Editing Talk:Donkey Kong

==(First topic)==
I think this article has too much to do with the game, ''[[Donkey Kong]]'', and not enough to do with the character.  Does the lawsuit about the arcade game really matter in the Donkey Kong article?
[[User:Waluigi Freak 99|Waluigi Freak 99]] 09:35, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
:Some of the info, mainly under Sequels and spin-offs, needs to be moved to the arcade game. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#063;"><font size="5">'''{{color link|#050|User:Wayoshi|W}}'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php/Special:Random http://www.mariowiki.com/images/2/24/Wayoshisig.png]</span> 11:32, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

== Merge ==
Why would you merge a character with a game? They both deserve their own articles. --<span style=" -variant: small-caps;">'''[[User:Porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]'')</span> 12:00, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

==Question==
If his Mario Baseball bio names Cranky as the original DK, doesnt that prove it? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

Well either way, Does'nt it prove that this DK is NOT the original? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

:The biography that is written in this article may have been written incorrectly. Can someone check the game and see if it says "Cranky Kong" or just "Donkey Kong's ancestor"? Regardless, the game indicates that the current DK is not the original DK. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Theeeeeeeeeeeen, Shouldnt we make three articles? One for the original DK, one for Cranky Kong, and one for the modern DK? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

:Ummm...no. Cranky Kong is most likely the original Donkey Kong. Any info about Donkey Kong should be placed in this article, but mention that the mantle of "Donkey Kong" was passed on to Donkey Kong Jr. (likely the modern Donkey Kong). -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

O.K., I did a little reworking to the article. - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

"sigh" sorry. I misunderstood you. So to make sure I '''Don't'' now, should I delete the original DK info from [[Cranky Kong]]? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

:Well, we can make a short summary of that, as Cranky is most likely the original DK. However, that paragraph should direct us to the Donkey Kong page (like the Baby Mario section of the [[Mario]] article redirects to Baby Mario). -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

==Box art==
Ok whoever is deleting the boxart could you please stop? I'm tired of reposting them over and over again. --[[User:Taj The Genie|Taj The Genie]] 22:14, 28 January 2007 (EST)

==Ok that's it==
Once I get all the pictures back this article needs to be locked! I'm sick of posting these pictures over and over again and they keep getting deleted by a vandal! So please lock this article when all the pictures are back up. --[[User:Taj The Genie|Taj The Genie]] 22:39, 28 January 2007 (EST)
*Its me who is deleting the pics. they are of Kiddy, Diddy, and Dixie. No revelence to '''DK'''. Find artwork of DK from those games and then we will keep'em. --{{user:WarioLoaf/sig}} 22:43, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Yes and he is '''NO''' vandal. Also the boxart doesn't look so good... [[Image:MayorPenguinPM.png]]<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

Ok I get it give it a rest. And it's not all about how the picture looks. --[[User:Taj The Genie|Taj The Genie]] 22:49, 28 January 2007 (EST)
*thepics look great, but Dk isn't the center of the image, its dk's article, not the others' --{{user:WarioLoaf/sig}} 22:51, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Who's moving the Kongs picture to the New Quest section? It belongs in the Back in the Spotlight section, so whoevers moving it could you please stop? 
--[[User:Taj The Genie|Taj The Genie]] 22:55, 28 January 2007 (EST)

*First of all, please use the correct image placement. <nowiki>[[Image name|thumb|left or right|description]]</nowiki>. Note that using pixel sizes are only on a few exceptions. The images in the article are getting too big, aren't they? Plus, be sure that the pic is relevant to the character and section you are placing it in. And try to get DK in alone, not surrounded by the other kongs.
*Second, boxart should '''Never''' be in a character article. If you can't find a pic for the section, just leave it alone.
*Third (and unrelated), why is the [[Donkey Kong#Joining Mario Again]] in the biography section? Should be under other events.

{{User:Knife/sig}}

ummm...sorry, but I started to move boxart to this page. It was back when it needed more images. I added the one with DK (The original DKC) to the page. I did'nt mean for other boxart to be used. so...sorry. - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

== Too Many Images ==

There are too many images in the biography section, cluttering up the words. I was trying to warn all of you of this... {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 12:48, 29 January 2007 (EST)

I noticed that aswell, I think maybe one or two should be removed. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

The pics could work if there were more text in the sections, I will put them back after I rework this article. The article has too much information about the games and not enough about his adventures.{{User:Knife/sig}}

==Artwork==
I think we should stop changing the artwork and just stick with the we have now.--[[User:Taj The Genie|Taj The Genie]] 19:26, 25 February 2007 (EST)

==What do we need to do to make this article better?==
Many people want this article rewritten and lot's of us are doing what we can. So what can we do to make this a better article? --[[User:Taj The Genie|Taj The Genie]] 02:34, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

From reading the first two paragraphs, I can tell it's poorly written. The first paragraph drags in readers, and it is quite bland. The second paragraph has almost every sentence start with "Donkey Kong" and is very bland. There's no description of any of the other Kongs, and both paragraphs are quite short.
Reading on a bit, some of the game description paragraphs are extremely short (such as "Life as a Baby", which is one sentence long), and most need to be rewritten to include better grammar, sentence and paragraph structure, as well as more info.<br>
Start on that, and see how much better it gets. {{User:Luigi hc/sig}}


