Editing Talk:Fresh Pasta

Y'know, I don't see any difference between this & Fresh Pasta. Look! [[Image:FreshPastaBunch SPM.png]][[Image:PastaFresh.PNG]] They're identical! o_0 Maybe they should get merged. {{User:BoygeyDude/sig}}

== Merge Fresh Pasta Bunch with [[Fresh Pasta]] ==

{{settledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">NO MERGE 9-12</span>

Read my comment above. Both items look identical & both names aren't very different.

'''Proposer''': {{User|BoygeyDude}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 20th, 2011, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|BoygeyDude}} Per the Proposal
#{{user|Bloc Partier}} - See my comment below. Koopasta Dish Set a standard, we should follow it.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Vote changed per Bloc Partier and Bop1996's comments below.
#{{User|Nicke8}} Per Bloc Partier
#{{User|YoshiGo99}} Per all.
#{{User|Paperphailurethemariomonster99}} Yeah, they are the same. If we keep split, split Koopasta and Koopasta Dish.
#{{User|DKPetey99}} Why not, per all.
#{{User|Nintendo Wii and EA}} - See below.
#{{User|Boygeymom}} Seems like the precedent was set when Koopasta and Koopasta Dish were merged.  The same logic applies here.  The similarities are great, the differences are minor and could be explained easily on the merged page.

====Oppose====
<s>{{User|Bowser's luma}} ''Technecally'', we shouldn't merge because of the slight difference in name and because they have different effects. This proposal makes me hungry....:)</s>

#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} 3 things first off one heals 10 hp the other heals 5 hp and cures poison, Fresh Pasta also has more ingredients to make it with, and lastly there not even from the same game why would you want to merge two things that have different names and are from different games.
#{{User|Zero777}} Per
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per all.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Goomba's Shoe15: different names, ingredients and effects, so different items. Koopasta Dish should have been given its own page: that was an oversight that should be corrected, not a set standard that should be emulated.
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Yoshiwaker}} - Per all.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} Per goomba and walkazo
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} Per all
#{{User|Xzelion}} - Per Goomba's Shoe15
#{{User|Mariomario64}} &ndash; Per Goomba's Shoe15 and Walkazo.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per everyone!

====Comments====
The same item can still have different boost values in different games. {{User:BoygeyDude/sig}}

:There not the same item they look very very similar but they are not identical and they have different names {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

The names aren't THAT different. :/ {{User:BoygeyDude/sig}}

:So what the point is they have different names different effects and appear in different games it makes no sense to merge them together since their different items {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

Ayo, just throwing another opinion in here: we did merge Koopasta into [[Koopasta Dish]] because of the similar names/appearances. Also, they were merged despite a difference in effects. That's a pretty significant point. {{user|Bloc Partier}}

:I'd like to point out that theres no proposal that did that somebody just merged them together and nobody undid it so there really isnt a set standard for this {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
::I'd like to point out that what that means is that no one objected, so there was some sort of consensus {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
:::Yes but from what i can see that was an isolated incident not a set standard i also don't know enough about the two dishes cause if they do the same thing than it's different because these two don't do the same thing {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
::::I see what you're saying. My point was simply that a TPP doesn't have to be used to show why something was changed. I agree that it was a mistake to merge Koopasta, but the fact that it wasn't done by TPP doesn't invalidate the decision. I want everyone to vote for the right reasons, regardless of which side they vote on ;) {{User:Bop1996/sig}}

Well, now we are going to vote on Koopasta Dish and Koopasta... TPP is [[Talk:Koopasta Dish|here]] {{User:Bop1996/sig}}

Maybe I didn't explain well enough. :( The reason why the effects are different is because SPM lacks Flower Points all together, & because almost ALL items in that game cure poison for unknown reasons. 0~o {{User:BoygeyDude/sig}}

:Uh that does not explain why the one in paper mario and its sequal heal 10 and one in super paper mario only heals 5 {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

Life Shroom heals 10 in TTYD yet 5 in SPM, yet it's the same item. Fresh Fresh Past/Bunch are different.{{User:Mario Bros.!/sig}}

"[[User Talk:DKPetey99|Hey]] [[User Talk:Yoshidude99|guys]], wanna support my proposal?" [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_25#Split_Category:Donkey_Kong_Levels_into_Separate_Categories|*ahem*]] {{User:Yoshiwaker/sig|Look in the comments}}

I know i though you werent supposed to do that {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

I really don't see much of a difference. Besides, [[Game Boy Advanced]], Game Boy Micro and Game Boy Advanced SP are all on the same page, yet they are totally different. So, I don't see why not.

