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| == Split the remakes and ports == | | == Split the remakes and ports == |
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| Since [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/52#Split_Switch.2F3DS_ports_with_substantial_new_content|this proposal]] will split ports of the same name with substantial new content starting with ''Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze'' (Nintendo Switch) and ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker'' (2018), I would think the case should apply to the rest of the ''Donkey Kong Country'' games. Certainly the Game Boy Advance versions as well as the Game Boy Color version of ''Donkey Kong Country'' all have new content that could be called fairly substantial, not unlike the ''Super Mario Advance'' series and ''Super Mario Bros. Deluxe''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (EDT) | | Since [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_52#Split_Switch.2F3DS_ports_with_substantial_new_content|this proposal]] will split ports of the same name with substantial new content starting with ''Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze'' (Nintendo Switch) and ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker'' (2018), I would think the case should apply to the rest of the ''Donkey Kong Country'' games. Certainly the Game Boy Advance versions as well as the Game Boy Color version of ''Donkey Kong Country'' all have new content that could be called fairly substantial, not unlike the ''Super Mario Advance'' series and ''Super Mario Bros. Deluxe''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (EDT) |
| :If a port like [[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]] can have an article, then surely these ports can too! I hope they'll consider making pages for these GBA/GBC ports. --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 02:50, 27 August 2018 (EDT) | | :If a port like [[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]] can have an article, then surely these ports can too! I hope they'll consider making pages for these GBA/GBC ports. --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 02:50, 27 August 2018 (EDT) |
| Ok, if there was a proposal to split ports with basically almost not new content, then why there is still no page for the donkey kong country port the gbc and the remakes of the trilogy for the gba after three years. If one is sure this games has more new content than the donkey kong courntry tropical freeze port for the Nintendo Switch, so I dont see any reason to not do it. {{unsigned|176.84.11.151}} | | Ok, if there was a proposal to split ports with basically almost not new content, then why there is still no page for the donkey kong country port the gbc and the remakes of the trilogy for the gba after three years. If one is sure this games has more new content than the donkey kong courntry tropical freeze port for the Nintendo Switch, so I dont see any reason to not do it. {{unsigned|176.84.11.151}} |
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| == Stop considering Donkey Kong 64 an installment of the Donkey Kong country series == | | == Stop considering Donkey Kong 64 an installment of the Donkey Kong country series == |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{SettledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|8-0|not part of the series}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|not part of the series}} |
| I find it bizarre that this wiki currently considers ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' part of the Donkey Kong Country series. It does not bear the name ''Donkey Kong Country'' and plays very differently to every other Donkey Kong Country game with it being a 3D collectathon compared every single other game being 2D linear platformers. The [[Donkey Kong Land (series)|Donkey Kong Land]] are far closer to being Donkey Kong Country games than this is yet those aren’t considered part of the series but this is. Furthermore there is no reference whatsoever to this even being part of the Donkey Kong Country series on this wiki’s page on DK64. | | I find it bizarre that this wiki currently considers ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' part of the Donkey Kong Country series. It does not bear the name ''Donkey Kong Country'' and plays very differently to every other Donkey Kong Country game with it being a 3D collectathon compared every single other game being 2D linear platformers. The [[Donkey Kong Land (series)|Donkey Kong Land]] are far closer to being Donkey Kong Country games than this is yet those aren’t considered part of the series but this is. Furthermore there is no reference whatsoever to this even being part of the Donkey Kong Country series on this wiki’s page on DK64. |
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| == DK64 again == | | == DK64 again == |
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| The official [https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Characters-hub/Donkey-Kong-Hub/Donkey-Kong-Hub-846642.html Donkey Kong Portal] (which only Nintendo UK seems to have) seems to list DK64 with the DKC games, having it between DKC3 and DKCR while the DKL games, KOS, classic arcade games, and ports are all listed separately. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:26, March 29, 2022 (EDT) | | The official [https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Characters-hub/Donkey-Kong-Hub/Donkey-Kong-Hub-846642.html Donkey Kong Portal] (which only Nintendo UK seems to have) seems to list DK64 with the DKC games, having it between DKC3 and DKCR while the DKL games, KOS, classic arcade games, and ports are all listed separately. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:26, March 29, 2022 (EDT) |