==DK Crankey Controversy==
Should we make a special page article on this controversy?-Pal101

I think there should be a disambiguation page in place.<br>[[User:Confused|<span style="color:Red;">I</span>]] [[User talk:Confused|<span style="color:Blue;">am</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Confused|<span style="color:Green;">Confused</span>]] 12:36, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Yeah I was about to suggest that-Pal101

There's a page about that at the Mushroom Kingdom,(the Mario fan site). How bout we link there? -Nerdy Guy
==Image==
I think the SSB image needs to be improved... I mean, is DK been attacked? It's very hard to tell what he's doing, and you can't really see him. [[User:Super Mario 256|Super Mario 256]] 15:49, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

He's Ground Punding with his hands. 
A common move in Several DK Games. [[User:Angry Sun|Angry Sun]] 23:13, 19 May 2007 (EDT)


== Something I've been thinking about... ==

Why is it that the original 3 DK Games say that Donkey Kong is the character and not Cranky?
Perhaps a "(Cranky Kong at the time)"? [[User:Angry Sun|Angry Sun]] 23:15, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

== DK Jet Image and the Future Section Edit ==

I added a little extra space after the "Future" section so that that pesky line wouldn't be going clean through the image any more. Please let me know if this was an inappropriate edit, and feel free to revert it. I just felt that this fine image deserved better than to have a line clear through it. {{User:Dinosaur bob/sig}} 10:57, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

== Original DK ==
If Cranky is indeed the Original DK, then wouldn't the modern Donkey Kong be Donkey Kong Junior? It does imply that, but doesn't say that. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 14:10, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Although in the original Donkey Kong Country games made by Rare it was implied that Cranky was the original DK, now Nintendo, Paon, and any other company that makes Donkey Kong games presently, have never stated wether or not this is true. It may have just been intentionally forgotten, sort of like how Tiny Kong was originally Dixie Kong's 'little sister'. {{User:Lanky kong/sig}}
:That doesn't mean it doesn't hold. And for the Tiny Kong and Dixie Kong thing, age doesn't hold hormones. People get hormones at different ages. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 19:21, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

==Who is DK==

Not to say that the article should turn a certain way, but this article keeps on switching between ideas. In the Who is DK section, we state that it is confirmed that he isn't the original DK, but in other sections like the DK Jr. (relationships) section we state that it's his son! Just pick one for God's sake!!! [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:THANK YOU!  We all know that the original DK was retconed to be Cranky Kong, so why did you guys revert my edits way back?  Whoa... I'm still spiteful about that.  That's not good.  Anyway, HyperToad, my edits were about the biography section, so could I put those back in? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:28, 2 January 2008 (EST)
::I dunno, what were they? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]] This article needs to be cleaned up.
:::This is about as good as I can do to show the differences: http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Donkey_Kong&diff=306297&oldid=196161 The sections that got deleted were the first three DK games (although I think I may have removed or severely limited the section about DK3 b/c DK Jr. wasn't there) along with DK math.  Once DK Jr. was out of the picture, people were fine with my edits.  So, yeah.  Take a peek and see if you want DK (Game Boy), DK Jr., and DK Jr. Math put back in there. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:15, 8 January 2008 (EST)

I'm saying we have 3 options:

#Say throughout the article that he is the original DK
#Say throughout the ENTIRE article that he is DK Jr.
#Say it's unknown.

We can NOT keep on switching back and forth! In the original DK game section it speaks as if he is the DK seen there, but in the DKC section it says he is a grown up DK Jr. PICK ONE! [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:And I'm saying you're right.  Number 2, definately.  I don't care if it wasn't "spelled out," because Nintendo and Rare assumed that its players wouldn't be silly like this, so... Number 2.  What do you say, HT? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:54, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Of course, number 2 is the truth. Just because it hasn't been restated a minor time direct by saying "Donkey Kong used to be DK Jr." doesn't mean it's not true. But who's gonna make the change? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]

On a related note, should the [[Yoshi's Island DS]] section be kept when it's changed? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]

maybe it's like link ya know, more than one of him.

{{User:Master Crash/sig}}

Definately, Hyper Toad.  We shouldn't make the assumption that that was Cranky until we get some kind of confirmation. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:11, 24 January 2008 (EST)

So the Original DK game section has to go first of all. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:What's about keeping the section and stating somewhere that Nintendo can't settle their minds on the subject? [[Rareware]] says DKC Donkey is a grownup Donkey Kong Jr and Nintendo seems to agree... 'till they retcon it away in some game ([[Mario VS Donkey Kong]], I think) and says DK has alway been the same. And then [[Namco]] come along and says Donkey is a grownup Donkey Kong Jr. in the baseball game. It's all realy confusing. {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
::Blitzwing: How was it retconed?  Are you talking about the "Mario squares off against his original foe?"  ...because I think that was just advertisement material (still legit, but in the face of the other sources, Namco and Rare, I dunno.) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:38, 1 February 2008 (EST)
:::About the retcon stuff.. Well, I remmember that the guys at that "Donkey Kong Universe" fansite are alway whining about how Nintendo retconed the current DK origin, or something. I don't want to go to that hatefull, eyesore of a forum again, so I can't give specific examples. but I know Nintendo contraticted the stuff about DK origin somewhere, that's for sure. {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
::Perhaps in the cartoon shows? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:40, 1 March 2008 (EST)

