Editing Talk:Flame thrower (Flame Chomp)

==Move Super Mario 64 DS Flame Chomp info over to Kuromame or Merge==

We currently list the ''Super Mario 64'' Kuromame as having been replaced by the ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Flame Chomp. This seems to be the idea spread around by [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%E3%81%AE%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7#.E3.82.B9.E3.83.BC.E3.83.91.E3.83.BC.E3.83.9E.E3.83.AA.E3.82.AA64 some] [http://ja.mario.wikia.com/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA64 wiki] [http://wikiwiki.jp/23237/?%A5%B9%A1%BC%A5%D1%A1%BC%A5%DE%A5%EA%A5%AA64 sources,] but it's hard to find anything solid. Kuromame don't even have a relation to Flame Chomps in other appearances, and there's nothing separating the two besides the newer face paint. On the other hand, we don't have a good source on the Kuromame name in the first place, so alternatively I'm leaving the option open to simply merging the two - although as mentioned, just as we don't have a more direct source calling these enemies Kuromame, we don't really have anything calling them Flame Chomps, either.

==Move ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Flame Chomp info and/or Kuromame over to Keronpa Ball==

The previous proposal above failed to reach consensus; however, new information has come to light that warrants revisiting this subject. In ''Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook'', better known as ''[[Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.]]'', another name for these objects has been found on page 92: 「ケロンパボール」 ''Keronpa Bōru'', or '''Flame Chomp Ball'''. Since the book covers ''Super Mario 64'' and not ''Super Mario 64 DS'', this seems to be a deliberate attempt at renaming and mixing both appearances of the original Kuromame and the odd Keronpa (or what would be translated as Flame Chomp). The first proposal option renames Kuromame to Keronpa Ball and adds Flame Chomp's ''Super Mario 64 DS'' section to this article, treating the design difference as aesthetic like we do for others such as Bub, Bubba and Snufit, and the second proposal option renames Kuromame to Keronpa Ball but keeps Keronpa separate. Either way, if and when the English version of ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' comes out, it will be moved once again to the new localization.

===Move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp section here and rename article to Keronpa Ball===

#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per proposal; the intention behind the newer name seems clear, otherwise the old name likely would have been left as-is.

===Rename Kuromame to Keronpa Ball but do not move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp section===

#{{User|Alex95}} - Main problem I have with merging is that the object in ''SM64DS'' is very obviously a Flame Chomp. I'm all for the rename, but the merge doesn't work for me.

===Comments===

@Alex95 - In every other appearance, Flame Chomps always have a chain of fireball projectiles and float around before combusting. In ''Super Mario 64 DS'', it's still a single immobile ball that generates fire as in the original game, only with a graphical update in the form of a face. If it weren't for noticing that a Japanese guide had the name Keronpa, we probably wouldn't think twice about it. Another thing is that ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' doesn't cover ''Super Mario 64 DS'' information in the ''Super Mario 64'' section (ie. [[Snufit#Names in other languages|Snufit]] is still called by its original name instead of the new one), so there's likely more to it than just a name change. Basically, Kuromame apparently had nothing to do with Flame Chomps in the 64 version, but the change to Keronpa Ball appears to be consciously due to the DS version. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:00, 1 December 2017 (EST)

:It's possible that the Keronpa Ball can be a derivative of a Flame Chomp rather than actually be a Flame Chomp. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:05, 1 December 2017 (EST)