Editing Talk:Fourth wall

I have a question about that one in Super Mario World. If coins are spelling a message to the player, is that really breaking the fourth wall? It's not a character who knows they're in a video game. It might just be a message from Nintendo. Anyone agree? Disagree? [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]]. Sorry about not signing before.

:Sign your comments. Also, it breaks the fourth wall still because its a message from Nintendo to the player... http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif ...yeah.

That counts as breaking the fourth wall? It's not just when the character does it? Oh well. Now I know.[[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]] 20:43, 9 January 2008 (EST)... wait, there's something else. I just beat the game in Super Mario World (well actually, the GBA version), and at the ending party at Yoshi's house, I'm pretty sure Princess Peach was waving to me. Has anyone else noticed this? Beacause it should be in that section, as well as the row of coins. [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]] 07:56, 20 January 2008 (EST)

I'm not sure, I do have the game (GBA), but I never noticed it.No, wait, I remember that '''everyone''' was waving yeah, remember that when they gather at the tree house and peach is waving and Mario and Luigi had 2 fingers up...[[Image:MP3_GoldenMushroom.gif]]--[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 12:03, 20 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]][[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]

[[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]] 20:51, 21 January 2008 (EST) Yep, that's right. But we don't know if that happens in the original-- it probably does, but I don't have the guts to put it in myself. (Go to [[Talk: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]], and you'll see why not.)

I could do it. [[Image:MP3_GoldenMushroom.gif]] --[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 15:38, 22 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]][[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]
Hey, in Super smash bros. melee, when a player gets smashed into the T.v. screen, does that count as a fourth wall? [[Image:MP3_GoldenMushroom.gif]] --[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 18:09, 24 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] [[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]

I guess so. (Actually, it would be breaking the fourth T.V. screen!) By the way, do we know that the Peach-waving-Mario-Luigi-two-fingers-up thing doesn't happen in the original? We'd have to ask someone who played the original. [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]]

== BLOOP! ==

In Mario kart DS/Wii the blooper is atacking the character because they go all black. (Covered with inky stuff)---More news from Shadow Yoshi)

I agree. It's probably showing ink to show what the character is seeing, and to have use for the item. I'll change it now. [[User:Fludd|Fludd]] 14:22, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

==For-to?==
This article is good, very comprehensive, but something seemed strange...

<i>"Thanks so much for-to playing my game."</i>

I've listened to it before, but, really? "For-to" just sounds... not like it. [[User:Crystal Batamon|Crystal Batamon]] 14:17, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== Needed? ==

You list some things in here even if they are not part of the game.  This list isn't listing sure fourth wall breakings but possible fourth wall breakings.  What about fixing this list?--[[User:Inuyasha Zero|Inuyasha Zero]] 13:27, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

How so? I don't see a single "possible" fourth wall breaking. [[User:Fludd|Fludd]] 18:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

:One of the possiblies: [[Fourth Wall#Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour|Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour]]. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
== Name Change? ==

Why don't we change the name to "Breaking the Fourth Wall"? It is that way on Bulbapedia (not to compare us to other wikis) and "Fourth Wall" describes the wall itself not the fact that the characters are breaking it. (is there a wall itself? English is confusing!) {{User:Bowser's luma/sig}} 23:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Um, fourth wall is fine. Its that way on wikipedia which is much more official, and its much easier to type anyways. {{User:Booderdash/sig}}

== Poltergust ==

I've just noticed. I don't think that referencing Luigi's Mansion is breaking the fourth wall. After  all, it doesn't mean that the pianta knows that he's in a game. - [[User:TheREALKingK]]

==Koops breaks the fourth wall==

In Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door, Koops breaks the fouth wall after you beat Doopliss. He says "Sort of easy for a boss battle as it were." Is that considered breaking the fourth wall? {{User|Tails777}}

Definitely. You should add that in. {{User|Mariomaster228}}
==Super Mario Galaxy/2==
Luigi actually just says "thank you for playing my game." at the end of the credits, should I change it? [[User:L is real 2401|L is real 2401]] 07:45, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

== Images? ==

Can we put images about the fourth wall breaking? (i.e A screenshot of "YOU ARE A SUPER PLAYER!!" from ''Super Mario World'', "THANK YOU" from ''Super Mario 3D Land'', the ending screen of ''Mario Kart 7'', etc.) {{User:Ultra Koopa/Sig}} 21:04, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

