Editing Talk:Dr. Luigi (character)

== Split [[Dr. Luigi (character)]] from [[History of Luigi]] ==
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Unlike the other Doctor characters from [[Dr. Mario World]], Dr. Luigi has his [[Dr. Luigi|own game]] and [[:File:Dr Luigi 2014 Artwork.png|appearance]] that is different enough from [[Dr. Mario]]. Additionally, he can use L-shaped pills that are specifically used by him. Also, he's a recurring character unlike the other 'Doctors'.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 29, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Support (Split as Dr. Luigi (character))===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per proposal

===Support (Split as Dr. Luigi and rename the existing [[Dr. Luigi]] article to {{fake link|Dr. Luigi (game)}})===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Secondary.
#{{User|Salmancer}} I disagree on appearance being the defining factor, seeing as every Doctor character can be argued to have a unique appearance from their normal selves. (Yes, handbags and armbands totally count, because "x with hat" is a unique Mario character more times than not.) My breaking point is that tossing Dr. Luigi in with the Dr. Mario World originals when he predates them and has multiple roles outside of that, including being the main character of an whole video game. I guess if Donkey Kong can supplant the game he's of that name despite the game's continued historical relevance then I guess the recurring character can get the slot.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} primary choice. if salmancer's comment gets made into an option, that'll be my secondary.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per proposal and Salmancer's reasoning for what should get priority.

===Support (Split as Dr. Luigi (character), move the existing [[Dr. Luigi]] to {{fake link|Dr. Luigi (game)}} and make a disambiguation page for both topics simply titled '''Dr. Luigi''')===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Tertiary.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} secondary.
#{{User|Salmancer}} I'd rather do this, though I see Camwoodstock's point that it means instead of half the users having to click one more link, everyone has to click one more link. The example case for skipping a disambiguation page is pretty extreme though, being [[Knuckles (Saturday Supercade)]] to [[Knuckles]]. And another statement in [[MarioWiki:Naming]]says even if there are only two pages, if both pages have equal priority there still has to be a disambiguation page. The example case for that is [[Antechamber]].

===Oppose===
#{{User|Hewer}} It's just Luigi wearing a doctor outfit. His only appearances are three Dr. Mario games where "normal" Luigi doesn't appear, and Mario Kart Tour where he is among the hundreds of other character variants (including Dr. Peach and Dr. Bowser, so Dr. Luigi is not actually the only recurring one). In other words, the only thing setting him apart from the other doctor characters besides Dr. Mario is two more appearances where he is just as indistinct from normal Luigi. I'd rather we split based on how distinct they are than simply an arbitrary number of appearances - I honestly would call for merging Dr. Mario with Mario if it weren't for him being a separate character in Smash, which sets him apart. Also, not exactly the same situation, but consider how [[Paper Mario (character)]] is handled.

===Comments===
Shouldn't there be an option for "Dr. Luigi" as a disambiguation page for both topics? Like, yes Dr. Luigi the character has appeared in things beyond Dr. Luigi the game, but giving one subject more primary than the other when it's two corners of Mario is weird. There are people who would recognize Donkey Kong but not ''Donkey Kong'', but I feel like for Dr. Luigi both things with the name are equivalent. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 21:01, January 15, 2025 (EST)