| :Already in the article now. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 11:21, April 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| == Split the four Rare remakes into their own articles == | | == Split the four Rare remakes into their own articles == |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{SettledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|10-0|split}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|10-0|split}} |
| See a few sections above. While it is ''implied'' by a previous proposal these should be split anyway, my aim here is to make it an explicit goal. These are the GBC game and GBA games, for clarification. | | See a few sections above. While it is ''implied'' by a previous proposal these should be split anyway, my aim here is to make it an explicit goal. These are the GBC game and GBA games, for clarification. |
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| == Add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', its derivatives, and ''New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'' to the "Other related games" section == | | == Add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', its derivatives, and ''New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'' to the "Other related games" section == |
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|4-9|do not add to related games}}
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| ''[[Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'' has two variations of "[[DK Island Swing]]": an arrangement that plays in [[Dawn Savanna]], the first level of the game; and a shortened variation that plays in the victory fanfare right after Donkey Kong defeats a boss. I was wondering if there's a possibility to add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', ''[[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'', ''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Fever]]'', and ''[[Donkey Kong: Banana Kingdom]]'' to the "[[Donkey Kong Country (series)#Other related games|Other related games]]" section from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series article. | | ''[[Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'' has two variations of "[[DK Island Swing]]": an arrangement that plays in [[Dawn Savanna]], the first level of the game; and a shortened variation that plays in the victory fanfare right after Donkey Kong defeats a boss. I was wondering if there's a possibility to add ''Donkey Kong Jungle Beat'', ''[[New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'', ''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Fever]]'', and ''[[Donkey Kong: Banana Kingdom]]'' to the "[[Donkey Kong Country (series)#Other related games|Other related games]]" section from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series article. |
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}} (blocked)<br> | | '''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}}<br> |
| '''Deadline''': December 15, 2023, 23:59 GMT | | '''Deadline''': December 15, 2023, 23:59 GMT |
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| <s>#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal</s>
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| #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - I still think it's the functional in-between for the Rare games and the Retro games. Probably the only reason it doesn't have "Country" in the title is it was made in Japan, where they never had "Country" in the titles in the first place. | | #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - I still think it's the functional in-between for the Rare games and the Retro games. Probably the only reason it doesn't have "Country" in the title is it was made in Japan, where they never had "Country" in the titles in the first place. |
| #{{user|Super Game Gear}} Per Gunther and Doc. This is a similar situation to a related proposal of the ''Yoshi'' platforming games. Perhaps we can do ''Wario: Master of Disguise'' with the ''Wario Land'' series next. | | #{{user|Super Game Gear}} Per Gunther and Doc. This is a similar situation to a related proposal of the ''Yoshi'' platforming games. Perhaps we can do ''Wario: Master of Disguise'' with the ''Wario Land'' series next. |
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| #{{User|Swallow}} Per all | | #{{User|Swallow}} Per all |
| #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} It's functionally similar to the ''Donkey Kong Country'' games, sure, but that's like ''Yoshi's Woolly World'' being functionally similar to the ''Yoshi's Island'' games. Or even better, ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' taking a little more elements from ''Yoshi's Story'' than from other ''Yoshi's Island'' games. | | #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} It's functionally similar to the ''Donkey Kong Country'' games, sure, but that's like ''Yoshi's Woolly World'' being functionally similar to the ''Yoshi's Island'' games. Or even better, ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' taking a little more elements from ''Yoshi's Story'' than from other ''Yoshi's Island'' games. |
| #{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
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| #{{User|DrippingYellow}} To be honest, I'd be more for adding the [[DK (series)|DK series]] as a related series rather than ''Jungle Beat'', seeing as the former goes as far as to actually include characters from the ''Country'' series playing a major role, while ''Jungle Beat'', as noted by Glowsquid in the comments, made an active effort to distance itself from the ''Country'' series.