We should. It would help with proof and stuff like that. {{User:Tails777/sig}}

== Hanging off a D ==

In the credits of ''New Super Mario Bros. 2,'' [[Roy Koopa]] hangs off the D of EAD. Is this breaking the fourth wall?
:Could you provide an image of this, to give more context? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
Alright. But not today, my camera is missing. ~~Koopakoolklub
===The Long Awaited===
[[File:Roy on a D.JPG|thumb|130px]]
Here. I will retake it if it's not good enough. {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 20:28, 8 March 2014 (EST)
:It definitely is. Any time you break the names or do crap with the names, that's breaking the fourth wall, certainly. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:30, 8 March 2014 (EST)

Alright! Time to edit! {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}}
:WOAH, Hey! Then the credits of New Super Mario Bros. Wii is breaking the fourth wall as well! {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 21:22, 8 March 2014 (EST)

== Super Mario 64 ==

Are you sure that Mario is looking at the ''player''? I always thought Mario is looking at the Lakitu cameraman in the sky. [[Special:Contributions/27.24.190.107|27.24.190.107]] 21:42, 13 August 2014 (EDT)

== Toadette break the fourth wall ==

In the ending credits of the game, Toadette break the fourth wall when Captain Toad go for the green star. She look at the screen and say "Oh no!". Maybe we put this on the article. --[[User:LudwigVon|LudwigVon]] ([[User talk:LudwigVon|talk]]) 10:10, 18 January 2015 (EST)
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 I have a question about that one in Super Mario World. If coins are spelling a message to the player, is that really breaking the fourth wall? It's not a character who knows they're in a video game. It might just be a message from Nintendo. Anyone agree? Disagree? [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]]. Sorry about not signing before.
-{{Unsigned|CrystalYoshi}}
-:Sign your comments. Also, it breaks the fourth wall still because its a message from Nintendo to the player... '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' ...yeah.
+:Sign your comments. Also, it breaks the fourth wall still because its a message from Nintendo to the player... http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif ...yeah.
 That counts as breaking the fourth wall? It's not just when the character does it? Oh well. Now I know.[[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]] 20:43, 9 January 2008 (EST)... wait, there's something else. I just beat the game in Super Mario World (well actually, the GBA version), and at the ending party at Yoshi's house, I'm pretty sure Princess Peach was waving to me. Has anyone else noticed this? Beacause it should be in that section, as well as the row of coins. [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]] 07:56, 20 January 2008 (EST)
-I'm not sure, I do have the game (GBA), but I never noticed it.No, wait, I remember that '''everyone''' was waving yeah, remember that when they gather at the tree house and peach is waving and Mario and Luigi had 2 fingers up...[[File:MP3 GoldenMushroom.png]]--[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 12:03, 20 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]][[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]
+I'm not sure, I do have the game (GBA), but I never noticed it.No, wait, I remember that '''everyone''' was waving yeah, remember that when they gather at the tree house and peach is waving and Mario and Luigi had 2 fingers up...[[Image:MP3_GoldenMushroom.gif]]--[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 12:03, 20 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]][[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]
 [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]] 20:51, 21 January 2008 (EST) Yep, that's right. But we don't know if that happens in the original-- it probably does, but I don't have the guts to put it in myself. (Go to [[Talk: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]], and you'll see why not.)
-I could do it. [[File:MP3 GoldenMushroom.png]] --[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 15:38, 22 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]][[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]
+I could do it. [[Image:MP3_GoldenMushroom.gif]] --[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 15:38, 22 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]][[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]
-Hey, in Super smash bros. melee, when a player gets smashed into the T.v. screen, does that count as a fourth wall? [[File:MP3 GoldenMushroom.png]] --[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 18:09, 24 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] [[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]
+Hey, in Super smash bros. melee, when a player gets smashed into the T.v. screen, does that count as a fourth wall? [[Image:MP3_GoldenMushroom.gif]] --[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] 18:09, 24 January 2008 (EST)[[User:Super mario fan|Super mario fan]] [[Image:PeteyPiranhafliying.gif]]
 I guess so. (Actually, it would be breaking the fourth T.V. screen!) By the way, do we know that the Peach-waving-Mario-Luigi-two-fingers-up thing doesn't happen in the original? We'd have to ask someone who played the original. [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]]
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 How so? I don't see a single "possible" fourth wall breaking. [[User:Fludd|Fludd]] 18:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
