Editing Talk:Emblem

== Image quality ==

A lot of the images on this page are of terrible quality. Plus, is a page like this needed? We can say on each character article what their emblem is. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}

:I think it's quite interesting to know all the characters emblems in just one page. Sorry, but I couldn't find find better images :(
You can contribute to improve this page, if you want. -- {{User|tanoomba-chan}}

== An infobox? ==

Do we need an infobox for this? If so, what picture will it have? {{User:DaisyLuigi/sig}}

:We don't need an infobox, but we can put an emblem up there... let me see what we can use. I know I'm a bit inclined to use Mario, but I'm going for another thing. {{User:Mario/sig}} 22:03, 30 March 2014 (EDT)

== Emblem List ==

Where did it go? It seems to have disappeared with the most recent edit. Was this on purpose, or was it a mistake? [[User:J-Yoshi64|J-Yoshi64]] ([[User talk:J-Yoshi64|talk]]) 17:20, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
:On purpose. We have a list of images, so a description is pretty much redundant. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:29, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't like the lists bogging down this article. Ideally, I want this article to be a gallery ex-subpage akin to [[Gallery:Sponsors in the Mario Kart series]]. But feel free to readd information not covered by the galleries. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:59, 20 September 2015 (EDT)

==M&SOWG Emblems==
In Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games, the DS version at least, Emblems are achievements. Should we include this? [[File:MP8Mario.png|25px]][[User:MarioKid|MarioKid]] ([[User talk:MarioKid|Talk]]) [[File:Luigi mp8 profile.png|25px]] 10:10, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

==Mario Kart 8 Deluxe==
The MK8D emblems are needed (Dry Bones, Bowser Jr., King Boo, Gold Mario and the Inklings) <span style="color:green">[[User:B ron 3000|'''B ron''']] [[User talk: B ron 3000|'''3000''']]</span> [[File:MP9 Luigi Icon.png]] 13:54, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
:They're not ripped yet, mostly because as of now, the Switch is unhackable. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:56, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
::So you're saying it can't be ripped? <span style="color:green">[[User:B ron 3000|'''B ron''']] [[User talk: B ron 3000|'''3000''']]</span> [[File:MP9 Luigi Icon.png|x35px]]  13:19, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

== Bowser's Emblem debut ==

What was the first game Bowser's Emblem appeared in? This article says Mario Kart DS, but I'm pretty sure it's in earlier games. Thanks [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 12:27, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
:IIRC, it first appeared in Super Mario 64. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:18, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks a bunch :) [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 21:29, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

== Emblems from other games ==

I think more emblems should be added here, specifically from:
    

• Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games

• Every Mario Tennis game after the original (Aces, Ultra Smash, Open, Power Tennis)

• Possibly Mario Kart Tour?


Most of those have recycled emblems, but I think representing multiple newer games will make this page more complete. [[User:Jackson K.|Jackson K.]] ([[User talk:Jackson K.|talk]]) 14:49, October 25, 2019 (EDT)
:The list in this page is supposed to have all uses of emblems, so yes. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 15:10, October 28, 2019 (EDT) 

Yes we need the emblems from the newest olympics since for example it has at least one new one like Eggman Nega’s for example [[Special:Contributions/35.136.185.103|35.136.185.103]]

== Mario Kart Tour Emblem Order? ==

Should the emblems be from (Normal-Super-High End) or (Super-Normal-High End)? Currently, they are the former. [[User:ReedyBuilder|ReedyBuilder]] ([[User talk:ReedyBuilder|talk]]) 18:15, December 1, 2019 (EST)
:Normal-Super-High End should suffice. After all, for the ''Mario Kart Wii'' page and section on this page, we technically start with the light characters. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 03:43, July 23, 2020 (EDT)

==''Dr. Mario World'' Placed Last?==
Is there a reason ''Dr. Mario World'' is placed after ''Mario Kart Tour'' even though it was released first? If it's because the flags were added to ''Dr. Mario World'' after the release of ''Tour'', then I could understand. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 03:43, July 23, 2020 (EDT)

