Japanese developers, not by NOA, and b) NOA's translations were inconsistent and had errors back then (ie: Goomba's Shoe was originally translated as Kuribu's Shoe, and later changed to reflect the more sensible name) and should be taken with a grain of salt, especially the original Japanese version contradicts them. | #{{User|Ericss}} There are far more reasons to consider them a different species than to consider them regular Goombas: First, they don't look like regular Goombas. Second, they don't behave as regular Goombas. And third, they have a different Japanese name than regular Goombas. The only reason to say that they aren't a different Goomba species is that the translators at NOA didn't give them a different name, but that's a ridiculous argument to begin with, as a) these enemies and the game they appeared in were designed by the Japanese developers, not by NOA, and b) NOA's translations were inconsistent and had errors back then (ie: Goomba's Shoe was originally translated as Kuribu's Shoe, and later changed to reflect the more sensible name) and should be taken with a grain of salt, especially the original Japanese version contradicts them. | ||
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo. | #{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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@DKPetey99, to answer your question in the votes section about why them having different Japanese names matters: Because they were created by the Japanese developers, not by NOA, and if they intended them to be considered the same species as regular Goombas, they would simply have given them the same name (and behavior). That NOA was too lazy to come up with an unique name to differentiate them from regular Goombas in the localized version of SMW is totally irrelevant. By your logic, Goomba's Shoe and Kuribu's Shoe are different items, as the power-up had different names in the different NOA translations of SMB3. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] 01:11, 8 June 2011 (EDT) | @DKPetey99, to answer your question in the votes section about why them having different Japanese names matters: Because they were created by the Japanese developers, not by NOA, and if they intended them to be considered the same species as regular Goombas, they would simply have given them the same name (and behavior). That NOA was too lazy to come up with an unique name to differentiate them from regular Goombas in the localized version of SMW is totally irrelevant. By your logic, Goomba's Shoe and Kuribu's Shoe are different items, as the power-up had different names in the different NOA translations of SMB3. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] 01:11, 8 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
