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Expresso II's [[Scrapbook]] picture in [[Donkey Kong Country 2]] states his name as Expresso. Should this be merged to Expresso then? {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 12:26, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

:Create a proposal. {{User:Supremo78/sig}}


==Merge to Expresso==
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Like what I said above, Expresso II's scrapbook picture states his name as Expresso, not Expresso II. Expresso II was obviously made up, I think it should be merged. If the scrapbook states it, that means the game states it, and that also means their names are identical. Obviously Expresso II was mistaken for Expresso.

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'''Proposer''': {{User|DKPetey99}}<br>
'''Deadline''': July 9, 2011, 23:59 GMT

===Merge to [[Expresso]]===
<s>{{User|DKPetey99}} Like what I said, if the game states it, it has to be true.</s>
<s>{{User|Supremo78}} Per proposal.</s>
<s>{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} The name is official if it is listed ingame. The only reason we named it Expresso II is because there was no other source other than the scrapbook claiming that these two birds are the same. Since the scrapbook from the game indeed lists this bird's name as "Expresso", then that is what its name should be. Therefore, this deserves a merge.</s>
#{{User|Zero777}} I don't think Nintendo will make the naming as complex as M4E said, per all.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per BabyLuigiOnFire.

===Keep Expresso II with Expresso===
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} People who are named after others in their family aren't addressed by the number. It's more reasonable to assume that Cranky found a replacement for Expresso and named it Expresso in memory of the bird (especially if one considers the time between the SNES version of the game and the remake. This could be a means of demonstrating in-game that time has passed, as was done with ''[[Super Mario 64 DS]]''), adding the II so as not to confuse the Kongs, than it is to assume that it is the same bird. The number would only be important if they were placed side-by-side, as it would serve as a means to distinguish them.
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per Mario4Ever.
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} you have no evidence to suggest that they are the same thing considering how Expresso II is smaller than Expresso
#{{User|Nicke8}} Per Mario4ever.
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} Per Mario4Ever.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per M4E!
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} As shown in my comments, they are two different birds with the same name. I actually think this article should be renamed to "Expresso (Donkey Kong Country 2)", since that is his official name.
#{{User|Xzelion}} &ndash; Per Fawfulfury65.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Fawfulfury65.
#{{User|DKPetey99}} Even though this is my proposal, I have no more argument. Per FF65. I want to move it to Expresso the Ostrich (Donkey Kong Country 2).
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Per all, except for Mario4Ever. Sorry, but your reasoning is pretty...weird. And I agree renaming to Expresso (Donkey Kong Country 2)
#{{User|Supremo78}} Per Fawfulfury65.

===Comments===
@Mario4Ever, you are speculating, you don't have an official source. I just looked at the scrapbook picture of [[Expresso]]. Where's your source? {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 12:41, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
You're still speculating. You're saying "assume" many times. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 12:45, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
:Stating that the name Expresso II was made up just because the II was dropped from the Scrapbook is an assumption in itself. How do you know it wasn't an oversight? {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
::The name Expresso II is conjectural itself because no official source lists this name. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}

@Goomba's Shoe15: Page 13 of the Scrapbook. Look at the so-called Expresso II's name: Expresso. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 13:23, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
:The scrapbook does say its name is Expresso. I remember a year ago I was planning on making a proposal about this myself but I thought it out and changed by mind. I can't remember my reasoning on why, though. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}

I would also like to note that when "Expresso II" races, the minigame is called [[Expresso Racing|'''Expresso''' Racing]]. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 14:02, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
:So? It's a catchier name than "Expresso II Racing." There is nothing to support the claim that the name of the mini-game is the intended name of the bird. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
::And there nothing to support that it is called "Expresso II Racing" either. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}

Look at [[Expresso]]'s trophy from Brawl, it says he appears in ''[[Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest]]''. They are the same and Mario4Ever, you are speculating ''' a lot'''. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 07:02, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

The Expresso in this game and the one in the first DKC are in fact different characters. After playing the game for a couple of minutes, I found out that, according to Cranky, Expresso II is a bird that he got with his wealth from DKC. Before you begin to race, Cranky names the bird "Expresso". They are two different ostriches with the same name. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}

I have no argument now, so I remove my vote. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 09:21, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
:I actually agree with FF65: Move it to "Expresso (Donkey Kong Country 2)". {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 11:56, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
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==Move to {{fakelink|Expresso (Donkey Kong Country 2)}}==
{{TPP}}
During the events of the proposal above, it was revealed that [[Expresso the Ostrich]] is different than [[Expresso II]]. Now, since their names are the same, I say we move this name to "Expresso (Donkey Kong Country 2)". And this is not my idea, Fawfulfury65 first stated we should do this.

'''Proposer''': {{User|DKPetey99}}<br>
'''Deadline''': July 25, 2011, 23:59 GMT

===Move the Name===
#{{User|DKPetey99}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Sounds like a per DKP is an order! Move it!
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Expresso II's official name, found in the game, is simply Expresso, and he is a different bird than the Expresso from DKC.
#{{User|Cleanup Guy}} Fictional name. Move.
#{{User|Supremo78}} Like FF65 said in the above proposal, it would just be easier to move it.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all.
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Per all
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per FF65.
#{{User|Mariomario64}} &ndash; Per those who per FF65.
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} &ndash; Per Fawful Fury 65
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per all.

===Keep the Name===
===Comments===
The comments in the first proposal seemed to indicate he was only called "Expresso", not "Expresso the Ostrich", so shouldn't the new name just be "Expresso (Donkey Kong Count 2)"? - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 11:51, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
:Yes, but he is an animal buddy. Each animal buddy (except for Nibbla) has their species after their name. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 11:54, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
::He's not a normal animal buddy: he's not used in the levels, but in a single minigame. But either way, it doesn't matter what everything else is called; what matters is what ''this'' character was called, and by the sounds of it, he was called "Expresso". Calling him anything else is an assumption on our part. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 16:02, 13 July 2011 (EDT)