{{@|Rykitu}} {{@|Salmancer}} {{@|EvieMaybe}} {{@|Camwoodstock}} I added a third option.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 01:08, January 16, 2025 (EST)
:Replying to note that we saw it, and our keeping our vote as-is, since we personally don't see the need for a Dr. Luigi disambiguation when there would only be 2 valid topics. Still, would feel rude not to acknowledge it, so here we be. ;P {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 01:36, January 16, 2025 (EST)
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 '''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
-'''Deadline''': <s>January 29, 2025, 23:59 GMT</s> February 5, 2025, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline''': January 29, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 ===Support (Split as Dr. Luigi (character))===
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 #{{User|EvieMaybe}} secondary.
 #{{User|Salmancer}} I'd rather do this, though I see Camwoodstock's point that it means instead of half the users having to click one more link, everyone has to click one more link. The example case for skipping a disambiguation page is pretty extreme though, being [[Knuckles (Saturday Supercade)]] to [[Knuckles]]. And another statement in [[MarioWiki:Naming]]says even if there are only two pages, if both pages have equal priority there still has to be a disambiguation page. The example case for that is [[Antechamber]].
-#{{User|SComic}} Per Salmancer. Plus, there's enough information to warrant a split. If this is how it's handled for Dr. Mario, this is how it should be handled for Dr. Luigi.
 ===Oppose===
-#{{User|Hewer}} It's just Luigi wearing a doctor outfit. His only appearances are three Dr. Mario games where "normal" Luigi doesn't appear, and Mario Kart Tour where he is among the hundreds of other character variants (including Dr. Peach and Dr. Bowser, so Dr. Luigi is not actually the only recurring one). In other words, the only thing setting him apart from the other doctor characters besides Dr. Mario is two more appearances where he is just as indistinct from normal Luigi. I'd rather we split based on how distinct they are than simply an arbitrary number of appearances - I honestly would call for merging Dr. Mario with Mario if it weren't for him being a separate character in Smash, which sets him apart. I also find it odd how this proposal's argument seems to mainly be about Dr. Luigi's distinction from Dr. Mario, as though it was a proposal to split Dr. Luigi from Dr. Mario rather than to split Dr. Luigi from Luigi. Also, not exactly the same situation, but consider how [[Paper Mario (character)]] is handled.
+#{{User|Hewer}} It's just Luigi wearing a doctor outfit. His only appearances are three Dr. Mario games where "normal" Luigi doesn't appear, and Mario Kart Tour where he is among the hundreds of other character variants (including Dr. Peach and Dr. Bowser, so Dr. Luigi is not actually the only recurring one). In other words, the only thing setting him apart from the other doctor characters besides Dr. Mario is two more appearances where he is just as indistinct from normal Luigi. I'd rather we split based on how distinct they are than simply an arbitrary number of appearances - I honestly would call for merging Dr. Mario with Mario if it weren't for him being a separate character in Smash, which sets him apart. Also, not exactly the same situation, but consider how [[Paper Mario (character)]] is handled.
-#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per Hewer.
-#{{User|Mario}} I would be open to revisiting this proposal once Dr. Luigi establishes himself as a distinct alter ego with a larger series to his name. Dr. Mario gets his own page due to being a much more recognizable alter ego in a sizeable and pretty iconic game series starring the alter ego. The split, I think, makes sense and works due to the information, which is quite a lot due to the recurring appearances, being easily accessed in [[Dr. Mario]] while the [[History of Mario]] page appropriately covers it. I'm not sure if it's relevant, but [[Talk:Nurse Toadstool]] also has reasons justifying splitting the Drty Doctor and not necessarily Nurse Toadstool or Dr. Luigi.
-#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per Hewer and Mario.
-#{{User|Okapii}} Per Hewer.
 ===Comments===
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 {{@|Rykitu}} {{@|Salmancer}} {{@|EvieMaybe}} {{@|Camwoodstock}} I added a third option.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 01:08, January 16, 2025 (EST)
 :Replying to note that we saw it, and our keeping our vote as-is, since we personally don't see the need for a Dr. Luigi disambiguation when there would only be 2 valid topics. Still, would feel rude not to acknowledge it, so here we be. ;P {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 01:36, January 16, 2025 (EST)
-{{@|Hewer}} I mean yeah but considering [[Leo Luster]] is just [[Bluster Kong]] with slightly different hair, I don't think Dr. Luigi needs to look that different to be considered separate from [[Luigi]]. I admit that we haven't seen Dr. Luigi in the same room as a separate character from Luigi like [[Paper Mario (character)|Paper Mario]] with [[Mario]], but aside from their smash appearences, the same is true of [[Dr. Mario]].--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 15:55, January 17, 2025 (EST)
-:My point isn't really about what he looks like so much as how distinctly he is portrayed and whether he's ever really set apart from "normal" Luigi. Leo Luster is depicted as a distinct alter ego of Bluster Kong who switches back and forth within that episode and clearly acts differently, while Dr. Luigi is just how Luigi looks in the Dr. Mario series and has never appeared in the same game as normal Luigi outside of Mario Kart Tour (which is full of such costume variant characters). As for "aside from their smash appearences, the same is true of Dr. Mario" - that's precisely the point I made in my vote. The Smash appearances are the only reason I think Dr. Mario should be split, and Dr. Luigi doesn't have that going for him. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:03, January 17, 2025 (EST)