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:::Like I said, if you really wish to make a change, then I suggest to just make a Talk Page Proposal of the matter. {{User|Zero777}} | :::Like I said, if you really wish to make a change, then I suggest to just make a Talk Page Proposal of the matter. {{User|Zero777}} | ||
==Proposal: Move this page to just plain "Dr. Mario"== | ==Proposal: Move this page to just plain "Dr. Mario"== | ||
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I feel that the "(character)" part is not needed. Other characters with their own series don't have "(character)" in their own page title. Examples include [[Mario]], [[Yoshi]], [[Donkey Kong]] and [[Wario]]. [[Blue Toad (character)|Blue Toad]] and [[Yellow Toad (character)|Yellow Toad]] also have "(character)" in their titles, but I don't really think those are needed because they are disambiguating them from Super Mario Galaxy '''characters'''. But I guess there are some other characters that deserve to keep the "(character)" part in the title such as [[Butterfingers (character)|Butterfingers]]. However, Dr. Mario doesn't need the "(character)" in his name. People would think of Dr. Mario as Mario dressed as a doctor. | I feel that the "(character)" part is not needed. Other characters with their own series don't have "(character)" in their own page title. Examples include [[Mario]], [[Yoshi]], [[Donkey Kong]] and [[Wario]]. [[Blue Toad (character)|Blue Toad]] and [[Yellow Toad (character)|Yellow Toad]] also have "(character)" in their titles, but I don't really think those are needed because they are disambiguating them from Super Mario Galaxy '''characters'''. But I guess there are some other characters that deserve to keep the "(character)" part in the title such as [[Butterfingers (character)|Butterfingers]]. However, Dr. Mario doesn't need the "(character)" in his name. People would think of Dr. Mario as Mario dressed as a doctor. | ||
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== Move to {{fake link|Dr. Mario (character)}} == | == Move to {{fake link|Dr. Mario (character)}} == | ||
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I tried to move this page to {{fake link|Dr. Mario (character)}}, but it was reverted due to the above proposal. So I'm making a counterproposal. To start, the above proposal's reasoning is flawed. Dr. Mario is not a major character on par with regular Mario, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong. He is a mere alter-ego most comparable to Paper Mario, who is also an alter-ego (of sorts) with a game and series named after him. Paper Mario only has an article due to his unique role in Paper Jam, in the same way that Dr. Mario has an article only because of his unique role in Smash. And Paper Mario still doesn't hold identifier priority like Dr. Mario does, and that is a problematic inconsistency that needs to be solved. There really isn't much to it. The other doctors also got their pages deleted due to having no unique roles, and Dr. Mario only holds a page due to being a separate fighter in Smash, so it makes little sense to prioritize him over the game following that as well. The above proposal was made five years ago, with no precedent; now, with the existence of [[Paper Mario (character)]] and the deletion of the other doctors, moving this page to an identifier seems like the most reasonable thing to do. | I tried to move this page to {{fake link|Dr. Mario (character)}}, but it was reverted due to the above proposal. So I'm making a counterproposal. To start, the above proposal's reasoning is flawed. Dr. Mario is not a major character on par with regular Mario, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong. He is a mere alter-ego most comparable to Paper Mario, who is also an alter-ego (of sorts) with a game and series named after him. Paper Mario only has an article due to his unique role in Paper Jam, in the same way that Dr. Mario has an article only because of his unique role in Smash. And Paper Mario still doesn't hold identifier priority like Dr. Mario does, and that is a problematic inconsistency that needs to be solved. There really isn't much to it. The other doctors also got their pages deleted due to having no unique roles, and Dr. Mario only holds a page due to being a separate fighter in Smash, so it makes little sense to prioritize him over the game following that as well. The above proposal was made five years ago, with no precedent; now, with the existence of [[Paper Mario (character)]] and the deletion of the other doctors, moving this page to an identifier seems like the most reasonable thing to do. | ||
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#{{User|Sdman213}} Per Waluigi. | #{{User|Sdman213}} Per Waluigi. | ||
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Pretty sure at this point, more people search for the persona or the series (which already has an identifier) more than the specific first game in the series. | #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Pretty sure at this point, more people search for the persona or the series (which already has an identifier) more than the specific first game in the series. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
I think I should clarify that, also following the deletion of the other doctors and for consistency with Paper Mario, I think that this page should also be purged of its Dr. Mario info. However, despite being on a similar basis, that is outside the scope of this proposal and is a matter for a proposal I plan to make later on. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 14:02, July 24, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Dr. Mario and Paper Mario aren't really comparable in that aspect. Dr. Mario is an alter-ego that Mario takes on in many games, while as far as we know, Paper Mario was always intended to be the Mario we see in all the other games before Paper Jam came out and complicated things by making him a distinct entity, and that's why only Paper Jam is covered on his page, and the same goes for all the other paper characters in Paper Jam. A more accurate comparison would be [[Mr. L]] or [[Rookie]], and if they have pages I don't see why Dr. Mario doesn't deserve this. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:10, July 24, 2019 (EDT) | :Dr. Mario and Paper Mario aren't really comparable in that aspect. Dr. Mario is an alter-ego that Mario takes on in many games, while as far as we know, Paper Mario was always intended to be the Mario we see in all the other games before Paper Jam came out and complicated things by making him a distinct entity, and that's why only Paper Jam is covered on his page, and the same goes for all the other paper characters in Paper Jam. A more accurate comparison would be [[Mr. L]] or [[Rookie]], and if they have pages I don't see why Dr. Mario doesn't deserve this. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:10, July 24, 2019 (EDT) | ||
@FanOfYoshi and @Sdman, your oppose votes are invalid. Waluigi was responding to my comment about stuff that I was specifically saying was outside the scope of this proposal, while this proposal itself is merely about identifier priority (which he said nothing about). You can't just say the persona is more notable than the game, either; you have to provide a reason on why you think that. So please elaborate on your votes with reasons that are actually relevant to this. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 23:21, July 24, 2019 (EDT) | @FanOfYoshi and @Sdman, your oppose votes are invalid. Waluigi was responding to my comment about stuff that I was specifically saying was outside the scope of this proposal, while this proposal itself is merely about identifier priority (which he said nothing about). You can't just say the persona is more notable than the game, either; you have to provide a reason on why you think that. So please elaborate on your votes with reasons that are actually relevant to this. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 23:21, July 24, 2019 (EDT) | ||