== Does ''Mario Kart: Double Dash!!'' actually have emblems? ==

I've ripped the textures for each and every kart present in ''Mario Kart: Double Dash!!'' so I could add their emblems to the page. Thing is, what exactly are the emblems in this game? Some karts such as the Red Fire have obvious emblem placement, while others like the Piranha Pipe don't at all. Not only that, but you also have the plates in which the second driver stands which have some sort of insignia akin to emblems in them, which often doesn't actually match the emblems for the characters in following games.
What do? --[[File:Spiny_Shell.png]]'''<span style="color:#0000FF">[[User_talk:Superstarxalien169|Superstarxalien169]]</span>'''[[File:Spiny_Shell_Reverse.png]] 10:16, September 5, 2020 (EDT)
:I think Mario Kart DS was where karts started to have emblems on them. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
::This very article says that it originated in Mario Kart: Double Dash, after an absence from Mario Tennis, so... --[[File:Spiny_Shell.png]]'''<span style="color:#0000FF">[[User_talk:Superstarxalien169|Superstarxalien169]]</span>'''[[File:Spiny_Shell_Reverse.png]] 18:50, September 5, 2020 (EDT)
:::I know every kart has an emblem on the back platform, so that definitely counts. We could just say that certain karts also have emblems elsewhere on the kart body, which would serve as the basis for emblem placement in future ''Mario Kart'' games. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 18:58, September 5, 2020 (EDT)
::::[https://www.textures-resource.com/gamecube/mariokartdoubledash/texture/12576/ I've finished ripping every kart texture and uploading it into The Textures Resource.] From here on we can figure out what should count as an emblem for the sake of this page.
::::whoops, forgot to sign --[[File:Spiny_Shell.png]]'''<span style="color:#0000FF">[[User_talk:Superstarxalien169|Superstarxalien169]]</span>'''[[File:Spiny_Shell_Reverse.png]] 12:45, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
::::I'm thinking that the image on the back platform, and every other emblem-like image, should count for our emblem page. It's just that, since it was the first game to use emblems, they're not necessarily consistent with later emblems. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 15:38, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for uploading these for the ''Double Dash'' emblems. I was just wondering if it would be possible to also upload the blue M and green L from the Baby Mario Bros' kart, and the front mustache decal and back platform from the Wario Car? I greatly appreciate the work that you've done to get these textures and emblems uploaded to the Wiki! [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:36, September 10, 2020 (EDT)
::::::I had already uploaded the [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Mkdd_baby_mario_emblem_2.png blue M] and [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Mkdd_baby_luigi_emblem.png green L] before, I just didn't include them on the gallery because I could already mention instead that Baby Mario and Baby Luigi reuse Mario and Luigi's emblems respectively, and the color alteration doesn't mean much other than simply having to fit the karts' color schemes.
::::::As for the Wario Car stuff, I don't ''really'' think they count as emblems moreso than just the pre-existing design of the Wario Car from WL4: [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Mkdd_wario_car_mark.png in the case of the front mustache decal], that was already there in WL4, while [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Mkdd_wario_emblem.png the back platform] doesn't really match the rest of the karts' platforms, it really looks more like a natural extension of the car itself to me, so I'm dubious about it counting as an emblem. I've also uploaded [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Mkdd_parade_kart_platform_mark.png the Parade Kart's platform insignia] just in case you also considered that to be an emblem, though maybe we shouldn't include it as every other emblem listing in the article is limited to characters and/or teams of characters. --[[File:Spiny_Shell.png]]'''<span style="color:#0000FF">[[User_talk:Superstarxalien169|Superstarxalien169]]</span>'''[[File:Spiny_Shell_Reverse.png]] 15:42, September 11, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Oh yeah, I should also note that, at least for the kart emblem section, I'm going for "emblems" that subsequently became actual emblems in Mario Kart Tour; you'll notice that the emblems listed for Koopa, Paratroopa, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and Bowser's karts all became actual emblems in Tour, and I'm expecting the same to go with Mario, Luigi, both Baby Mario and Baby Luigi's flower and letter emblems, and Waluigi. While Peach and Daisy's emblem locations probably won't be reused for actual emblems in Tour, they're really the only emblem design they have there, and it matches with the back platform, so I'm counting that as well. --[[File:Spiny_Shell.png]]'''<span style="color:#0000FF">[[User_talk:Superstarxalien169|Superstarxalien169]]</span>'''[[File:Spiny_Shell_Reverse.png]] 15:51, September 11, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::The mustache decal is understandable, I just thought that since it resembles Wario's mustache (which itself is used as his emblem in ''Mario Tennis Open'') that we might add it to the list. I'll still add in the back platform emblems (save the Parade Kart) and the Baby Mario Bros' version of M and L since those platform emblems are the first real instance of proper symbols for each racer (but even this wasn't consistent, due to the shell karts and Barrel Train), whereas the Baby Mario Bros never actually use the red and green M&L in this game. We might want to retroactively apply the current rules (that the Baby Mario Bros generally share their emblem with the adult bros), but this kind of "historical development" should still be noted. After all, Baby Mario never again used his lowercase "m" emblem from ''Mario Tennis'', but that doesn't mean we shouldn't include it here. Again, many thanks for your work in uploading these! [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 20:04, September 11, 2020 (EDT)

