Editing Talk:Fluff (object)

{{@|Nintendo101}} Are they representations of dandelions in the ''Super Mario'' franchise? [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 15:29, May 25, 2024 (EDT)
:I think everything within a fictional medium that is derived from a real-life base is intuitively understood to be a representation of "X", and it is not a helpful clarification. The vast majority of the site is dedicated to fictional subjects. The only ones that are not, like those for the developers or voice actors, are readily apparent. For this case, a recurring fictional flower, it is the equivalent of saying "Donkey Kong is a representative of a gorilla in the ''Super Mario'' franchise", rather than saying "Donkey Kong is a gorilla in the ''Super Mario'' franchise". Nothing is lost, and it flows better. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:13, May 25, 2024 (EDT)

== Split Fluff and Floaty Fluff ==

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I don't think these should be merged; one is a gigantic dandelion seed-like object that can be latched onto and ridden, the other's a realistically sized dandelion-like plant that can be puffed out for an item. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:52, December 30, 2024 (EST)
:I would review the history of this subject's nomenclature. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 20:12, December 30, 2024 (EST)
::Yes? The "floating/floaty" and "fuwafuwa" ones are pretty clearly defined. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:54, December 30, 2024 (EST)
:::The ones from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' (large floating seed, similar to the ones from ''Galaxy'', that go by "フワフワわたげ" in-game) and ''Super Mario 3D Land'' (the little naturalistic-looking dandelions) both go by わたげ (Watage) in the encyclopedia. Is the one from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' the same subject as the ones from the ''Galaxy'' games or the ones from ''3D Land'' and ''3D World''? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:27, December 31, 2024 (EST)
::::The one in the Galaxy games, of course, since they're huge seeds that float through the air while you hang onto them, being blown from one place to another. The SM3DL-onward one is just a stylized-but-otherwise-normal dandelion. Remember what you yourself said regarding the SMB3 cannons, and how it would be more appropriate to split the "forward" ones despite them being treated as the "normal" cannons for that game (and thus sharing the name with the later games' diagonal ones). And in this case, one is borderline-generic and the other is entirely fictitious; this would be like including an appearance of a [[Barrel Cannon]] in the normal [[barrel]] article in a game that simply listed it as "barrel." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:42, December 31, 2024 (EST)
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 ::Yes? The "floating/floaty" and "fuwafuwa" ones are pretty clearly defined. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:54, December 30, 2024 (EST)
 :::The ones from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' (large floating seed, similar to the ones from ''Galaxy'', that go by "フワフワわたげ" in-game) and ''Super Mario 3D Land'' (the little naturalistic-looking dandelions) both go by わたげ (Watage) in the encyclopedia. Is the one from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' the same subject as the ones from the ''Galaxy'' games or the ones from ''3D Land'' and ''3D World''? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:27, December 31, 2024 (EST)
-::::The one in the Galaxy games, of course, since they're huge seeds that float through the air while you hang onto them, being blown from one place to another. The SM3DL-onward one is just a stylized-but-otherwise-normal dandelion. Remember what you yourself said regarding the SMB3 cannons, and how it would be more appropriate to split the "forward" ones despite them being treated as the "normal" cannons for that game (and thus sharing the name with the later games' diagonal ones). And in this case, one is borderline-generic and the other is entirely fictitious; this would be like including an appearance of a [[Barrel Cannon]] in the normal [[barrel]] article in a game that simply listed it as "barrel," in my view. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:42, December 31, 2024 (EST)
+::::The one in the Galaxy games, of course, since they're huge seeds that float through the air while you hang onto them, being blown from one place to another. The SM3DL-onward one is just a stylized-but-otherwise-normal dandelion. Remember what you yourself said regarding the SMB3 cannons, and how it would be more appropriate to split the "forward" ones despite them being treated as the "normal" cannons for that game (and thus sharing the name with the later games' diagonal ones). And in this case, one is borderline-generic and the other is entirely fictitious; this would be like including an appearance of a [[Barrel Cannon]] in the normal [[barrel]] article in a game that simply listed it as "barrel." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:42, December 31, 2024 (EST)
-:::::I think the difference here is that there is no game that includes both small, naturalistic dandelions and one that including the larger, wind-borne dandelions, so I don’t see as much of a conflict here. I understand this to be more of an conceptual evolution of what constitutes as a "Fluff" in the 3D platformers. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:06, December 31, 2024 (EST)
-::::::They are totally different things that happen to be based on the same real-life subject, one of which only loosely; they have about as much in common as either do with [[banandelion]]. I sincerely doubt that when they designed/developed the object in SM3DL, they had the thing that Mario clings to in mind. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:58, December 31, 2024 (EST)
-:::::::I do think at least the Galaxy one where Mario rides on should be split off. The naming scheme is pretty distinct, "Floaty Fluff". That one just seem to have pretty clearly defined gameplay function, name, and appearance. I'm not sure where that leaves the Sunshine one, but since that doesn't have a particularly specific name I do think it's fine for now to leave it merged with the pretty and cute ambient ones. 🍃 {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:13, January 10, 2025 (EST)
-::::::::Think is, function-wise, the Galaxy one and the Sunshine one are two peas in a pod - or would that be two seeds on a flower? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:40, January 10, 2025 (EST)
-:::::::::That's fine too if the Sunshine one is merged with the Galaxy one, just on function. {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:57, January 10, 2025 (EST)