== Main picture ==

What game is the main picture from? And the one from the "physical appearence" section, where's that from? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}20:25, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:''[[Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'', his most recent adventure appearance.  If you are interested in the DK series, you can still buy it new from online retailers. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 01:36, 1 March 2008 (EST)

::Both the main picture '''and''' the one in the physical appearance? And I'm not interested in the series, I just think whenever there's a picture, there should be a note of where it's from. Would I be able to add a summary of the picture, or can only the person who uploads it do that? Otherwise, it should say in the caption, "from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat". {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
:::Yup.  Both of 'em.  You can edit an image page as you would a standard page.  Should be something like: <nowiki>{{aboutfile|''[[Donkey Kong Jungle Beat]]'' official artwork: [[Donkey Kong]] flexing his muscle.}}</nowiki> There's a place for source, but only the uploader of the image can tell you that.  If you find the image elsewhere, re-upload it, overwriting the old image, and add the source where you found it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 12:33, 1 March 2008 (EST)

== Grandson ==

The current Donkey Kong is the grandson of the original Donkey Kong (aka Cranky Kong). Nintendo has actually gone back and forth (see [http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml]), but the current stance seems to be that he is the grandson. This means that he is the son of Donkey Kong Jr. (who has been absent for quite some time, other than the occasional sports appearance). [[User:TJ Spyke|TJ Spyke]] 17:12, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Uh... all this is confusing. I'm wondering, where's the proof Cranky Kong is the Donkey Kong who kidnapped Pauline? It could be that current Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong Jr., Cranky Kong is Donkey Kong Jr.'s grandfather (original Donkey Kong's father), and the original Donkey Kong is the one who hasn't shown up. (Sigh) sometimes I wish you could just ask Nintendo about these things. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 18:26, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Ever played ''Donkey Kong Country''? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:35, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

No. Well, maybe a friend of mine had it for GBA, an I played a few levels, but that's it. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 18:46, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

== Watch Out ==

Some guy is putting arguements about DK-Cranky controversy in sections other than the section that's about it. I found "If Cranky is the original DK, the why hasn't Mario aged?" or something of that likeness in the ''Trivia'' Section. That makes no sense. T.T [[User:Thedude3445]]10:58 PM EST May 29, 2008

Actually, gorillas get aged before humans. 
[[User:Drmgin|Drmgin]] 15:45, 9 January 2009 (EST)

== The truth ==

Ok, we talked about that a lot, but seems like there's still someone who's unsure about DK's identity (he is the original? his son? or his grandson?) The section in this page seems to tell how the things are, but doesn't really explains much. Here is how things really are once and for all.
DK appeared in his game without tie. ok. in the sequel appeared his son, DK Jr. ok. Now, in the Game Boy remake (Donkey Kong '94) they returned and DK was redesigned to wear a tie (yes, THIS is the first appearence of the tie, not DK Country, so in the most recent design of the original DK he wears a tie).
The same year Rare created DK Country. The original idea was: DK is the same of the original; on his side there's a redesigned DK Jr.; then there is the grandpa, Cranky Kong, a new character. But Nintendo didn't like DK Jr's new design, so Rare rewrote the story: DK is a grown up DK Jr.; the redesigned DK Jr. is a new character: Diddy Kong; Cranky Kong is the original DK. So, the truth is DK is Cranky's son? It should be, but for some reason in DKC he says Cranky is his grandfather (maybe a remaining of the original version of the plot). Things just started to get confused as Nintendo took the grandfather theory as right, while Rare continued with DK as Cranky's son. So, in Rare games DK IS Cranky's son, while in Nintendo games DK IS Cranky's grandson. That's it.
Then there's the theory that the present DK and the original are one and the same, but this is because of Mario vs. DK, that said "Mario faces his original nemesis", but this doesn't state that the DK in that game is the original Donkey Kong, just that he's A Donkey Kong, plus, also considering that DK as the original, that just means the game is placed shortly after the original DK, and the character is a young Cranky.
I think that's all. Whoa.--[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] 20:56, 25 March 2009 (EDT)


One thing I never understood is why people think Cranky can't be both DK's father AND grandfather. Many people are adopted and raised by their biological grandparents, thus making them their adoptive parents. The quotes from DKC and DK64 seem to indicate that this is the case (Cranky raised DK as his son, but is his biological grandfather). Thus the current DK can be a grown up DK Jr. and still be Cranky's biological grandson. [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] ([[User talk:Buddy Christ|talk]])

== Trivia ==

Okay, I was reading the Trivia section, and I think the part about Dk's speech patterns should either be finished or moved to a different part of his page. That little piece has been unfinished for sometime, and I really think someone needs to fill in the parts that are missing. I can't do it, because I don't have enough games to reference to, but I do know it needs to be finished!
--[[User:FunkyK38|&#123;&#123;User:FunkyK38/sig}}]] 11:04, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

