Editing Talk:Earth

==(First topic)==
I have shocking evidence that may prove that the the [[Mushroom World]] is infact the same as the Earth. Read the first sentence of [[Orbulon]]'s bio in ''[[WarioWare, Inc. Mega Party Game$]]''. The bio is official as it was copid from the game's character introduction. It also reveals that the character in the Mushroom World speak English (at least the citizens of Diamond City do).--{{User:Knife/sig}} 21:13, 14 February 2007 (EST)

:Unless "earth" is just a colloqial term used by people on the planet, or that the Mushroom World is an alternate version of Earth (and would still be a different planet) - just like the cartoons and movie. Orbulon kinda screwed up everything, especially since the planets themselves are so different (look at the number of moons for each). It is also possible Diamond City is on Earth, not in Mario's World (note that most residents are humans). -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

But when Orbulon's spaceship crashes, it lands in a place that looks like the continents of earth, with even a blue background. But then again, the WarioWare series are pretty jacked up so the developers may have overlooked the canonicalness.--{{User:Knife/sig}} 18:07, 15 February 2007 
(EST)

Actually the cartoon and movie are non cannon. That shows that the brothers are most likely not from brooklyn and the mushroom kingdom is on earth{{unsigned|Pal101}}

Movies and cartoons are not "non-canon", they are alternate-canon. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Ahhh, the concept of alternate universes, what would we do without it? -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

I guess There is not real cannon. Cannon I guess would have to do with point of views.
{{unsigned|Pal101}}

== My two cents ==

Hey guys... I hope I'm not being rude, but doesn't it seem like we are making lots of unfair assumptions?  Earth is referred to many times throughout the series, so to say that there are two different planets is just an assumption.  We're assuming that canon is false or we are bending it to meet our own preconceived notions about the Marioverse.

Now, for those who believe that Mario is Missing! is canon, the Mushroom Kingdom is obviously not part of the "real world," but there is nothing as far as I know implying interplanetary travel.  Therefore, it would make sense that there's an alternate dimention thing going on.

And the two moon theory?  Doesn't hold up.  The moon from Yoshi's Island was small enough that we wouldn't see it from our telescopes.

Thanks for your time! --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]

:They are still two different planets even if one is in an alternate dimension. The cartoons strongly seperate the two, as does the movie. In the video games, it is less clear. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

It is MOST LIKELY they are two seperate planets in one universe. But that's my opinion. [[User:TheGreatBlockyBoo|TheGreatBlockyBoo]] 14:56, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

== Continents? ==

Is there a reason why there a links to the Continents of Earth on this page. - [[User:Pokemon DP|Pokemon DP]]

Probably because of The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 episode "7 Continents for Seven Koopas"; it had the Koopalings conquering the continents and Mario, Luigi, Toad and Princess Toadstool traveling to them. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

== SPM Earth ==
Actually if you look closely it doesn't look like Earth...only my opinion. <big>'''Super'''''[[User:Super Luigi 821|Luigi]]'''''821'''''</big>

I agree. It really only looks like Earth because it has blue water and green land - which would be expected of any planet habitable by humans. There are no distinctly recognizable landmarks that pin it down as Earth. It also seems a little odd that the Underwhere and Overthere are on Earth. [[User:CrossEyed7|CrossEyed7]] 01:48, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

I think that whole "earth" thing in SPM was a joke and wasn't canonical.
{{unsigned|NMRodo}}
:Do you have any proof for that, though?  We could technically justify anything as a joke, which is the problem.  I've felt the same way before, but what it comes down to is that if you want to draw conclusions, you have to take everything, even WarioWare's "jacked-up-ness" that was mentioned above.  It's all canon. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== They live in Earth? ==
Taken from the ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' manual.

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::::''I found myself deep within the Earth! I was quite angry and vowed revenge on these creatures.''
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:Unless he was taking a vaction on Earth, that means Earth is the same as the Mushroom Planet. {{User:Plumber/Pignature|(at least in the games)}}

This is already mentioned on the [[Earth]] page.  And [[Mushroom World]] article states it may be an alternate Earth.  I think we have our bases covered.  At the very least, in the cartoons and movie, there is Earth and Mario's world that are distinct.  And the Earth in the edutainment titles is clearly not the same world featured in other games. A lot of this is in the Mushroom World talk page.  -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Ya do know that Earth could also mean like rocks, so maybe he was deep underground. [[Image:NSMBUSmallMario.png|29px]]<small>'''[[User:Minimariolover10|<span style="font-Family:font; color:Red;">Minimariolover10</span>]]'''   '''[[User talk:Minimariolover10|<span style="font-Family:font; color:Red;">TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!</span>]]'''</small>

