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==Merge Elevator Key (X-Naut) with [[Elevator Key]]==
==Merge Elevator Key (X-Naut) with [[Elevator Key]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|green|merge 3-0}}
{{ProposalOutcome|green|merge 3-0}}
They're essentially the same item. Also, look at the above discussion. We should do as Redstar says: "...easily merge them together by saying "The '''Elevator Key''' is the name of two items found in the game ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door''. And then we'd go into each of them as usual."
They're essentially the same item. Also, look at the above discussion. We should do as Redstar says: "...easily merge them together by saying "The '''Elevator Key''' is the name of two items found in the game ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door''. And then we'd go into each of them as usual."


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== Split the Elevator Keys ==
== Split the Elevator Keys ==


{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|2-8-4|split them}}


These are so obviously different items that I don't think I need to detail exactly how they're different. Yes, they have the same name - should we also merge the [[Harry (Mario Tennis series)|tennis player]] and the [[Harry (Mario Golf)|golfer]] for having the same name? If you want to make the case that the keys aren't notable enough to deserve individual articles, [[:Category:Keys|there's an entire category]] that disagrees with you. If you want to make the point that these keys shouldn't have articles in the first place, this is not the place to do so (and take note that [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/16#Merge_Keys_Articles|this has been attempted]] at least once before). Right now, let's make things consistent with the rest of the wiki and give these individual articles. One final point: You do not get rid of stubs by lumping a bunch of articles together. It's like trying to get rid of dust by sweeping it under a carpet; you've done nothing to actually alleviate the problem, you've only made it look like everything's fine.
These are so obviously different items that I don't think I need to detail exactly how they're different. Yes, they have the same name - should we also merge the [[Harry (Mario Tennis)|tennis player]] and the [[Harry (Mario Golf)|golfer]] for having the same name? If you want to make the case that the keys aren't notable enough to deserve individual articles, [[:Category:Keys|there's an entire category]] that disagrees with you. If you want to make the point that these keys shouldn't have articles in the first place, this is not the place to do so (and take note that [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_16#Merge_Keys_Articles|this has been attempted]] at least once before). Right now, let's make things consistent with the rest of the wiki and give these individual articles. One final point: You do not get rid of stubs by lumping a bunch of articles together. It's like trying to get rid of dust by sweeping it under a carpet; you've done nothing to actually alleviate the problem, you've only made it look like everything's fine.


(There ''is'' a case to be made for keeping the two X-Naut Fortress keys together, so that option will be presented alongside an option to split all three of them.)
(There ''is'' a case to be made for keeping the two X-Naut Fortress keys together, so that option will be presented alongside an option to split all three of them.)
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#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} I feel this is the best option, as the key from Riverside Station looks very different from the ones in the X-Naut Fortress, which are key cards. However, I feel the only difference between the key cards is their color.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} I feel this is the best option, as the key from Riverside Station looks very different from the ones in the X-Naut Fortress, which are key cards. However, I feel the only difference between the key cards is their color.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per all.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per all.
#{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Per all.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per TheFlameChomp
#{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} They're literally not the same thing hell they aren't even the same type of key.
#{{User|the yoshi co.}} the first is um..uh... A GENERIC KEY!
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} I am taking the most popular option at time of vote. Per all.


===Do nothing===
===Do nothing===
#{{User|Alex95}} - The only thing I can find different is their appearances. They have the same name, game, and effect. I see no reason for a split. At least the two Harrys are completely different from each other.
#{{User|Alex95}} - The only thing I can find different is their appearances. They have the same name, game, and effect. I see no reason for a split. At least the two Harrys are completely different from each other.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per Alex95. Should we split the various [[Door Key]]s too?
#{{User|Niiue}} Per Alex95. Should we split the various [[Door Key]]s too?
#{{user|Wildgoosespeeder}} The article is just way too small for a split to happen. Splits like this make maintenance harder.
#{{user|Megadardery}} The reasoning in the proposal were not enough as what is seen in the comments. Per Wildgoosespeeder. The slight difference between the design of the identically functional items is not worth the lose of convenience as a result of splitting an already small article into two, and using identifiers.


===Comments===
===Comments===
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::::If someone's looking for information on only one of they keys, they get to be brought to an article covering only one of those keys. It keeps things simple and clear. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 20:18, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
::::If someone's looking for information on only one of they keys, they get to be brought to an article covering only one of those keys. It keeps things simple and clear. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 20:18, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::No, they'd be brought to a disambig listing several pages with the exact same name. Which, honestly, sounds detrimental to me. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 06:55, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::No, they'd be brought to a disambig listing several pages with the exact same name. Which, honestly, sounds detrimental to me. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 06:55, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::Not if they were linked there. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 20:52, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
Should the above proposal that merged the pages have passed in the first place? There are only three votes, and [[MarioWiki:Proposals]] states that "Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 16:38, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
Should the above proposal that merged the pages have passed in the first place? There are only three votes, and [[MarioWiki:Proposals]] states that "Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 16:38, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
:[[Talk:Gabon#Merge_to_Spike_.28enemy.29|It's not the only proposal]] like that (and that rule was there since 2007). I'm not sure if it's too late to do something about it, but at the very least, this proposal will settle things properly for the Elevator Key proposal. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:41, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
:[[Talk:Gabon#Merge_to_Spike_.28enemy.29|It's not the only proposal]] like that (and that rule was there since 2007). I'm not sure if it's too late to do something about it, but at the very least, this proposal will settle things properly for the Elevator Key proposal. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:41, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
'''@Time Turner''':Quick question, what do you think of splitting [[Package]] into two articles per game?--{{User:Megadardery/sig}} 06:38, 27 August 2017 (EDT)
:Yes. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:19, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
== The name of the elevator key in the Japanese version of the game ==
For anyone familiar with the Japanese language, [http://i.imgur.com/21HCIDE.png here is the name of the item in that language]. Yes, both keycards and the normal key share the same name.--{{User:Megadardery/sig}} 19:43, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
:I know enough to know that the red text reads "Erebētāki", or Elevator Key. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:49, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

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