== Split the original Donkey Kong? ==
What do you think about splitting the original Donkey Kong from this article who first appeared in the arcade game? It has been stated many times that the ape of ''Donkey Kong Country'' and the original one are two different characters. There was even a time when the two Kongs appeared in parallel when the ''Game & Watch Gallery'' games were released. The modern DK was everywhere else, but in said games, his ancestor was still around and was based on his design in  [[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|''Game Boy Donkey Kong'']] (his modern counterpart was only seen in the last ''Game & Watch Gallery''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s title screen). --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 07:38, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:You're right, even if he's called Donkey Kong in Donkey Kong, he's still Cranky.Many games(DKC) says that.SO?A proposal maybe?{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
::I'd like to read some more opinions, maybe this can be settled without a proposal. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:26, 28 May 2010 (EDT)
Some questions: What exactly would be the result of this if it happens? Would the information be moved to [[Cranky Kong]], or will 8-bit DK have an article to himself? What would that article be called? --{{User:Marcelagus/sig}}
:Definitely not merging with Cranky Kong, this incarnation of the Donkey Kong character is very different from the original one (it would be like merging Mario and Dr. Mario). I'm not exactly sure about the article's title, I thought about "Donkey Kong (original)", but that could make people think of the "original" arcade game. Or "Donkey Kong (original character)"? That's quite long, though. Any suggestions? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 17:22, 29 May 2010 (EDT)

I know! We'll make an article named Donkey Kong's Grandfather. How do I know? Snake's codecs in SSBB. Otacon(or whatever his name is) said that "The Donkey Kong who faught that epic battle with Mario was this guy's grandfather).Enough proofs I think. What do you guys think?{{User:Mr bones/sig}}

I don't know why shouldn't we merge with Cranky Kong. They are the same person, Cranky says that in DKC games! However, it is not stated that Dr Mario and Mario are different persons. Also, Dr Mario and Mario appeared in SSB as two diferent characters. It's like a form of Mario or something...{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
:Still, Cranky Kong is very different from his younger self, even though they are the same person, therefore I think it shouldn't be merged. I'd rather want to see [[Nurse Toadstool]] merged with Peach. Anyway, in case of the title, "Donkey Kong's Grandfather" would only be used if his name was unknown. I still think "Donkey Kong (original)" would be best. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 15:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Two opinions aren't enough, we should make a proposal.{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
:With the follwoing three options: "Create separate article Donkey Kong (original)", "Merge relevant information with Cranky Kong", and "Do nothing"? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 17:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's all we have for now so...If there is another suggestion it may be posted on comments.{{User:Mr bones/sig}}

:I think it doesn't make much sense to separate all things: while we all followed the debates about DK's identity, the average Wiki reader may be unaware of that, and in most cases wouldn't even care! Searching for a list of games DK starred in, he/she would probably want to see the original Donkey Kong game and all the DK Country games listed! I think things as they are now may not be perfect, but are certainly most useful: we have an article for every Kong name: [[Donkey Kong]], [[Baby Donkey Kong]], [[Donkey Kong Jr.]] and [[Cranky Kong]]. Specifying in the games description that the Country DK is the original's son or grandson is enough. Splitting the articles would make things too nerdy.--[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] 13:01, 9 May 2011 (EDT)


I think we should merge it with Cranky Kong. It just makes a lot of sense to me. Even before I new about CK I knew that the DK from the arcade game was NOT the actual DK. Plus, this wiki is supposed to have correct info right? If we said that the DK from the arcade game is the current DK, we would be telling a lie! NO LIES ON THIS WIKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AS VANDALISM!!!!!!!!!! 

--{{User:Pichi-Hime6/sig}} 13:25, 21 November 2011 (EST)

==Donkey Kong and Funky Kong- Brothers?==
I'm curious. Exactly where was it ever stated that Donkey Kong and Funky Kong were related? I don't recall this being stated in any official sources.

-[[User:SolarBlaze|SolarBlaze]] 19:55, 15 June 2010 (EST)

==Relations with Yoshi==

Shouldn't we add Yoshi to the Relationship with other characters. Yoshi did save him from Bowser as well

[[User:Tails777|Tails777]]

:That was [[Baby Donkey Kong]]. {{user:Mario jc/sig}}

::Yes, but Baby Donkey Kong ''was'' Donkey Kong at one point. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 10:08, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

:::Let's add it.{{User:CatJedi/sig}}

== Confusing Relation ==

This is how I look at the Kong family tree:

'''Cranky Kong''' married '''Wrinkly Kong'''<br>
had '''Donkey Kong Jr.''' <br>
'''Donkey Kong''' is Donkey Kong Jr.'s son.

Now, I am confused about how [[Dixie]] and DK are cousins.

I think Swanky, Lanky and Funky are '''just random Kongs with no relation'''.

Dixie and Tiny are the cousins of Chunky and Kiddy.
Chunky and Kiddy and brothers.                                 

Candy Kong loves Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong loves Candy Kong

Diddy loves Dixie
Dixie loves Diddy.