==Stumpers Causes More Trouble==
I've been noticing around the Wiki that people will make references to "real world counterparts" and other things like that, linking the phrase real world here.  There's one in the [[Cheese]] article for example, but there are others as well.  This is fine to me if the games mention cheese or Chez-Its (Bowser's Snack-'Ems article... or something like that) as being part of the Real World, but if they don't, can we do that?  What I'm really looking for is evidence that, according to the canon, Mario could potentially walk through a Warp Pipe to the real world, come over to my house, and hang out... or, more simply, that the world you and I are in is the same (down to the current events happening today) as the Real World of the Marioverse?  Just something more to think about. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 03:33, 10 December 2007 (EST)

== Real World or Earth? ==

In the TV shows, this was never referred to as the Earth, but always the Real World.  Can someone confirm where this was called Earth? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:32, 18 January 2008 (EST)

:...In the real world? Seriosly, it has never been called "Earth" in any Mario media if I'm correct. It's always been the Real World. [[Image:Paperjorgesp.png]] [[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge]] [[Image:Paperjorgesp.png]]
::Booster just informed me that in the instruction booklet for ''[[Mario is Missing!]]'' it was called Earth.  The booklet is online, so we have a source too!  Three cheers for Booster! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:07, 20 January 2008 (EST)

== Trivia ==

None of the Trivia entries seem related to Mario. Should they be kept because of their relevance of to the Smash Bros. series, or removed? (If they should be kept in any form at all, I think they should be merged into a single entry stated that Super Smash Bros.'s weird alternate universe thing combines characters from Earth with those of the Mushroom World and everything.) {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}}
:The trivia, which was removed by another user, should definately not be on this article.  For that matter, there should be no mention of non-Mario Super Smash Bros. locations on this page.  The just as "This World" has no relation to "Mushroom World", the games that take place on earth in other series have no relation to Mario's version of earth.  In short, we cannot assume that the F-Zero locations, or Earthbound, or Animal Crossing, or Pikmin locations will ever, during any time period, be on Mario's earth, which this article is about.  Example: Just as Mario doesn't have a plumbing business in the Animal Crossing continuity, Tortimer did not dress up and scatter acorns about a town in the Mario continuity. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:29, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

== The problem is Solved ==

I agree with someone who said that [[Mushroom Kingdom]] is a kind of an alternate dimension from Earth.  Anyway, if the ''Earth'' (yes, our planet) is mentioned somewhere in the game or movie, it can get confusing.  I don't know why but it makes me laugh if I read the article.

''This unsigned comment was posted by [[User:KoopaGalaxian|Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]

== Substituting "Earth" and "Real-life" as "Real World" (objects)... really? ==

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I never understood why "Real World" is used liberally to refer to real-life objects. Of course, "Real World" is called like that ''only'' in the show, but we should use that term only when the show is in question. For instance, you don't link to "Real World" or use that term in the [[Vegetable]] page unless it's in a section pertaining to the show. Any additional thoughts on this? {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:59, 23 March 2014 (EDT)

:You are right, as Earth is called real world only in the show. {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 09:32, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Attempting another revival, but seeing [[:Category:Real World Animals]] has made me cringe again. The usage of "Real World" as a substitute for "real-life" has always irked me in this wiki. It's incorporating a term used ''exclusively'' to the cartoons (and the cartoon uses this term as a parallel to the [[Mushroom World]], Mushroom Kingdom not Mario's planet) and applying it to the entire wiki. Actually, now that I've said that, we have scrubbed all literal referrals to Mushroom World and using "Real World" as a literal term is the old "Mushroom World" in spirit, how both terms were taken so similarly. I feel like it's a leftover from the time when the wiki hilariously (in a depressing and embarrassing kind of way) tried incorporating all information into one chaos of a timeline. As for the term, it would be much easier if we just renamed "Real World" into a more generic and straight-to-the-point "real-life" and keep all actual instances of Real World (mainly in the cartoons), as I said above. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:00, 23 June 2015 (EDT)

== The Mushroom Planet ==

There used to be a page here about Mario's planet and how distinct it was from Mario's version of Earth based on conjecture from the cartoons, but then it came to light that [[Mushroom World]] was meant to refer to something else entirely. In addition to the minor references to Earth in the ''Wario'' and ''Paper Mario'' games (and I think the ''Donkey Kong'' series and other spinoffs I may be forgetting), I found something that may prove just what relation the Mushroom Kingdom was supposed to have to Earth (or "the real world"):

