Editing Talk:Dribble & Spitz

Since 9-volt and 18-volt have separate articles, why can't Dribble and Spitz?
Also, the same should happen with Kat and Ana.
:Firstly 9-Volt was a separate character, not until the third game 18-Volt became his sidekick. But Kat and Ana as well as Dribble and Spitz are together from the beginning. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:40, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
::So? They're still separate characters. It's like a ? Block and a Mushroom. One's always with the other, yet they have separate articles. This goes for Ashley and Red too. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

==Split==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|red|keep merged 2-12}}
I would like to split Dribble and Spitz up as they aren't even the same person, we got to keep consistency (and lately, that's what we're trying to fix right now). Wikipedia doesn't have Batman and Robin as one article even though that title was ''officially'' used in comics, TV, and movies. Word to those possible opposers, it doesn't matter if they are categorized as a duo, they're both separate people and deserve as much respect to have their own article; still opposing? then think about this, how come 9-Volt and 18-Volt have separate articles if they are always shown together? Also, Dribble and Spitz have their own separate information from Wario Ware games, that should be enough to split them apart since there will be enough information in the article to make them separate regular size articles. And plus, the Wario Ware series hasn't ended, sequels will be made and they'll most likely have an appearance in those games also.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Zero777}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 9, 2011, 24:00 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Bop1996}} Per proposal,<s> and we are doing this on several other articles, so it's in line with the other articles.</s>
#{{User|Arend}} per all

===Oppose===
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} You're making a bad analogy. I'm sorry, but I believe that Batman and Robin have their separate identities, while Dribble and Spitz don't really have their own personalities. The simple reason that they are not the same person doesn't necessarily mean that this article should have a split. If that is the case, we would get tons of unnecessary stubs. I would like to see 9-Volt and 18-Volt merged anyway. The separate stuff about them in the WarioWare games can be in the same article, since that's not enough for a split too; really, that's one short section on how they are separate. There, I argued against all your reasons you mentioned.
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per the Mario that's green and lefty.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per above.
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} The Muppet Wiki doesn't split Statler and Waldorf (the old guys that heckle from the balcony).
#{{User|SWFlash}} <s>Per other proposals that have failed</s> Per LGM.
#{{User|Iggykoopa}} Per all
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} No split! Per all!
#{{User|Zero777}} Per personal policy below.
#{{User|Mariomario64}} First [[Young Cricket and Master Mantis]] and now this? Per all.
#{{User|Ultrahammer5365}} Per all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} I change my votes too much. Per all.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.

===Comment===
Your deadline was wrong: proposals end at 24:00 or 23:59. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 16:13, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:I'm on PST-zone, GMT is 8 hours ahead for me. {{User|Zero777}}
::Doesn't matter: the wiki uses GMT, and proposals end when the wiki's day ends. It's in the rules. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:38, 28 March 2011 (EDT)
:24-hours don't have 24:00, rather we have 0:00. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
'''@LGM:''' Dribble and Spitz do infact have their own personalities, Dribble is the hard working, tough on the outside guy, while Spitz is the cowardly, lazy, sheep person. And they both have separate info on themselves, not as a duo. {{User|Zero777}}

:Yeah, and that's about it on personality. Most of the info in the article refers to them as a group. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 13:09, 27 March 2011 (EDT)
::But they do have separate personalities, that's the bottom line on personalities. Also they thing that is different on this duo that isn't present on other duos, they have their own separate statistics and information. {{User|Zero777}}
zero77 dude what are you saying {{User|Iggykoopa}}

also what about red and green they are separate characters and they ain't split {{User|Iggykoopa}}

You guys are right. Here's my own personal policy that I have on top of the Mario wiki policy: all characters must have their own respected articles '''unless''' they are almost always seen together and/or information are too similar that it will be more convenient for them to be together. Is it possible to oppose my own proposal? {{User|Zero777}}
:Yes, Coincollector did it in [[Talk:List of Implied Characters]]. The proposal for splitting Rosalina's Mother. {{User|Magikrazy51}}
@Magikrazy51 Sorry to be off-topic, but there's a Muppet wiki? {{User|Mario4Ever}}

== Two Images Found ==
[[File:Dribble and Spitz's Taxi.png|right]]
[[File:WWT Taxi.png|left]]
Here you go. I don't know what to do with these images. Should they be included in the article or should they be deleted? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 01:38, 16 January 2016 (EST)

:I've included them in the article's gallery.