So, if I'm wrong, I want to know how the random Kongs are related to DK because many people say that they are related.
{{User:DKPetey99/sig}}

== Donkey Kong III ==
In the character infobox, it shows the character's full name. If Donkey Kong is the grandson of [[Cranky Kong|Donkey "Cranky" Kong Sr.]] and the son of [[Donkey Kong Jr.]], wouldn't that make him '''Donkey Kong III''' since when your father and grandfather has the same name as you, you'd have a III at the end of your full name? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 15:31, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, that makes sense. Ask [[User:Porplemontage|Steve]]. He should have an answer.

--{{User:Pichi-Hime6/sig}} 13:27, 21 November 2011 (EST)

:Actually, Donkey Kong is ''not'' the son of Donkey Kong Jr. It's the other way round. Donkey Kong Jr. is the son of Donkey Kong. So the III has no place on the article. 

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 16:26, 17 October 2012 (EDT) 

== DK Tie ==

In the Creation section it says that [[Donkey Kong Country]] introduced Donkey Kong's new look with the red tie.  But [[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)]] came out in June 1994 while DKC came out in November 1994, making the Game Boy game the first to feature the tie. --[[User:Zeikcied|Zeikcied]] 01:41, 20 January 2012 (EST)
:Then change it. If information is wrong, you don't have to ask to change it.[[User:M&amp;L|M&amp;L+No Moar Picklez=Wurld War III]] 17:39, 7 February 2012 (EST)

== Mario Party ==

Shouldn't we have info from the [[Mario Party (Series)|Mario Party]] games here?--[[Koopakid10]]
:http://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong#Mario_Party_series {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
Oopsy Doopsy. :P [[Koopakid10]]

==What is up with the name "Donkey Kong III" being used in this article?==

It is never stated anywhere that the current Donkey Kong is the son of DK Jr. It is stated that the current Donkey Kong is Cranky's grandson, and also that Cranky raised the current Donkey Kong (Cranky says "Close the door on your way out, I didn't raise you in a barn!" in the original DKC, and also calls DK his son in DK64). This would effectively make Cranky Kong both DK's father and grandfather, meaning that the current Donkey Kong may very well be Donkey Kong Jr. [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] ([[User talk:Buddy Christ|talk]])


I removed the title "Donkey Kong III" (because he has NEVER been referred to by that title in any game) and the part that says he is the son of DK Jr. (It's not confirmed that he is a separate character from Jr., since Cranky states that he raised the current DK, and even if he is a separate character from Jr., Jr. could very well be the current DK's uncle or something).[[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] ([[User talk:Buddy Christ|talk]])

== Donkey Kong III. ==

This Donkey Kong first appeared in [[Donkey Kong Country]] in 1994.

There are two big problems with using the term "Donkey Kong III": 1) This article also talks about Cranky Kong when he was still the original Donkey Kong, and 2) It has never been used in an officially licensed Nintendo product. (Also, remember to sign your posts.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:53, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:This goddamn "Donkey Kong being DK Jr.'s son" is starting to annoy me to no end. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:33, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

==One game is missing!==

Under the ''Mario vs Donkey Kong series'' should be: ''[[Mario and Donkey Kong: Minis on the Move]]'' Shouldn't this be added?
{{User|Agentdave7}}
:Well, yeah, but since it doesn't garner much attention compared to other games, coverage pertaining to this is much slower. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 14:45, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

==Rewrite==
Should this page need information about DK's appearance in the Mario Baseball series? [[User:SuperZtar|SuperZtar]] ([[User talk:SuperZtar|talk]]) 09:56, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
:Well, we have to cover every official appearance, and Mario Baseball games are obviously official, so of course this page needs information about the Baseball games aside from statistics. This article does have a rewrite template for a reason.<br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 21:32, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

Despite not even having an account, I had to say this: who edited the top of the article so it mentions - to indirectly address it - something NSFW? (you should know what I'm talking about) [[Special:Contributions/76.79.232.194|76.79.232.194]] 15:35, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
: I'm just gonna quickly remove that part right now, which I wish I did instead. Delete this comment if you want, I don't really care. [[Special:Contributions/76.79.232.194|76.79.232.194]] 15:37, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

==Stanley referred to as Mario's cousin==
I've done some admittedly cursory searching, and all I can find about Stanley being Mario's cousin is forums where people are looking for evidence, and Motherboard articles mentioning forums where people are looking for evidence. Thankfully, this assertion is nowhere on Stanley's own article, nor the ''Donkey Kong 3'' article, but I've placed a "citation needed" in this one, just in case there's some obscure, but significant source backing this up. [[User:FiveSparklyStars|FiveSparklyStars]] ([[User talk:FiveSparklyStars|talk]]) 06:22, 2 April 2017 (EDT)

:Interesting claim. Thanks for looking into it.