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| The exact wording can be nitpicked, but all current translations made of that statement carry the gist of the game's co-director saying it has new characters and setting because they aimed it to be something completely different from the DKC games. With that in mind, it doesn't make much sense to me to say they're related. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 14:28, December 2, 2023 (EST) | | The exact wording can be nitpicked, but all current translations made of that statement carry the gist of the game's co-director saying it has new characters and setting because they aimed it to be something completely different from the DKC games. With that in mind, it doesn't make much sense to me to say they're related. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 14:28, December 2, 2023 (EST) |
| :From the previous ones. The Retro Studios ones, meanwhile, take about as much from Jungle Beat and its Wii counterpart as they do from the RareWare games, such as pounding background plants for bananas, shaking to rapid-fire punch bosses away, and the heart system from the Wii version. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:32, December 2, 2023 (EST) | | :From the previous ones. The Retro Studios ones, meanwhile, take about as much from Jungle Beat and its Wii counterpart as they do from the RareWare games, such as pounding background plants for bananas, shaking to rapid-fire punch bosses away, and the heart system from the Wii version. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:32, December 2, 2023 (EST) |
| ::The later Donkey Kong Country games basing mechanics off of ''Jungle Beat'' does not retroactively make it "related" to the Donkey Kong Country games in the same vein as [[Donkey Kong 64]]. You could make a similar argument that [[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)]] should be listed as a related game in the Super Mario series due to being the debut of [[Backward Somersault|backflips]] and the like, or that [[Mario Bros. (game)|Mario Bros.]] be listed as related due to serving as the basis for the use of [[Koopa Troopa|turtles]] and [[Coin|coins]] in the Mario franchise. Even with Barrel Cannons making an appearance in the ''New Play Control!'' version of ''Jungle Beat'', that's an argument for including just the re-release, not the original and all related arcade games. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 13:45, December 5, 2023 (EST)
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| Would it be strange to add other ''Donkey Kong'' games/series prominently featuring a good chunk of characters and settings originating from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series into the "Related games" section? I'm talking about the [[DK (series)|''DK'' series]], the [[Donkey Konga (series)|''Donkey Konga'' series]], ''[[Donkey Kong Barrel Blast]]'', things like that where they're obviously meant to take place in the ''Country'' continuity. I am ''not'' referring to ''[[Diddy Kong Racing]]'' (which only has [[Diddy]] and [[Krunch]] to tie it to the other games, and iirc wasn't even conceived as a Diddy Kong game originally), nor am I referring to the Mario sports games where they randomly featured a bunch of DKC characters for some reason. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 19:44, January 20, 2024 (EST)
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| :I tried putting them on here before and they were removed... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:01, January 20, 2024 (EST)
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| ::I kind of get why the DKC characters are listed in the Donkey Kong franchise article, it's just strange seeing a cast of DKC-adjacent characters listed there, when there's also the classic ''[[Donkey Kong (series)|Donkey Kong]]'' series, ''[[Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series)|Mario vs. Donkey Kong]]'' series, and ''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat]]'' where they ''don't'' appear. I guess the alternative would be splitting off a "''Donkey Kong Country'' (franchise)" article, which would probably confuse things even more than the franchise/series distinctions we already have. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 21:50, January 20, 2024 (EST)
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| :::DK is added, now for a proposal covering the other ones. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 11:22, April 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| == Consider the ''DK'' series as related to the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series ==
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| Out of all the games featuring characters and concepts that originated from the DKC series, the exclusion from the related games section that makes the least sense, at least in my opinion, is the [[DK series|''DK'' series]]. The games are both platformers that heavily feature DKC characters, including deep-cut enemies that otherwise only appeared in the mainline DKC series and ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'', such as [[Neek]]s, [[Puftup]]s, and [[Click-Clack]]s. Not to mention the clearly DKC-inspired jungle theming and the appearance of [[King K. Rool]] as the main antagonist. Plus, the fact that both games used sound effects ''directly taken from the DKC series'' (especially in the case of ''[[DK: King of Swing|King of Swing]]'', with all the voice clips that were reused) seems a bit weird to not mention on the ''Country'' series article.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|DrippingYellow}}<br>
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| #{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per proposal.