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 10:48, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
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==Split Dribble and Spitz's taxi from this article==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-0|split}}
Dribble and Spitz's taxi is not a regular taxi. It can transform into a rocketship to fly into space, and it regularly does so. The items and objects inside the taxi often serve as the lives for Dribble and Spitz's stages. In ''Twisted'', the taxi has a radio that changes the music during the stage, and it falls into disrepair during the story. In ''Touched'', new hosts are dropped off on the main screen by the taxi (with no indications that Dribble and Spitz are driving it). In ''Game & Wario'', [[Taxi (minigame)|an entire minigame]] centers around the taxi. By any standards, the taxi is more than notable enough to be split. And no, the article should not be merged solely because it isn't seen separately from its users, for the same reason that [[Princess Peach's Crown]] and [[Mario's Cap]] aren't merged: if the subject in question has enough prominence without an obscene amount of overlap, they should receive separate articles so that they can be covered more effectively. I argue that, for both its gameplay and story relevance, the taxi has more than enough prominence.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br>
'''Deadline''': September 11, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} The counter-reasoning in the previous proposal bringing up this debate was that the taxi article was encroaching "stub territory", but now I feel that more sufficient information has come to light, so per proposal.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Actually, in WarioWare: Touched!, when Dr. Crygor takes a taxi to see Mike, you see them in that scene, and the taxi is designed the same way as it is in the rest of the game. I'm pretty sure it's them driving it there. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:29, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
:I would argue that you only see them for certain in that one scene, but it's not something I want to contend strongly. Even still, the taxi is notable enough to be split. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:38, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
::Agreed, voting. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:41, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
:::A car is more notable for splitting than Dribble and Spitz themselves? I'm not buying it. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 13:41, 28 August 2017 (CT)
::::Too much overlap between Dribble and Spitz themselves, not enough overlap between them and their vehicle (though I honestly wouldn't argue too much about splitting the two...). {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Voice actor==
Doesn't Dribble have a different one in the new game?? {{User:GreenToxic/sig}} 00:35, September 20, 2021 (EDT)
:Nope:https://twitter.com/kylehebert/status/1436395318371766273 [[User:Sdman213|Sdman213]] ([[User talk:Sdman213|talk]]) 00:40, September 20, 2021 (EDT)

== Yet another argument to split these characters. ==

Okay, this is the last straw. They have two completely different personalities, one’s a dog the other’s a cat, and one keeps a cool head, other has a short temper. Ashley and Red, Mona and Joe, Mario and Luigi, all these are separated. So why not Dribble and Spitz?—-[[User:DrkLrdHmGree3856|DrkLrdHmGree3856]] ([[User talk:DrkLrdHmGree3856|talk]]) 17:35, January 15, 2024 (EST)
:Agreed that, as of now, they clearly do have separate characters that are very distinct. But I think what's keeping them together is the fact that they function as a clear duo, more so than most others. They're closer to that of Kat and Ana, where Ashley and Red have finally managed to split themselves off due to ''WarioWare: Get it Together'' giving them more distinctions to work with. Mona and Joe honestly have never been a duo in that same regard, as Joe is often a store owner/manager/boss of some sorts while Mona is a teenager doing everything under the sun, [[WarioWare: Smooth Moves|sometimes without Joe being involved directly as her superior]] and the Mario Bros... not a very good comparison since there are  times where Mario [[Super Mario 64|appears]] [[Super Mario Sunshine|without]] Luigi, times where both are present, but Luigi [[Paper Mario|doesn't]] [[Paper Mario: Sticker Star|play]] a significant role and times where Luigi [[Mario is Missing|appears]] and [[Luigi's Mansion (series)|Mario is more of a supporting role]]. Dribble and Spitz never appear without the other. They are always together so it's hard to have two articles covering two characters who are always together anyway. Even ''Get it Together'' doesn't truly help their case, as Spitz does the same thing as Dribble, just for player 2 instead. {{User:Tails777/sig}}