:{{User:Shokora/sig}} 06:48, 2 April 2017 (EDT)

== Tarzan Yell ==

I noticed that he can do the Tarzan Yell like this, "Ooo-wa-ooo-aaooaaooaa-ooo!" He first did this in Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat. [[User:NoahAlexanderJohnson101|NoahAlexanderJohnson101]] ([[User talk:NoahAlexanderJohnson101|talk]]) 15:34, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

== Game Appearance section ==

Why is there not a Game Appearance section for Donkey Kong?
--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 02:36, 10 November 2018 (EST)

== Giant Donkey Kong in Smash Bros. Ultimate ==
Back on my own talk page, me, Doc von Schmeltwick and Alex95 were talking about whether to consider the Giant Donkey Kong at the end of Jigglypuff's Classic Mode route of ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' (and subsequently, all other giant and metal opponents of playable fighters from ''Melee'' onwards) a boss or not. Alex95 suggested to start a discussion on Donkey Kong's talk page and so here we are now. To quickly catch up, I state that those are not bosses. Rather, they are fighters that have permanent Super Mushroom or Metal Box items attached to them, kinda like how a Special Smash would work and they have to be KO'd by smashing them off-screen after filling up their damage percentage meter high enough, and they don't use an actual health bar like the "actual" bosses in World of Light and Classic Mode (those being Marx, Dracula, Ganon, Dharkon, Giga Bowser, Rathalos, Galeem, Galleom, Master Hand and Crazy Hand). Not to mention, in Classic Mode, the game doesn't denote which fighters are regular or giant until after the specified fight begins (e.g. Joker's Classic Mode route features fights against both a Giant Kirby and a Giant Incineroar, yet the game doesn't label those as giant in the VS splash screen). Finally, in general, the fights against regular playable characters are not bosses as they're just a regular Smash match at the end (e.g. Mega Man's route ends with a fight against Dr. Mario and Mewtwo in quick succession). And in even rarer cases, the actual boss fight isn't at the end of the route but before it ends (e.g. Bowser's route has a fight against Rathalos in Round 6 with the actual final round being against Mario and then a permanently-Metal Boxed Mario afterwards). The other two users, on the other hand, state the opposite (with the only argument used being they count as bosses). After some thinking, I also realized that bringing this over to this talk page could generate more discussion, and I'm kinda interested to see what you guys think. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 12:32, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
:[[SmashWiki:Giant Donkey Kong|Smash Wiki also defines Giant Donkey Kong as a boss]]. It's more than just his role, the permanent Super Mushroom is something the player cannot do in Classic Mode. He may not have a health bar like Giga Bowser, but he is still placed at the end of routes and fulfills the same requirements as any other Classic Mode boss. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:41, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
::Reopening this discussion because the addition is still under dispute. Giant Donkey Kong is a superpowered character faced at the end of a Classic route, he counts as a boss. So do Metal Mario and all the other boss characters that don't have healthbars. "They don't have healthbars", "The announcer says 'Go'", and "regular Smash battle" aren't valid reasons to disqualify them as bosses. I direct you to [[Master Core]]. Master Core's taken out with a Smash battle after all his shapeshifting and you're not saying ''he's'' not a boss. Giant/metal characters faced at the end of a run count as bosses. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 16:23, August 30, 2019 (EDT)

Sakurai considers the fights at the end of Classic Mode bosses himself, so yeah if he classify's it as a boss then it's a boss. {{User:Korporal K. Reep/sig}} 04:50, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

== Donkey Kong III ==

I just added that technically, his name is Donkey Kong III, since he is the son of Donkey Kong Junior, who is the son of Donkey "Crank" Kong, but it was removed because "fanfics don't belong here". Firstly I wasn't aware there was a fanfic of this, secondly, he IS the third because of the two previous DKs. Should it still not be listed? [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 19:48, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
:No, because firstly, that is a completely unofficial fan-name, and secondly, their specific background isn't always [[Cranky Kong#Identity confusion|consistent]]. The [[Cranky Kong#Background|official story]] is that Cranky "relinquished" his name to the modern Donkey Kong. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:23, June 29, 2019 (EDT)
::Fair enough. As long as there is official proof that this is the case, then I'm fine with that. [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 00:53, June 29, 2019 (EDT)

== Magician ==

Why is he in the "Magician" category? There's no mention of him using any magic in the article and I can't remember any instances of him using it. [[User:Baconator2558|Baconator2558]] ([[User talk:Baconator2558|talk]]) 00:04, August 18, 2019 (EDT)
:Every playable character in Mario Party 2 can be a magician and Donkey Kong is one of them.
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== DK's Dab ==

Am I allowed to add any refernce to DK's dab in this website? {{unsigned|209.140.44.14}}

:It's not that you aren't allowed, more that not every single instance of a meme is considered noteworthy enough to mention. ("Sure, he dabs. And then what?") This one's much too minor. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:28, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

:You're right, it's too minor to be in this wiki. Let's not mention anything about this (including the [[Rabbid Kong]] page). {{unsigned|209.140.44.14}}

::Please don't try to end around it by inserting notes, either, Recent Changes exists and it genuinely isn't needed. Anyone confused on the manner can refer to this discussion, ask an admin, etc. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:53, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

::Also Rabbid Kong's example is relevant because of the animation being a beta element of sorts that was changed for the final release of the game. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:54, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

::: Not Really, the move was created in 2015, Mario Kart 8 came out in 2014, making this situation about Donkey Kong completely coincidental --Sdman213 - [[User:Sdman213|Profile]] 00:58, 23 August 2019 (EDT)