== List of character emblems ==
{{talk}}
This is a good idea. I can't get an idea on what counts as an emblem that is valid enough to be displayed on the list, though. Currently, the list is missing emblems for Koopa Kid, Metal Mario and Pink Gold Peach, the Sonic characters that appear in the Mario & Sonic series, the Namco Bandai characters that appear in the Mario Kart Arcade GP series, and the humans that are playable in the N64 version of Mario Tennis. Do we add all of those? We have Fly Guy, Gooper Blooper, Link, and even Fawful in there, after all.
For characters already on the list, shouldn't "emblems" from Mario Kart: Double Dash!! also be counted? It has some unique icons for characters like Peach and Bowser Jr.. --{{User:Superstarxalien169/sig}} 20:05, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
:I would like to add that I think the list should be in a more concrete order. The current arbitrary grouping of characters by affiliation is...arbitrary, for example, if someone were curious about Baby Peach's emblem, how would they know to go to the end of the ''Mario'' characters, right before the crossover characters? It should be probably be organized chronologically (order of character or emblem appearance), or by priority (perhaps which emblems appear in main series games or spin-offs), or alphabetically. It's just hard to navigate to find the pertinent information. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:05, September 26, 2024 (EDT)

==Split the gallery==
Now that we've done much digging to scope out all the appearances of emblems in the series (with more yet to come), the gallery has ballooned in size, and loading the entire page is quite taxing due to the multitude of images to load. I think the gallery can be split off from the main page now, that way we can have the most modern/frequently-used emblem on the main page and then the gallery can contain all the historical emblems categorized by game. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:05, September 26, 2024 (EDT)
:I'd be in favor if we did this. The page is already pretty taxing on my computer due to the sheer number of images to load. [[User:BMfan08|BMfan08]] ([[User talk:BMfan08|talk]]) 14:13, November 2, 2024 (EDT)

== Kiddy Kong ==

In [[The Super Mario Bros. Movie]] [[Kiddy Kong]] appears in (possibly) his [[kart]]. In the [[kart]] there's blue "circle" with a white circle and white things around the white circle. I think that might be an [[emblem]]. See:
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File:KiddyKongTSMBM.png
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{{unsigned|Weegie baby}}

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:Looking at it again, it kind of just looks like a part of the kart to me. It's hard to say due to how small it is. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 03:06, November 4, 2024 (EST)

== Mario Wonder ==

In [[Super Mario Bros. Wonder|Superb Mairo Siblings Phenomenon]], after you finish a level and finish it [[Dave|again]], there's a different emblem ( and this is an emblem for ''' ''SURE'' ''') appears in the [[Goal Pole|goal pole]]. I think this might be the {{fake link|wonder}} emblem or the [[poplin]] emblem, but I dunno.
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File:SMBW Bulrush stampede.jpg|I couldn't find any other picture.
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See the emblem? [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 12:15, November 4, 2024 (EST)

:Since this page is focused on character emblems, since it's unclear if it's meant for a character or as a general symbol (such as to represent the Flower Kingdom as a whole), we'll just leave it for now. But if this emblem returns and is associated with a character, such as Poplin or Prince Florian, then we can retroactively note its appearance in ''Wonder''. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 17:33, November 4, 2024 (EST)

::Yeah, but it was requested for all the emblems for the cast presentation for the [[The Super Mario Bros. Movie|Mario Movie]] (including the [[Question Mark Block|Question Block]]) to be added, soooooo... [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 07:47, November 7, 2024 (EST)