:Well, in quite a few cases, they are separated. They have different stickers in Brawl, different fans, light wands,  figurines, and different characters in all games. They aren’t ALWAYS seen together. Although, I guess I get your point. [[User:DrkLrdHmGree3856|DrkLrdHmGree3856]] ([[User talk:DrkLrdHmGree3856|talk]]) 22:19, January 17, 2024 (EST)
::Those scenes aren't in the plotline (sticker and souvenir). But I get that they are separate characters in wwgit and wwmi. Still, please do not split as they indeed appear together in most of their stories in the series. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 16:59, January 18, 2024 (EST)
:I want consistency in the WarioWare articles. We either split [[Kat & Ana]] and this page, or we merge [[Young Cricket]] and [[Master Mantis]] and [[Ashley]] and [[Red]].[[File:Hum Gree Gold.png|35px]][[User:DrkLrdHmGree3856|HumGree]] ([[User talk:DrkLrdHmGree3856|talk]]).[[File:Nice Lord Hum Gree.png|35px]] 20:01, January 20, 2024 (EST)
::Kat and Ana don't even have any unique personality traits. C&M and A&R have at least made significant appearances without the other, while D&S here are a standard polar-opposite duo (...also I was under the impression they were both dogs, with Spitz being a little yip-yip breed like an actual {{wp|spitz}}). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:35, January 20, 2024 (EST)
:::There's also the fact that K&A and D&S share a character select slot in Get It Together, while Red & MM are separate characters with unique traits. [[User:Sdman213|Sdman213]] ([[User talk:Sdman213|talk]]) 20:43, January 20, 2024 (EST)
::::Trust me, I'm all for a consistent approach too ([[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/58#Split Mario Kart Tour character variants or merge kart/glider variants: Take 2|been there]], [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/61#Merge Mario Kart Tour Kart and Glider variants or Split Character variants: The Threequel|tried that]]), but sometimes we just don't have the material to work with to make it happen. In the current moment, the duos of Kat and Ana and Dribble and Spits just don't have enough unique information to warrant splitting any of them. Everything about Spitz can, and is, easily covered alongside Dribble. Even I would agree that the fact they are different characters is enough, but I find the reasons to keep them merged fair as well. If both Dribble and Spitz were to end up hosting their own microgame sets with their own stories to them, then maybe they'd have a shot. But for now, keeping them merged is just the better option. {{User:Tails777/sig}}21:28, January 20, 2024 (EST)

== “It’s time.”-Ashley ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|3-12|keep merged}}
I feel like we need consistency in the WarioWare articles. Dribble and Spitz are night and day, just like Ashley and Red. So why are they split, but Dribble and Spitz are still together? Should we keep the page like this, or split for consistency?

'''Proposer''':{{User|DrkLrdHmGree3856}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|DrkLrdHmGree3856}} I feel that consistency is necessary in articles! Who’s with me!?
#{{User|BubbleRevolution}} I never saw the point in grouping two wholly separate characters together simply because they typically appear as a pair. The recent WarioWare site gives them separate profiles, and unlike characters such as the [[Starshade Bros.]] or the [[Jellyfish Sisters]], who are nearly identical in terms of personality and appearance with little to distinguish them, both Dribble and Spitz have extremely distinct appearances and personalities. I'd be in favor of splitting Kat and Ana for similar reasons.
#{{User|Shadow2}} This wiki is frustratingly inconsistent sometimes. We have entire articles dedicated to the tiniest characters with the smallest roles, or objects with very little significance, but we lump these two ''major'' characters together because...I don't know, they're partners who work together? [[Chuck Quizmo]] and [[Vanna T.]] work together, why don't they share an article? Why not lump [[Jimmy T.]] and [[Jimmy P.]] together, they're basically the exact same character? [[Cloaker]] and [[Domino]] don't appear apart from each other, but they have separate articles. "Always appear together" is not a sound argument. Neither is basing this entirely on ''Get it together''. So they share a gameplay style in one single game, so what? Mario and Luigi share a gameplay style in plenty of games, but you don't see them merged. They are distinct characters with distinct designs and distinct personalities. They should be separate.

====Oppose====
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} Like I said, they always appear together esp. in stories. Keep them merged, please.
#{{User|Sparks}} Dribble & Spitz are like [[Kat & Ana]], two characters who mostly appear together and are very similar. This is further proved in ''[[WarioWare: Get It Together!]]'' where both of them have the same ability, albeit in the opposite direction.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per my comments above. Right now, there just isn't enough to warrant a split.
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per my comments and everyone else.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} I feel that consistency is not necessary in articles! per all
#{{User|Dark-Boy-1up}} I believe [[WarioWare: Get It Together!]] made a distinction between if characters should be separated or if they should be considered best buddies (and also be grouped together when people are talking about them.)
#{{User|Hewer}} The result of this wouldn't be consistency, we already are consistent right now. Ashley & Red and Cricket & Mantis were split because they're completely separate characters in Get It Together, which Dribble & Spitz are not, they're a character duo where player 1 is Dribble and player 2 is Spitz, and their abilities are identical to each other except mirrored. The only way this would be consistent is if Kat & Ana got split as well since they're in the same situation, and I don't see why these splits would be needed for character duos who are always seen together.
#{{User|YoYo}} per all :)
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per what everybody else has been saying--as it stands, the reason they're merged is because they have always appeared together, and thus far the duos that get featured individually get splits whereas the ones who only appear in unison stay merged. We'd give it until Nintendo decides to actually showcase the two individually before splitting--that being said, the moment that becomes a thing, you can be assured we'd support a split almost immediately. ;P
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.