-:One of the possiblies: [[Fourth wall#Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour|Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour]]. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
+:One of the possiblies: [[Fourth Wall#Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour|Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour]]. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
-Another possible fourth wall breaking is in the early [[Luigi's Mansion]]. Are you sure [[Luigi]] is looking at the player? he could just be looking back at the door. [[File:SMB3 Smallmario.png]][[User:Mariokid|Mariokid]][[File:SMB3 Smallmario.png]] ([[User talk:Mariokid|talk]]) 22:10, 6 February 2016 (EST)
 == Name Change? ==
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 Alright. But not today, my camera is missing. ~~Koopakoolklub
 ===The Long Awaited===
-[[File:Roy on a D.png|thumb|130px]]
+[[File:Roy on a D.JPG|thumb|130px]]
 Here. I will retake it if it's not good enough. {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 20:28, 8 March 2014 (EST)
 :It definitely is. Any time you break the names or do crap with the names, that's breaking the fourth wall, certainly. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:30, 8 March 2014 (EST)
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 == Toadette break the fourth wall ==
-In the ending credits of the game Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Toadette break the fourth wall when Captain Toad go for the green star. She look at the screen and say "Oh no!". Maybe we put this on the article. --[[User:LudwigVon|LudwigVon]] ([[User talk:LudwigVon|talk]]) 10:10, 18 January 2015 (EST)
+In the ending credits of the game, Toadette break the fourth wall when Captain Toad go for the green star. She look at the screen and say "Oh no!". Maybe we put this on the article. --[[User:LudwigVon|LudwigVon]] ([[User talk:LudwigVon|talk]]) 10:10, 18 January 2015 (EST)
-:Add it in the article then. But don't forget to use correct grammar. --[[User:Dfrthyui|Dfrthyui]] ([[User talk:Dfrthyui|talk]]) 10:14, 18 January 2015 (EST)
-== Luigi's Mansion 2 cover? ==
-[[File:LMDM box EU.jpg|thumb|200px]]
-Do you reckon that the cover of Luigi's Mansion 2 breaks the fourth wall? He's peering round the strip at the edge of the box that says ''Nintendo 3DS'', and his fingers actually go right around it. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 15:28, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
-== Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom ==
-I just had a thought..... the talking "Peach" at the beginning of Superstar saga  and it's remake..... Isn't that kind of breaking the fourth wall? I mean the game kind of aknowledges the text boxes (as the bombs fall out of said boxes and actually explode)[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 17:38, 13 March 2018 (EDT)
-== Looking at the screen ==
-I'm thinking we should start trimming down instances of characters looking at the screen as fourth wall breaking. Two of the examples that stood out to me are victory animations where the character looks at the screen in the Mario Golf series, and Paper Mario giving a thumbs up to the screen after an excellent action in Paper Jam (note that he makes this pose in other Paper Mario games and it isn't mentioned). Basically, I just think we should use our judgment and the context a bit more in these cases. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 17:04, May 3, 2020 (EDT)
-:Seconded, this is a problem with a lot of "trope" articles on the wiki, they attract examples with very "people sit on chairs" energy (or in this specific case, probably "the aside glance exists"). I've given thought to pruning some of these articles for that reason and have done so already in a few cases. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 04:21, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
-::Thirded. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 06:28, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
-I think this article should mainly stick to stuff like the "you in front of the TV" from TTYD or the cracking the screen from Superstar Saga & Dream Team. [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 06:35, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
-== Patch it in ya cowards ==
-would this be counted as breaking  the fourth wall? Around the end of Origami King, after Luigi falls down the trap door Mario fell through in the begining if instead of following Peach you go to the door on the right (left leads to where Luigi's wall came from) the door will be open and Boswer says there's probably nothing on the otherside before saying patch in the rest of the castle. now unless I'm missing something, and the way he says it. it kind of seems like he's talking to the developers, telling them to update the game.[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 23:26, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
-:([https://youtu.be/UVofL-S9Sh4?t=176 The quote in question]) I think so since it wouldn't make as much sense in-universe. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 02:26, July 27, 2020 (EDT)
-== Possible Move? ==
-I think this page should be moved to "List of fourth wall breaks". Do you think so?{{unsigned|Mariofan28047}}
-:That may be the main purpose of this article, although considering that it also explains what the fourth wall is in the intro, I think it would be better to leave it as is. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 14:35, February 13, 2024 (EST)
-::I agree with a move. It's a more helpful name for the article, as this article is pretty much a descriptive list. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 17:23, February 14, 2024 (EST)