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==Merge Young Professor E. Gadd with Professor E. Gadd==
==Merge Young Professor E. Gadd with Professor E. Gadd==
{{settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|passed|7-3|merge}}
 
Disagreement may come to the table here, but I have some logical reasoning why these should be merged. Listen very carefully.
Disagreement may come to the table here, but I have some logical reasoning why these should be merged. Listen very carefully.


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#{{User|Mario}} '''very weak support''' I'd say this is a separate character, but the only thing separate from him and the present E. Gadd is simply by time. Maybe it's a faulty analogy, but we don't have an articles of other (extremely) minor characters in their past selves. The most compelling evidence is that this article is a duplicate of the E. Gadd article, but again, it could be from article writing rather than something as a hard fact.
#{{User|Mario}} '''very weak support''' I'd say this is a separate character, but the only thing separate from him and the present E. Gadd is simply by time. Maybe it's a faulty analogy, but we don't have an articles of other (extremely) minor characters in their past selves. The most compelling evidence is that this article is a duplicate of the E. Gadd article, but again, it could be from article writing rather than something as a hard fact.
#{{User|Glitchy Bowser Jr.}} This is a huge stub, this info could easily be a section in the Prof E Gadd article.
#{{User|Glitchy Bowser Jr.}} This is a huge stub, this info could easily be a section in the Prof E Gadd article.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per Ghost Jam.


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#{{User|Sonic98}} They are different characters. The page length is not a valid reason.
#{{User|Sonic98}} They are different characters. The page length is not a valid reason.
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} They are as different as Baby Mario and Mario are. We have articles for younger variants, like [[Toadsworth the younger]] and [[Toadsworth]], and the babies.
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} They are as different as Baby Mario and Mario are. We have articles for younger variants, like [[Toadsworth the younger]] and [[Toadsworth]], and the babies.
#{{User|Tails777}} Doesn't matter how minor he is, this is the same deal as other older/younger counterparts. So per all.


