Editing Talk:Frog Mario

I think this page and [[Frog Koopa]] should be merged. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 13:24, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

I recommend that you create a proposal if you want these two pages  merged.--[[File:Yoshidarkblue.png|40px]][[User:New Super Yoshi|New]][[User talk:New Super Yoshi| Super]][[Special:Contributions/New_Super_Yoshi| Yoshi]][[File:Yoshired.png|50px]] 13:50, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

==Merge Frog Mario with [[Frog Koopa]]==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|red|don't merge 3-5}}
If you take a look at Fire Mario, for example, is there a different article that says, "Fire Peach" or "Fire Luigi"? No, because they are all in the SAME suit. I say we should merge Frog Mario with Frog Koopa, because Frog Koopa is like Frog Mario, as is Fire Mario to "Fire Luigi". 

'''Proposer''': {{User|DaisyLuigi}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 10, 2014, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|DaisyLuigi}} Per proposal.
#{{User|MegaKoopa}} Per proposal.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Koopakoolklub}} This article talks about the character Mario and his uses of the frog suit. Frog Koopa is about the character and his uses of the frog suit. I think there aren't seperate articles for Fire Peach or Fire Luigi because they all use it for the same thing. King Koopa uses it in a slightly different way. And ''that'' is why I don't think they should be merged.
#{{User|Mario}} I think the method for obtaining it is different than the usual method, since it's activated by a pendant rather than a suit. It also can be stacked with other powerups, making it more distinct than the normal powerup (although Bowser in ''Super Mario 3D World'' ''kind of'' has his abilities stacked as well). That being said, I think [[Fire Koopa]], [[Raccoon Koopa]], and [[Frog Koopa]] should be merged into one article simply for convenience. They are all dependent on the pendant (no pun intended) and they appear only once ([[Super Koopa (episode)|Super Koopa]]), not being independent powerups. No one is bound to search for Fire Koopa without knowing about the pendant and Raccoon Koopa and Frog Koopa.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per both.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per all
#{{User|Vommack}} Per all.

===Comments===
What are you going to do about [[Raccoon Koopa]] and [[Fire Koopa]]? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:16, 2 May 2014 (EDT)
:I don't know. I might propose to merge them.{{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}
@Koopakoolklub what differences are there? I read the Frog Koopa article and it had, increased swimming which is something that happens in the game, jump long distances which happened in game. Only difference is the ability to breath underwater, but seeing as the games and the anime are different things I don't see why that would count against a merge. {{User|Yoshi876}}
:The main difference I see is that Frog Koopa is part of a form that comes from the [[Power Pendant]] and is able to change forms at will....until the Power Pendant breaks of course {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:08, 2 May 2014 (EDT)
::And his strength is increased. Which does not happen to the players in Frog Suits. {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 17:20, 2 May 2014 (EDT)
:::So what about the Raccoon or Cat-enhanced enemies of ''Super Mario 3D Land'' and ''Super Mario 3D World'', respectively? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:00, 7 May 2014 (EDT)
::::They're their own enemies, not really forms of another character, methinks. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:03, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

== Add Game Appearences section ==

Frog Mario reappears in Newer Super Mario Bros. Wii.
:Hacks don't get mentioned on the wiki. Also, sign you comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User_talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 11:57, 18 February 2015 (EST)

== Can someone provide proof? ==

I'm a little confused. Articles say that Big Bertha can eat Mario if he swims too close to her, unless he's in a Frog Suit. However, I try to replicate the claim, and it never works. Can someone provide video proof that Big Bertha will eat Mario without the Frog Suit? --[[User:SMWFan|SMWFan]] ([[User talk:SMWFan|talk]]) 13:10, 1 March 2018 (EST).
:I'm confused too. I don't think Big Berthas would discriminate eating Mario regardless if he's in a Frog Suit or not. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:14, 1 March 2018 (EST)
::True. But, my point is, I don't see them eating Mario in Super Mario Bros. 3. I tried, and it doesn't work. If someone has evidence that it does happen, I'm interested in seeing that.
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 I think this page and [[Frog Koopa]] should be merged. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 13:24, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
-I recommend that you create a proposal if you want these two pages  merged.--[[File:Yoshidarkblue.jpg|40px]][[User:New Super Yoshi|New]][[User talk:New Super Yoshi| Super]][[Special:Contributions/New_Super_Yoshi| Yoshi]][[File:Yoshired.png|50px]] 13:50, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
+I recommend that you create a proposal if you want these two pages  merged.--[[File:Yoshidarkblue.png|40px]][[User:New Super Yoshi|New]][[User talk:New Super Yoshi| Super]][[Special:Contributions/New_Super_Yoshi| Yoshi]][[File:Yoshired.png|50px]] 13:50, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 ==Merge Frog Mario with [[Frog Koopa]]==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{SettledTPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|red|don't merge 3-5}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|red|don't merge 3-5}}
 If you take a look at Fire Mario, for example, is there a different article that says, "Fire Peach" or "Fire Luigi"? No, because they are all in the SAME suit. I say we should merge Frog Mario with Frog Koopa, because Frog Koopa is like Frog Mario, as is Fire Mario to "Fire Luigi".
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 I'm a little confused. Articles say that Big Bertha can eat Mario if he swims too close to her, unless he's in a Frog Suit. However, I try to replicate the claim, and it never works. Can someone provide video proof that Big Bertha will eat Mario without the Frog Suit? --[[User:SMWFan|SMWFan]] ([[User talk:SMWFan|talk]]) 13:10, 1 March 2018 (EST).
 :I'm confused too. I don't think Big Berthas would discriminate eating Mario regardless if he's in a Frog Suit or not. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:14, 1 March 2018 (EST)
-::True. But, my point is, I don't see them eating Mario in Super Mario Bros. 3. I tried, and it doesn't work. If someone has evidence that it does happen, I'm interested in seeing that. --[[Special:Contributions/24.138.128.75|24.138.128.75]] 13:24, 1 March 2018 (EST).
+::True. But, my point is, I don't see them eating Mario in Super Mario Bros. 3. I tried, and it doesn't work. If someone has evidence that it does happen, I'm interested in seeing that.
-:::I've removed that sentence, since it does seem to be awkwardly added into this article anyway. Thanks. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:27, 1 March 2018 (EST)
-::::No problem. It seems people mistake Big Bertha for Boss Bass, who eats Mario, regardless of powerup, including the Frog Suit. --[[User:SMWFan|SMWFan]] ([[User talk:SMWFan|talk]]) 13:33, 1 March 2018 (EST).
-:::::It actually makes a bit more sense than one might initially think. Remember how in ''Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels'', Mario can jump on Bloopers while out of water and not while in water, due to the differing mechanics while swimming? Frog Mario uses even more different mechanics, so it's not too much of a stretch. Furthermore, there are three versions of this game, not counting ports and regional differences, so what works on one may not work on others. It's possible that in some versions, Big Bertha can eat Mario normally, but can't when he's in the Frog Suit due to a programming oversight. Of course, I don't know that for a fact, but I figured it was a valid possibility to float. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:30, 7 March 2018 (EST)
-::::::I'm not discounting the potential for it to happen. I'm just pointing out that it seems highly improbable that the claim that Big Bertha can eat Mario is true. It would be nice to have a list of every version of Super Mario Bros. 3, so I can check every single one. I have tried all the ones I can think of, though, if there's a version or two that I have missed, it might have the chance to actually be true. Until I can see that, I can't actually believe that Big Bertha can eat Mario. --[[User:SMWFan|SMWFan]] ([[User talk:SMWFan|talk]]) 15:35, 22 March 2018 (EDT).