::: I'm aware, I'm speaking in terms of why the mention on Rabbid Kong is allowed where this isn't. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 01:15, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

::: Oh Ok, gotcha. --Sdman213 - [[User:Sdman213|Profile]] 01:46, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

:Context for undo: Never mind how unreasonably determined you are to shove in a mention of DK doing this One Thing. As was stated by Sdman, we already have a gallery where that image can go, and the way it was haphazardly inserted in the page only clutters things up. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 02:03, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!! OKAYY OKAYYY! I GET IT! But there's only one article (Rabbid Kong) that features the word "Dab", but I want MOre Article with the word "Dab"! Ohh who am I kidding? I'll stop adding Dab to any more articles. {{unsigned|63.143.196.182}}

:[https://i.ibb.co/jRbHkYg/614-Vms-Fwo-NL-SX466.jpg Ok.] --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 01:44, September 24, 2019 (EDT)

Ludwig also dabs but I don't think I should mention mention it as well. Well it could be based on something from the ''Super Sentai'' show.
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:"Dabbing" is itself just uncreative sentai posing. But most importantly, it's a stupid thing that doesn't need mentioning. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:01, October 5, 2019 (EDT)
::The [[Wikipedia:Dab (dance)|dab]] will be below for everyone to see: [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:MK8_Donkey_Kong_Bike_Trick2.png]
Also I should've asked you guys first before adding this.
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:::How long do you plan on dragging out this absolutely inane and moronic topic. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 17:27, October 7, 2019 (EDT)

Drop it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:37, October 7, 2019 (EDT)
:Yes, agreed. This topic has gone on for far too long. Also, you wanting the word "Dab" on more pages does not mean we put "Dab" on more pages. In the eight months I've been here, I've picked up that we run on consensus, not users unilaterally deciding that this constitutes adding all over a personal opinion. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 17:50, October 7, 2019 (EDT)

:And I'm pretty sure that means "actually stop" as opposed to "conveniently remove the discussion so you have a grounds to start this nonsense up again" that takes five seconds to see through. Just a guess, though. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 17:50, October 7, 2019 (EDT)

Alright here's the deal! If I don't add the word "dab" to any articles other than Rabbid Kong, this topic will end. But if I do vandalize a page with dab, this topic won't end!
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Anyone else thinking we should protect this page soon, since apparently they think trying to bargain with admins is a good idea? --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 17:09, October 8, 2019 (EDT)

Since this guy is incredibly adamant on adding this minor piece of non-information, even going as far as to [[smashwiki:User_talk:Alex95#Shy_Guy.27s_real_face|bug me on Smash Wiki about it]], I'll try to explain exactly why it doesn't belong here.<br>
First of all, as Sdman213 pointed out, DK used it a year before it became a wide-spread thing; it wasn't really called a dab until 2015. However, according to {{wp|Dab (dance)|Wikipedia on Dabbing}}, the gesture has been around since the 1990s and was not meant to be a glorified dance move. It was known as a "Sentai move", or "squadron move" among other translations, and wasn't really much of a wide-spread deal. Just a regular gesture that wasn't used by cringy children until decades later.<br>
Additionally, Donkey Kong performs several different gestures as tricks. Why should the dab be specifically mentioned? Why should only Donkey Kong be mentioned, when we got [[:File:Waluigi-Kart-Trick3-MK8.png|Waluigi]] and [[:File:CatPeach-Kart-Trick3-MK8.png|Cat Peach]] doing whatever? I suppose we could point out some references in the [[Trick#Trivia|trivia section of the Trick article]], but that's a separate discussion. The only reason why we cover the dab on [[Rabbid Kong]]'s page is because the animation was moved from him to Luigi by the final game (we'd probably still cover it anyway, considering how meme-y ''Mario + Rabbids'' is).<br>
Get a new obsession, kid. Move on. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:00, October 12, 2019 (EDT)

==Original vs. Modern DK==
Not sure why my addition was removed, I feel it's definitely important to note that in some depictions, DKC DK has been referenced as being the same as Classic DK. Both of the first two Smash games reference him as being the original character who appeared in the arcade Donkey Kong, and Mario vs. Donkey Kong references him as "being up to his old tricks again", there are a few other examples IIRC but I'd have to look into it some more.