===Comments===
===Comments===
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@Glitchy Bowser Jr.: This article isn't a stub {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:29, 4 December 2014 (EST)
@Glitchy Bowser Jr.: This article isn't a stub {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:29, 4 December 2014 (EST)
What nobody is getting is how different Toadsworth the Younger and Young E. Gadd are. Let's see:
Toadsworth the Younger: Has official artwork, is seen with Toadsworth, is confirmed to be a separate character, has some pretty big differences from Toadsworth.
Young E. Gadd: Doesn't have official artwork, is never seen with older E. Gadd, is not confirmed to be a separate character, has very minor differences.
Comparing Toadsworth the Younger with Young E. Gadd is like comparing Dr. Mario and Dr. House. It seems reasonable, but in reality, you're ignoring some big differences. [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 21:10, 4 December 2014 (EST)
Let me throw a couple of points out there. According to the first point, if the two don't appear at the same time, the younger doesn't deserve an article? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Baby Wario never appears alongside adult Wario. Adding to that, he's got one appearance and is only present for a few cutscenes and half a world which is just a single step up from Young E. Gadd's case. That being said, I feel the first point is irrelevant.
The second point; yes, a minor difference, yes it can be mentioned in E. Gadd's history, but I'm sure several other younger characters share more than close similarities. Again, Baby Wario was shown to be just as greedy as Wario. Young E. Gadd also stats that he gets really caught up in research, to the point where he didn't notice the Mario Bros. and Baby Bros. E. Gadd has never been shown to disregard human presence due to research. There is at least one thing that separates them.
Point three: I honestly think a conjectured name is the least of the problems (just a personal opinion really).
All in all, I believe that Young E. Gadd shouldn't be treated any differently than any other younger/baby counterparts just because of article size or how indifferent his personality may be. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:Baby Wario has a much more major role than Younger Gadd, by being one of the few babies Yoshi can carry. Younger E. Gadd doesn't really... do much.
:Young E. Gadd gets caught up in his research, but present E. Gadd also loves doing research like any stereotypical researcher, yes? Younger E. Gadd isn't much different, then. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:49, 6 December 2014 (EST)
::Okay, he's very minor and doesn't have many outstanding characteristics that differ him from his older counterpart, but is that really a reason to separate him from other older/younger counterparts? I still think he deserves his own article. I mean a large majority of NPCs are twice as minor, every Toad in Paper Mario practically has an article, it's not like we'll merge them all into List of Toads in Paper Mario or anything. Minor or not, he's got what it takes to be in his own article. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:::It's less about importance and more about proof. Standard inclusion practices are to have articles for every character that can be positively defined as an individual character, importance or role being secondary concerns. Part of being a positively defined character is having a concrete name, that is, a name provided by the source (Nintendo). The second major part is having a clearly defined role and this is where the arguments for or against importance come in to play. Young Professor Elvin Gadd fails both of those criteria, as his only defining characteristic is being the same as Old Gadd, but young, and the naming issue. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 22:44, 6 December 2014 (EST)
::::Thanks, Ghost Jam! Baby Wario is pretty important, as you use him in Yoshi's Island (for the DS, if I can remember correctly). Using Toads is not a very good example, as most Toads [[Dr. Toadley's intern|do help Mario in some way]]. Young E. Gadd just...doesn't help Mario at all. He's pretty much as important as the appendix (aka "the organ known for doing almost nothing to help the body") [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 00:37, 7 December 2014 (EST)
:::::Actually, he does have a purpose in the game. I'm pretty sure he was the inspiration for the [[Hydrogush 4000]] and helped present E. Gadd take out the lava that would have caused some sort of mayhem. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 00:50, 7 December 2014 (EST)
::::::I heard </s>from a Brainpop video</s> that the appendix has a little amount of importance to the immune system, so it's not completely useless. Same with Young E. Gadd. Besides inspiring E. Gadd to take out lava, he just sits there and doesn't help the bros. at all. I guess most useless "character" of the year award goes to Young E. Gadd, for not directly doing anything but just sit there and research. [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 11:49, 7 December 2014 (EST)
:::::::Oh no, the appendix is simply a vestigial organ, similar to wisdom teeth or wings on ostriches. It has some use in the past where we mainly ate raw vegetables like wisdom teeth. Other animals such as cows currently have functioning appendixes. But as we ate less raw vegetables after the discovery of fire, the less we needed the appendix and therefore lost most primary functions from it. But I digress. I think Young E. Gadd isn't useless, as I have explained. He served more of a purpose to the plot than say, [[Toadiko]], who just let herself got captured and stuff. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:07, 7 December 2014 (EST)
::::::::Again, importance is a lesser concern in this instance than the issues of naming and relevance. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 07:29, 8 December 2014 (EST)
==Super Mario-Kun==
It names this form as 過去のオヤ・マー博士 (Kakono Oya Mā-hakase), a similar naming convention that is applied to Toadsworth the Younger, 過去のキノじい, (Kakono Kinojī), which means, from my very extremely shoddy Japanese ie Goggles Translight, Past Toadsworth and Past E. Gadd or something similar. Not sure if it will strengthen the argument for a split again, but I just feel the need to point that out. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:18, 30 January 2016 (EST)
==Name==
[https://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/928290-mario-and-luigi-partners-in-time/faqs/43928 According to this], he introduces himself as "Elvin Gadd". At the very least, wouldn't it make sense to call him "Elvin Gadd (young)" or something? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:49, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:I was just about to post the same thing :P He does call himself "Elvin Gadd", so having his English name in the title somewhere makes sense. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:51, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::I think Elvin Gadd (past) would be a better name, as the "past" part references his official Japanese name as well. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:55, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:::That sounds good to me. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:00, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::::If there are no objections, I'll move the page again. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:03, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::No objections here. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:04, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::::::I have no objections. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:04, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::::I have no objections either. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 16:05, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

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