:Those are just upgraded versions of a game boy advance also these items are two differetn things with different effects {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

== Merge Fresh Pasta Bunch with Fresh Pasta ==

{{TPP}}

They look exactly the same and have pretty much the same name. To address opposition from the last proposal:

''"But Fresh Pasta heals 10 HP and the Fresh Pasta Bunch only heals 5!"''<br>
[[Life Shroom]]s heal 5 HP instead of 10 in ''SPM''. [[Cake Mix]] heals 5 HP instead of 1 FP. [[Space Food]] heals 10 or 50 HP instead of 5.

''"Fresh Pasta is more useful than the Fresh Pasta Bunch!"''<br>
That happens all the time, doesn't make them different items.

''"They're from different games!"''<br>
A lot of things were renamed between games, like the [[Mystery]] and [[Turtley Leaf]].

''"The Fresh Pasta Bunch heals poison!"''<br>
[[Koopa Leaf|That]] [[Horsetail|would]] [[Healthy Salad|be]] [[Whacka Bump|a]] [[Peachy Peach|strong]] [[Fruit Parfait|argument]] [[Ink Pasta|against]] [[Hot Dog|merging,]] [[Peach Tart|but]] [[Shroom Steak|a]] [[Honey Shroom|lot]] [[Dried Shroom|of]] [[Snow Bunny|items]] [[Honey Candy|were]] [[Mushroom Crepe|changed]] [[Egg Bomb|similarly]] [[Koopa Tea|in]] ''[[Heartful Cake|SPM]]''.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Binarystep}}
'''Deadline''': April 29, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Binarystep}} Per my reasons stated above.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
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 == Merge Fresh Pasta Bunch with [[Fresh Pasta]] ==
-{{settled TPP}}
+{{settledTPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|red|no merge 9-12}}
+<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">NO MERGE 9-12</span>
 Read my comment above. Both items look identical & both names aren't very different.
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 == Merge Fresh Pasta Bunch with Fresh Pasta ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|green|merge 7-0}}
+{{TPP}}
 They look exactly the same and have pretty much the same name. To address opposition from the last proposal:
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 [[Koopa Leaf|That]] [[Horsetail|would]] [[Healthy Salad|be]] [[Whacka Bump|a]] [[Peachy Peach|strong]] [[Fruit Parfait|argument]] [[Ink Pasta|against]] [[Hot Dog|merging,]] [[Peach Tart|but]] [[Shroom Steak|a]] [[Honey Shroom|lot]] [[Dried Shroom|of]] [[Snow Bunny|items]] [[Honey Candy|were]] [[Mushroom Crepe|changed]] [[Egg Bomb|similarly]] [[Koopa Tea|in]] ''[[Heartful Cake|SPM]]''.
-'''Proposer''': {{User|Binarystep}}<br>
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Binarystep}}
-'''Deadline''': April 30, 2015, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline''': April 29, 23:59 GMT
 ===Support===
 #{{User|Binarystep}} Per my reasons stated above.
-#{{User|SmokedChili}} According to [http://www33.atwiki.jp/s-papermario/pages/21.html this (unofficial) source], Fresh Pasta (生パスタ) appears as an item in ''Super Paper Mario'', and its healing properties match with Fresh Pasta Bunch. This means Fresh Pasta Bunch is renamed Fresh Pasta. Per proposal.
-#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per all.
-#{{User|Bwburke94}} Per all... assuming the Japanese names are indeed the same.
-#{{User|Lumastar}} Per all.
-#{{User|Magikrazy}} Per Binarystep.
-#{{User|Burningdragon25}} Per all in this one!
 ===Oppose===
 ===Comments===
-Seeing as ''SPM'' is more recent, Fresh Pasta Bunch's title should get priority if a merge occurs, not the therefore-outdated [[Fresh Pasta]]. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:07, 23 April 2015 (EDT)
-:Alright, does this mean [[Mystery]] should be moved to [[Mystery Box]] then? [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 00:13, 23 April 2015 (EDT)
-::I'm thinking Mystery can simply go to "Mystery Box (''Paper Mario'')", since they obviously fulfill a different purpose. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:40, 25 April 2015 (EDT)
-:::Or "Mystery Box (item)" since the Super Mario 3D Land one is a block. [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 22:10, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
-::::Items and objects (like blocks) are rather similar, so in this case, I feel like the "Paper Mario" qualifier would probably the clearer choice. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:17, 27 April 2015 (EDT)