====Comments====
You have not followed the proper [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Talk page proposals|proposal rules]]/format. First of all, in the proposer indicator, please use the template:user, instead of your own custom signature, because there's a No Signature Policy. Finally, proposals in talkpages have a deadline of two weeks, not one. I'd suggest that you adhere to the proposal format and rules. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 17:15, January 21, 2024 (EST)
:I've just fixed your tpp for you, enforcing the proposal rules. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 17:19, January 21, 2024 (EST)

'''Just a suggestion:''' I'd recommend changing the title of this talk page proposal to a more specific name like "Split Dribble & Spitz", because users may have difficulty trying to figure out what this talk page proposal is meant to accomplish. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 17:43, January 21, 2024 (EST)

Currently abstaining to vote (honestly it could go either way for me), but I thought it would be important to mention that the main reason why Ashley and Red were decided to be split, as shown [[Talk:Ashley#A "split into separate articles" proposal? Oh no, not again!|here]], is due to how the two are handled in ''[[WarioWare: Get It Together!]]''. In that game, Ashley and Red are separate playable characters with completely different abilities that had their own separate plot points and were unlocked at different parts of the game. The very same goes for [[Young Cricket]] and [[Master Mantis]], and thus was also the deciding factor for [[Talk:Young Cricket#Split (...again)|this proposal]].<br>Dribble and Spitz, however... even in ''Get It Together'', they are intrinsically linked to each other. You encounter and unlock those two at the exact same time in the exact same stage, and most importantly, ''they share a character slot'': Dribble and Spitz play the exact same, except that Dribble always faces right and Spitz always faces left; as such, the game kind of considers them the same character, with Player 1 controlling Dribble and Player 2 controlling Spitz (with no way Player 1 being able to control Spitz or Player 2 being able to control Dribble, unlike nearly every other playable character). The exact same goes for [[Kat & Ana]].<br>And sure, ''[[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$!]]'' and ''[[WarioWare: Move It!]]'' allows players to play as either Dribble or Spitz, or either Kat or Ana, regardless of what player number they are, but in those games, all characters play identically anyway.<br>Sure, arguments could be made that they deserve to be split - different personalities, separate profiles, etc. But it appears ''Get It Together'' has made a major distinction between character duos like Ashley & Red, and character duos like Dribble & Spitz. {{User:Arend/sig}} 21:40, January 21, 2024 (EST)
:I wouldn't necessarily say that ''Get it Together'' was done due to some internal logic about character pairs, it's almost definitely just a choice related to gameplay/narrative. There's no reason to think Dribble and Spitz '''couldn't''' appear separately in a future title if the developers wanted. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 13:16, January 24, 2024 (EST)

Missed opportunity to title the proposal "Dribble & Splitz". {{User:ThePowerPlayer/sig}} 22:33, January 23, 2024 (EST)

== Spitz's species ==

I know he looks cat-ish, but I was under the impression that Spitz is an actual {{wp|spitz}}, just heavily stylized. Note that some of the dogs in this family are smaller-scale, fitting his appearance next to Dribble, and they tend to have short, upward-pointed ears not unlike a cat. In fact, he looks fairly similar to the Japanese {{wp|Hokkaido (dog)|hokkaido}} or {{wp|shiba inu}} breeds. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:24, January 22, 2024 (EST)
:In the intro for the pair in Smooth Moves, Spitz literally gives out a loud meow like a cat, and he also meows in a few of his voice clips in Get it Together. [[User:Sdman213|Sdman213]] ([[User talk:Sdman213|talk]]) 01:24, January 22, 2024 (EST)
:I thought it was fairly obvious Spitz is supposed to be a cat. As Sdman said, Spitz meows on occasion, and fish-based [[Prezzy|Prezzies]] such as Tuna and Sushi are generally highly favored by Spitz, whereas they're good-to-middling to Dribble. {{User:Arend/sig}} 01:28, January 22, 2024 (EST)
:There's also a Get It Together voice clip where he says he's "one cool cat" (probably intentional pun), and an animation in that game where he uses his bazooka as a scratching post. And if Dribble isn't named after his breed of dog, Spitz doesn't have to be either. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:58, January 22, 2024 (EST)
::Makes sense. I'll admit ''WarioWare'' gags aren't my forte. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:15, January 22, 2024 (EST)
::Yeah, I should mention that Dribble and Spitz are most likely named after types of saliva instead of dog breeds. As in, ''dribble'' (aka drool), and ''spit''. Dunno why there's an extra Z at the end of Spitz's name... probably to make it cooler, or sound more like a name. In either case, this at least connect the two names together, much like how "Kat" and "Ana" can be merged to form the Japanese sword "katana", how "Cricket", "Mantis" and "Cicada" are all types of insects, or how 9-Volt, 18-Volt, 5-Volt (5-Watt) and 13-Amp are electricity-related. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:00, January 22, 2024 (EST)
:[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/azwj/dribble/diary2.html Spitz is explicitly referred to as a cat on the website for the first WarioWario game, so I think that settles it.] [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 03:04, January 24, 2024 (EST)