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| #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - They seem more like a pair of games related to this series than a series themselves, IMO. Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Arend}} Per all; not to mention that the "series" name is confusing, considering that DK tends to refer to just the character itself (at least ''King of Swing's'' Japanese name was ''Burabura Donkey'' instead) and that ''DK Jungle Climber'' is called ''Donkey Kong: Jungle Climber'' in Japan and Europe.
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.
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| #{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Yes. Per.
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| #{{User|bwburke94}} Per all. The two series are obviously related.
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| == Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC. ==
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| ===Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC.===
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| So the DK series is considered related to the DKC series, but there's others that could be considered related: Donkey Konga and Barrel Blast. 4/26/2024 EDIT: Ok, Hewer brought up Jungle Beat, so I'm adding that in too. Too all opposition. I'm not saying we should include the whole franchise as related, just the ones brought up 2 sections above this one.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}}<br>
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| ====The Donkey Konga series is related to DKC====
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| #{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Per proposal.
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| #[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) - I mean, I wanted to before, and I'm generally more lenient on this kind of thing. I think this is more reasonable than say, ''Diddy Kong Racing''.
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| #{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 2nd choice.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} This is getting much too tenuous, we may as well include the whole Donkey Kong franchise as related at that point. And if we're not including Jungle Beat, including these games that aren't even the same genre makes no sense.
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| #{{User|DrippingYellow}} The ''Donkey Kong'' franchise page lists mainly characters originating from the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series. It follows that characters from DKC are seen as representatives of DK's world in general, rather than merely the DKC games, so simply having these characters is not reason enough to be related to DKC. The best comparison I can think of would be if we were to add the ''[[Mario Kart]]'' series as related to the ''[[Super Mario (series)|Super Mario]]'' series simply for featuring characters that originated from these games.
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| #{{user|MegaBowser64}} Per all of yall (collectively)
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| #{{User|Pizza Master}} Per Hewer.
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} This is really stretching it.
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| {{@|Hewer}} You WANT me to have that as an option? Just making sure. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 13:55, April 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| :No, I was bringing it up as a bad thing that we shouldn't do. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 16:11, April 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::No, the Jungle Beat part. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 17:01, April 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::I don't feel that strongly about including Jungle Beat but I'm leaning towards no based on what was brought up last time about how the developers specifically wanted to differentiate it from DKC. My point in bringing it up was that, given we decided against including it in the previous proposal, it would make no sense to then include these other games that aren't even platformers. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 09:29, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::Updated again. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 10:01, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
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| Look, you all want me to cancel this? [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 20:34, April 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| Ok, I updated this, everyone please have a look at it. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:18, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
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| {{@|Doc von Schmeltwick}} I perfectly agree with you, plus adding Diddy Kong Racing would be stupid. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 13:50, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
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| Ok, can an admin please stop this proposal? The opposition clearly doesn't understand, and I can't deal with this anymore. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 19:26, May 4, 2024 (EDT)
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| :It's not that we don't understand, we just don't agree. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:42, May 6, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::?? Well, {{@|DrippingYellow}} DID suggest Donkey Konga and Barrel Blast, so... just please cancel this and let DrippingYellow deal with this himself. <small><small><small>Well, there goes me trying to help someone.</small></small></small> [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:32, May 6, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::What? DrippingYellow was only considering if the games could potentially be added, people can change their minds. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:03, May 6, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::Then end the proposal! I changed my mind about it! [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:37, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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