== Kinopio-kun ==

In a drawing by [[Kinopio-kun]] he signed with an emblem.
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File:Kinopio-kun Hammer Bro painting.jpg
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[[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 07:43, November 7, 2024 (EST)
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 Now that we've done much digging to scope out all the appearances of emblems in the series (with more yet to come), the gallery has ballooned in size, and loading the entire page is quite taxing due to the multitude of images to load. I think the gallery can be split off from the main page now, that way we can have the most modern/frequently-used emblem on the main page and then the gallery can contain all the historical emblems categorized by game. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:05, September 26, 2024 (EDT)
 :I'd be in favor if we did this. The page is already pretty taxing on my computer due to the sheer number of images to load. [[User:BMfan08|BMfan08]] ([[User talk:BMfan08|talk]]) 14:13, November 2, 2024 (EDT)
-::[[Gallery:Emblem|Done]]. Probably should've happened a while ago anyway. {{User:Arend/sig}} 15:10, November 22, 2024 (EST)
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 :Since this page is focused on character emblems, since it's unclear if it's meant for a character or as a general symbol (such as to represent the Flower Kingdom as a whole), we'll just leave it for now. But if this emblem returns and is associated with a character, such as Poplin or Prince Florian, then we can retroactively note its appearance in ''Wonder''. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 17:33, November 4, 2024 (EST)
-::Yeah, but it was requested for all the emblems for the cast presentation for the [[The Super Mario Bros. Movie|Mario Movie]] (including the [[? Block|Question Block]]) to be added, soooooo... [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 07:48, November 7, 2024 (EST)
+::Yeah, but it was requested for all the emblems for the cast presentation for the [[The Super Mario Bros. Movie|Mario Movie]] (including the [[Question Mark Block|Question Block]]) to be added, soooooo... [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 07:47, November 7, 2024 (EST)
-:::It's only a request. The scope of the page (based on the opening text) is for character emblems, otherwise we'd have to include all the emblems for Mii gear in ''Mario Tennis Open'' and ''Mario Golf: World Tour'', for example. And nobody's even uploaded all the Mario movie emblems yet anyhow. I don't believe it's conducive to include ''all'' those emblems on this page anyway, because, well, the ? Block's emblem is just a ? Block itself, as an example. The gallery would be even more bloated. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 00:57, November 9, 2024 (EST)
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 [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 07:43, November 7, 2024 (EST)
-== Is Diddy Kong’s Super Nintendo World Emblem really orange?==
-With all due respect there could be a case of red-green colorblind people mistaking the letters for orange, especially since red- green colorblindness is the most common form of colorblindness. I know that I don’t have color blindness (having done some online tests myself along with the fact that no doctor has diagnosed me with it) and I can clearly see it’s meant to be red, and it makes sense since red is one of Diddy Kong’s main colors. (I can also tell it’s a lighter shade of red, although it could be the color red orange as well) I feel there needs to be a discussion with many people here on what the color actually is, so that we can find out for sure on who is right. Especially since I was the one who added the section in the first place
-[[User:Wario876|Wario876]] ([[User talk: Wario876|talk]]) 5:32, November 25, 2024
-:Sampling a color indicates it's a red-orange. From one pixel (variable because the image I sampled from [[:File:SNW Diddy Kong Power-Up Band Emblem.png]], doesn't have ideal quality and has compression artifacts), it's #EC543C; I show #E40011, red sampled from [[:File:MKT 161CB.png]]; and #EE7800, orange (from Daisy's emblem, [[:File:MKT 159CB.png]]). (<span style="background-color:#EC543C">______</span><span style="background-color:#E40011">______</span><span style="background-color:#EE7800">______</span>). And this is Diddy's color next to Daisy's color: <span style="background-color:#EC543C">______</span><span style="background-color:#EE7800">______</span>, and I'll show the these three so people can determine which is closer: <span style="background-color:#E40011">______</span><span style="background-color:#EC543C">______</span><span style="background-color:#EE7800">______</span> Orange seems closer to me, though it looks light red in this context. That being said, people's color perception does change due to surrounding color (see [https://www.richardmehl.com/playingwithcolorbook/2013/2/19/color-illusion color illusion]) as well as computer monitor calibration, so the surrounding yellow can alter how the orange is perceived, so I'm going to show Diddy's color next to yellow sampled from his logo (#F1DF19) just for an idea. (<span style="background-color:#EC543C">______</span><span style="background-color:#F1DF19">______</span>) {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:17, November 25, 2024 (EST)