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==Move Super Mario 64 DS Flame Chomp info over to Kuromame or Merge== | ==Move Super Mario 64 DS Flame Chomp info over to Kuromame or Merge== | ||
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We currently list the ''Super Mario 64'' Kuromame as having been replaced by the ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Flame Chomp. This seems to be the idea spread around by [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%E3%81%AE%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7#.E3.82.B9.E3.83.BC.E3.83.91.E3.83.BC.E3.83.9E.E3.83.AA.E3.82.AA64 some] [http://ja.mario.wikia.com/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA64 wiki] [http://wikiwiki.jp/23237/?%A5%B9%A1%BC%A5%D1%A1%BC%A5%DE%A5%EA%A5%AA64 sources,] but it's hard to find anything solid. Kuromame don't even have a relation to Flame Chomps in other appearances, and there's nothing separating the two besides the newer face paint. On the other hand, we don't have a good source on the Kuromame name in the first place, so alternatively I'm leaving the option open to simply merging the two - although as mentioned, just as we don't have a more direct source calling these enemies Kuromame, we don't really have anything calling them Flame Chomps, either. | We currently list the ''Super Mario 64'' Kuromame as having been replaced by the ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Flame Chomp. This seems to be the idea spread around by [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%E3%81%AE%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7#.E3.82.B9.E3.83.BC.E3.83.91.E3.83.BC.E3.83.9E.E3.83.AA.E3.82.AA64 some] [http://ja.mario.wikia.com/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA64 wiki] [http://wikiwiki.jp/23237/?%A5%B9%A1%BC%A5%D1%A1%BC%A5%DE%A5%EA%A5%AA64 sources,] but it's hard to find anything solid. Kuromame don't even have a relation to Flame Chomps in other appearances, and there's nothing separating the two besides the newer face paint. On the other hand, we don't have a good source on the Kuromame name in the first place, so alternatively I'm leaving the option open to simply merging the two - although as mentioned, just as we don't have a more direct source calling these enemies Kuromame, we don't really have anything calling them Flame Chomps, either. | ||
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==Move ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Flame Chomp info and/or Kuromame over to Keronpa Ball== | ==Move ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Flame Chomp info and/or Kuromame over to Keronpa Ball== | ||
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The previous proposal above failed to reach consensus; however, new information has come to light that warrants revisiting this subject. In ''Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook'', better known as ''[[Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.]]'', another name for these objects has been found on page 92: 「ケロンパボール」 ''Keronpa Bōru'', or '''Flame Chomp Ball'''. Since the book covers ''Super Mario 64'' and not ''Super Mario 64 DS'', this seems to be a deliberate attempt at renaming and mixing both appearances of the original Kuromame and the odd Keronpa (or what would be translated as Flame Chomp). The first proposal option renames Kuromame to Keronpa Ball and adds Flame Chomp's ''Super Mario 64 DS'' section to this article, treating the design difference as aesthetic like we do for others such as Bub, Bubba and Snufit, and the second proposal option renames Kuromame to Keronpa Ball but keeps Keronpa separate. Either way, if and when the English version of ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' comes out, it will be moved once again to the new localization. | The previous proposal above failed to reach consensus; however, new information has come to light that warrants revisiting this subject. In ''Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook'', better known as ''[[Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.]]'', another name for these objects has been found on page 92: 「ケロンパボール」 ''Keronpa Bōru'', or '''Flame Chomp Ball'''. Since the book covers ''Super Mario 64'' and not ''Super Mario 64 DS'', this seems to be a deliberate attempt at renaming and mixing both appearances of the original Kuromame and the odd Keronpa (or what would be translated as Flame Chomp). The first proposal option renames Kuromame to Keronpa Ball and adds Flame Chomp's ''Super Mario 64 DS'' section to this article, treating the design difference as aesthetic like we do for others such as Bub, Bubba and Snufit, and the second proposal option renames Kuromame to Keronpa Ball but keeps Keronpa separate. Either way, if and when the English version of ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' comes out, it will be moved once again to the new localization. | ||
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===Move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp section here and rename article to Keronpa Ball=== | ===Move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp section here and rename article to Keronpa Ball=== | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per proposal; the intention behind the newer name seems clear, otherwise the old name likely would have been left as-is. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per proposal; the intention behind the newer name seems clear, otherwise the old name likely would have been left as-is. | ||
===Rename Kuromame to Keronpa Ball but do not move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp section=== | ===Rename Kuromame to Keronpa Ball but do not move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp section=== | ||
#{{User|Alex95}} - Main problem I have with merging is that the object in ''SM64DS'' is very obviously a Flame Chomp. I'm all for the rename, but the merge doesn't work for me. | #{{User|Alex95}} - Main problem I have with merging is that the object in ''SM64DS'' is very obviously a Flame Chomp. I'm all for the rename, but the merge doesn't work for me. | ||
===Do not rename Kuromame to Keronpa Ball and do not move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp | ===Do not rename Kuromame to Keronpa Ball and do not move ''SM64DS'' Flame Chomp separate=== | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||