<i>"Look out below!" Luigi yells. He dives head-<br>first into the Central Pipe that sticks up from<br>the floor of the Mario Bros. plumbing work-<br>shop. Tumbling through steamy darkness, he<br>passes dripping faucets, hissing valves and the<br>glowing red eyes of wayward alligators. In<br>minutes, he plunges from the Brooklyn plumb-<br>ing shop to the Mushroom Kingdom, deep<br>below the surface of the Earth.</i><br>- Page 1, Paragraph 1 of ''[[Leaping Lizards]]''

There you have it - the Mushroom Kingdom '''is''' on Earth! [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:38, 1 October 2014 (EDT)

:While I agree that the Mushroom Kingdom is on Earth, I think there are better examples from the games themselves, rather than a western-only adventure book that has little relevance to the canon of the games themselves (much likes the cartoons, anime, films, comics, etc.). Heck, it's spin-off stuff like that that caused the confusion in the first place, while the mainline games never made any pretension to being in some alternate dimension or universe (or beneath the ground), and side games practically revel in adding parody elements of Earth (such as the Wario games).

:The canon from western-only media is akin to the canon produced for Sonic games that involves "Mobius", something that was never part of the games themselves and was pretty much straight up ignored when Sonic Adventure came along. Mario is similar. The games are developed in Japan by people who have probably never even seen the western cartoons, and the idea that the Mushroom Kingdom is either in another dimension or beneath the Earth or anything like that plays no relevance to the games themselves, and is about as accurate as calling Yoshi "T. Yoshisaur Muchakoopas". This wiki has far too many holdovers from the cartoon's version of Mario, which has never meshed with the video games from the very start, and, like with Sonic, got pretty much ignored when Mario 64 came along and gave Mario an Italian accent and corrected Peach's name.

:This wiki needs to be better at separating the cartoon canon from the game canon. If the Sonic and Zelda wikis can do this with the various manga, comics and animated series then we sure as hell can. Mario might play fast and lose with story in comparison to those games but in general the games themselves have a pretty consistent world. [[User:Fizzle|Fizzle]] ([[User talk:Fizzle|talk]]) 12:05, 6 July 2015 (EDT)
::[[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] outlines the wiki's stance in regards to canon (basically: what canon?) and why trying to decide how every "canon" should be organized and which "canon" deserves to have more emphasis over others isn't something we're interested in. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

== Galaxy/Odyssey planet: Not our world? ==

This article seems to assume that Mario's world is Earth. However, I argue that it's most certainly not; the first game in which it has a big role, Super Mario Odyssey, shows that it has wildly different geography. Plus, it's referred to not as "Earth", but as "the planet" (by Cappy). I propose we create a separate article titled "The Planet" for Mario's world. I don't see any reason to assume it's Earth, so I feel that the safe thing to do is create a separate article. --[[User:Jumbods64|Jumbods64]] ([[User talk:Jumbods64|talk]]) 13:28, July 18, 2019 (EDT)
:[[#The Mushroom Planet|It]] [https://twitter.com/RandomTBush/status/953151084347953152 is] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9wWsEPdDbA&t=9m Earth,] just not necessarily ''our'' Earth. That's really all there is to it. What I believe we ''can'' do is create a separate article or section for the "real world" concept that was present in older media, which was never the same thing as suggesting that the main setting was an entirely different ''planet''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:38, July 18, 2019 (EDT)
::Those seem like super weak sources to me. File names are not necessarily representative of intent, and many contain holdovers from early development phases; it makes little sense to go back through and rename everything when a change is finalized. Also, headcanon, even from (individual) developers, is not canon. I remain of the opinion that Earth and the world of the Mario games are two entirely distinct locations and should be treated that way. Admittedly, untangling this is likely easier said than done. [[User:Twentydragon|Twentydragon]] ([[User talk:Twentydragon|talk]]) 18:32, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
:::In the last one it is literally said that Mario lives on '''an''' earth. And the franchise has no canon. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 18:43, September 20, 2019 (EDT)

== Eurocentric perspective ==

Much of this article seems to be written specifically from a white european historical perspective. Would it be possible to include a broader range of voices onthis Super Mario Wiki? {{unsigned|209.249.12.13}}

:Can you elaborate..? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:35, January 30, 2020 (EST)

== The Super Mario Bros. Movie ==

Should we include how ''The Super Mario Bros. Movie'' most likely on Earth, since we see [[Brooklyn]] in the film (which is implied to be on Earth) and the idea of Earth being the "real world" returns from the 1993 film? '''''Yours truly, Princess Toadstoo-- I mean [[User:NintendoFan08|NintendoFan08]].''''' 09:11, May 5, 2023 (EDT)