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== Split the remakes and ports ==
== Split the remakes and ports ==


Since [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/52#Split_Switch.2F3DS_ports_with_substantial_new_content|this proposal]] will split ports of the same name with substantial new content starting with ''Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze'' (Nintendo Switch) and ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker'' (2018), I would think the case should apply to the rest of the ''Donkey Kong Country'' games. Certainly the Game Boy Advance versions as well as the Game Boy Color version of ''Donkey Kong Country'' all have new content that could be called fairly substantial, not unlike the ''Super Mario Advance'' series and ''Super Mario Bros. Deluxe''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
Since [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_52#Split_Switch.2F3DS_ports_with_substantial_new_content|this proposal]] will split ports of the same name with substantial new content starting with ''Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze'' (Nintendo Switch) and ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker'' (2018), I would think the case should apply to the rest of the ''Donkey Kong Country'' games. Certainly the Game Boy Advance versions as well as the Game Boy Color version of ''Donkey Kong Country'' all have new content that could be called fairly substantial, not unlike the ''Super Mario Advance'' series and ''Super Mario Bros. Deluxe''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
:If a port like [[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]] can have an article, then surely these ports can too! I hope they'll consider making pages for these GBA/GBC ports. --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 02:50, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
:If a port like [[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]] can have an article, then surely these ports can too! I hope they'll consider making pages for these GBA/GBC ports. --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 02:50, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
Ok, if there was a proposal to split ports with basically almost not new content, then why there is still no page for the donkey kong country port the gbc and the remakes of the trilogy for the gba after three years. If one is sure this games has more new content than the donkey kong courntry tropical freeze port for the Nintendo Switch, so I dont see any reason to not do it. {{unsigned|176.84.11.151}}
Ok, if there was a proposal to split ports with basically almost not new content, then why there is still no page for the donkey kong country port the gbc and the remakes of the trilogy for the gba after three years. If one is sure this games has more new content than the donkey kong courntry tropical freeze port for the Nintendo Switch, so I dont see any reason to not do it. {{unsigned|176.84.11.151}}


== Stop considering Donkey Kong 64 an installment of the Donkey Kong country series ==
== Stop considering Donkey Kong 64 an installment of the Donkey Kong country series ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|8-0|not part of the series}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|not part of the series}}
I find it bizarre that this wiki currently considers ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' part of the Donkey Kong Country series. It does not bear the name ''Donkey Kong Country'' and plays very differently to every other Donkey Kong Country game with it being a 3D collectathon compared every single other game being 2D linear platformers. The [[Donkey Kong Land (series)|Donkey Kong Land]] are far closer to being Donkey Kong Country games than this is yet those aren’t considered part of the series but this is. Furthermore there is no reference whatsoever to this even being part of the Donkey Kong Country series on this wiki’s page on DK64.  
I find it bizarre that this wiki currently considers ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' part of the Donkey Kong Country series. It does not bear the name ''Donkey Kong Country'' and plays very differently to every other Donkey Kong Country game with it being a 3D collectathon compared every single other game being 2D linear platformers. The [[Donkey Kong Land (series)|Donkey Kong Land]] are far closer to being Donkey Kong Country games than this is yet those aren’t considered part of the series but this is. Furthermore there is no reference whatsoever to this even being part of the Donkey Kong Country series on this wiki’s page on DK64.  


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== Split the four Rare remakes into their own articles ==
== Split the four Rare remakes into their own articles ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|10-0|split}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|10-0|split}}
See a few sections above. While it is ''implied'' by a previous proposal these should be split anyway, my aim here is to make it an explicit goal. These are the GBC game and GBA games, for clarification.
See a few sections above. While it is ''implied'' by a previous proposal these should be split anyway, my aim here is to make it an explicit goal. These are the GBC game and GBA games, for clarification.


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== Add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', its derivatives, and ''New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'' to the "Other related games" section ==
== Add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', its derivatives, and ''New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'' to the "Other related games" section ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|4-9|do not add to related games}}
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|4-9|do not add to related games}}
''[[Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'' has two variations of "[[DK Island Swing]]": an arrangement that plays in [[Dawn Savanna]], the first level of the game; and a shortened variation that plays in the victory fanfare right after Donkey Kong defeats a boss. I was wondering if there's a possibility to add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', ''[[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'', ''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Fever]]'', and ''[[Donkey Kong: Banana Kingdom]]'' to the "[[Donkey Kong Country (series)#Other related games|Other related games]]" section from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series article.
''[[Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'' has two variations of "[[DK Island Swing]]": an arrangement that plays in [[Dawn Savanna]], the first level of the game; and a shortened variation that plays in the victory fanfare right after Donkey Kong defeats a boss. I was wondering if there's a possibility to add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', ''[[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'', ''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Fever]]'', and ''[[Donkey Kong: Banana Kingdom]]'' to the "[[Donkey Kong Country (series)#Other related games|Other related games]]" section from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series article.


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== Consider the ''DK'' series as related to the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series ==
== Consider the ''DK'' series as related to the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series ==


{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0|Add to Related Series section}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-0|Add to Related Series section}}
Out of all the games featuring characters and concepts that originated from the DKC series, the exclusion from the related games section that makes the least sense, at least in my opinion, is the [[DK series|''DK'' series]]. The games are both platformers that heavily feature DKC characters, including deep-cut enemies that otherwise only appeared in the mainline DKC series and ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'', such as [[Neek]]s, [[Puftup]]s, and [[Click-Clack]]s. Not to mention the clearly DKC-inspired jungle theming and the appearance of [[King K. Rool]] as the main antagonist. Plus, the fact that both games used sound effects ''directly taken from the DKC series'' (especially in the case of ''[[DK: King of Swing|King of Swing]]'', with all the voice clips that were reused) seems a bit weird to not mention on the ''Country'' series article.
Out of all the games featuring characters and concepts that originated from the DKC series, the exclusion from the related games section that makes the least sense, at least in my opinion, is the [[DK series|''DK'' series]]. The games are both platformers that heavily feature DKC characters, including deep-cut enemies that otherwise only appeared in the mainline DKC series and ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'', such as [[Neek]]s, [[Puftup]]s, and [[Click-Clack]]s. Not to mention the clearly DKC-inspired jungle theming and the appearance of [[King K. Rool]] as the main antagonist. Plus, the fact that both games used sound effects ''directly taken from the DKC series'' (especially in the case of ''[[DK: King of Swing|King of Swing]]'', with all the voice clips that were reused) seems a bit weird to not mention on the ''Country'' series article.


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== Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC. ==
== Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC. ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|0-0-0-0-0-0-2-1-6}}
===Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC.===
===Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC.===
So the DK series is considered related to the DKC series, but there's others that could be considered related: Donkey Konga and Barrel Blast. 4/26/2024 EDIT: Ok, Hewer brought up Jungle Beat, so I'm adding that in too. Too all opposition. I'm not saying we should include the whole franchise as related, just the ones brought up 2 sections above this one.
So the DK series is considered related to the DKC series, but there's others that could be considered related: Donkey Konga and Barrel Blast. 4/26/2024 EDIT: Ok, Hewer brought up Jungle Beat, so I'm adding that in too. Too all opposition. I'm not saying we should include the whole franchise as related, just the ones brought up 2 sections above this one.
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====All 3 are related====
====All 3 are related====
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Per proposal.
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Per proposal.
#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) - I mean, I wanted to before, and I'm generally more lenient on this kind of thing. I think this is more reasonable than say, ''Diddy Kong Racing''.
====Alternatively, spilt DKC(franchise) ====
====Alternatively, spilt DKC(franchise) ====
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 2nd choice.
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 2nd choice.
====Do nothing====
====Do nothing====
#{{User|Hewer}} This is getting much too tenuous, we may as well include the whole Donkey Kong franchise as related at that point. And if we're not including Jungle Beat, including these games that aren't even the same genre makes no sense.
#{{User|Hewer}} This is getting much too tenuous, we may as well include the whole Donkey Kong franchise as related at that point. And if we're not including Jungle Beat, including these games that aren't even the same genre makes no sense.
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} The ''Donkey Kong'' franchise page lists mainly characters originating from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series. It follows that characters from DKC are seen as representatives of DK's world in general, rather than merely the DKC games, so simply having these characters is not reason enough to be related to DKC. The best comparison I can think of would be if we were to add the ''[[Mario Kart]]'' series as related to the ''[[Super Mario (series)|Super Mario]]'' series simply for featuring characters that originated from these games.
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} The ''Donkey Kong'' franchise page lists mainly characters originating from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series. It follows that characters from DKC are seen as representatives of DK's world in general, rather than merely the DKC games, so simply having these characters is not reason enough to be related to DKC. The best comparison I can think of would be if we were to add the ''[[Mario Kart]]'' series as related to the ''[[Super Mario (series)|Super Mario]]'' series simply for featuring characters that originated from these games.
#{{user|MegaBowser64}}  Per all of yall (collectively)
#{{user|MegaBowser64}}  Per all of yall (collectively)
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per Hewer.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} This is really stretching it.


====Comments====
====Comments====
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Ok, I updated this, everyone please have a look at it. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:18, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
Ok, I updated this, everyone please have a look at it. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:18, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
{{@|Doc von Schmeltwick}} I perfectly agree with you, plus adding Diddy Kong Racing would be stupid. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 13:50, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
Ok, can an admin please stop this proposal? The opposition clearly doesn't understand, and I can't deal with this anymore. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 19:26, May 4, 2024 (EDT)
:It's not that we don't understand, we just don't agree. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:42, May 6, 2024 (EDT)
::?? Well, {{@|DrippingYellow}} DID suggest Donkey Konga and Barrel Blast, so... just please cancel this and let DrippingYellow deal with this himself. <small><small><small>Well, there goes me trying to help someone.</small></small></small> [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|talk]]) 08:32, May 6, 2024 (EDT)
:::What? DrippingYellow was only considering if the games could potentially be added, people can change their minds. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:03, May 6, 2024 (EDT)
::::Then end the proposal! I changed my mind about it! [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|talk]]) 08:37, May 7, 2024 (EDT)

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