Even though it's covered in the Cranky Kong article, I definitely think it's important to note here so I don't see why it's not necessary on both pages given the other inconsistencies throughout the years are mentioned on both. It doesn't seem like Nintendo really makes much of a distinction between "classic" and "modern" DK given the loose nature of the Mario series' canon (Baby DK comes to mind), so I don't get why it's not worth mentioning. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 19:32, January 25, 2020 (EST)
:The early ''Super Smash Bros.'' games aren't notable because they also seemingly treat Link like one individual character. The marketing of ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' ''does'' imply that Donkey Kong is from the arcade game; however, the storyline of its direct sequel ''also'' implies that Donkey Kong fell in love with Pauline at first sight, which strongly suggests that he can't be the same Donkey Kong or even Donkey Kong Jr. As far as I can tell, inconsistencies like this only happened because Nintendo wasn't quite sure what to do with the property after Rare left - Nintendo never actually tried to retcon Cranky Kong out of being the original Donkey Kong, even if Rare couldn't keep their story straight on his exact relationship to the modern Donkey Kong toward the end. Despite the interim between Rare and Retro's platformers, Nintendo still acknowledged that the arcade Donkey Kong is an ancestor of the modern one, such as in ''Mario Superstar Baseball'' and ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'', and the current story on Cranky Kong is the original one from ''Donkey Kong Country''. For these reasons, the bigger story is Rare's inconsistent portrayal of Cranky Kong as either Donkey Kong's grandfather or father, and regardless, all of this is directed to the [[Cranky Kong#Identity confusion|identity confusion]] section. Like what was decided for the [[Koopalings#Family relationship|Koopalings]], it's for the best to keep the information all in [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|one spot]], because doing otherwise is messy and can potentially cause even more confusion, which isn't really necessary when this has been a settled issue for a good decade. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:30, January 25, 2020 (EST)
::I'd argue the fact that the original DK and modern DK share an article (while simultaneously having a separate article for Cranky) with no mention of why is far more confusing. Like I said, Nintendo doesn't really keep a super consistent canon, and it seems to me that they don't really make an official distinction between the two incarnations of Donkey Kong on any sort of large scale, given some of the other elements they introduced (Baby DK, DK Jr. originally being DK's partner in beta versions of Double Dash, etc.), I'd say it warrants at least a sentence covering it, I don't see how that causes any more confusion than the current setup, especially since the "original vs. modern DK" dichotomy is barely referenced in DK games nowadays.

::A note on the Smash thing too, I double-checked that and it doesn't bear anything saying there's only one Link or that OoT Link and LoZ/LTTP Link are the same, just that Link is the hero of the Zelda series (which he is, I don't think the idea of a Zelda timeline or there being different Links was established at that point, just that the games have their own continuity), unlike the DK ones where it explicitly references them as being the same. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 07:31, January 26, 2020 (EST)
:::Link and Zelda have been established as more than one character '''very''' early on, the latter since ''[[tcrf:Zelda II: The Adventure of Link/Regional Differences#Intro|The Adventure of Link]]'' and both since ''[https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/box/3/2/2/18322_back.jpg A Link to the Past]''. Despite this, the bio text in the original ''Super Smash Bros.'' treats Link as one character: "''Link is the valiant boy hero of "The Legend of Zelda" series in which he fights against the evil Ganon to recover the Triforce. '''Though his tools may change with each adventure, his strength and righteousness remain constant.''' With his trusty sword and a variety of weapons, he takes adventure head on!''" In ''Melee'', the Link and Zelda trophies are written based specifically on their ''Ocarina of Time'' incarnations, yet the game listed is ''The Legend of Zelda'' (even Young Link, who's the Hero of Time, is considered as such). This isn't much different to claiming that Donkey Kong used to be "kidnapping beautiful maidens" and engaging in "construction site mischief". This isn't Nintendo making authoritative statements, but rather stilted, sloppy writing on the part of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' developers and translators who clearly didn't do as much research on the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series as you'd think, resulting in [[Diddy Kong#Friends|Diddy Kong being Donkey Kong's nephew]], [[List of rumors and urban legends about Mario#King K. Rool's costumes are separate characters in Japan|Kaptain K. Rool being King K. Rool's brother]], and at least [[Enguarde the Swordfish#Super Smash Bros. for Wii U trophy|one trophy]] seemingly [[Special:Diff/1751265|referencing us]]. These days, the ''Zelda'' characters are treated as more like archtypes than individuals; I don't see why Donkey Kong can't be the same. Yes, Nintendo especially plays continuity loose in spinoffs, which is how Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. appeared together in ''Mario Tennis'' in a manner not unlike the babies; however, I'd also suggest that the ''Donkey Kong'' branch of the franchise has a greater sense of continuity than most overall, particularly during Rare's tenure. The articles '''do''' currently state Cranky Kong as the elderly form of the original Donkey Kong right at [[Donkey Kong|the]] [[Cranky Kong|top]], and sentences regarding the confusion [[Donkey Kong#Creation|are]] [[Donkey Kong Jr.|present]] but kept to a minimum - as I say, the [[Talk:Koopalings#The Koopalings are .5Binsert repetitive statement.5D|Koopaling situation]] essentially did what you're suggesting, which is [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|generally discouraged]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:39, January 26, 2020 (EST)



Probably because it has already been confirmed canon that the Original Dk and Modern Dk are not the same person. So your information won't be needed. And yah like Link said, Alot of English translations are not right within the actual games canon. {{User:Korporal K. Reep/sig}} 04:55, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

== Why has a section for Dr Mario World not been added yet ==

He is in the game now so I really don’t know why that hasn’t been added it still says something about him being datamined which is out of date.
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:Fixed, and again please sign your comments next time with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:02, March 7, 2020 (EST)
Sorry I keep forgetting ~~anonymous user~~
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== Fix the Chaos ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-2-20|Do not move information}}
The current [[Donkey Kong]] that originated from ''[[DKC]]'' is not the original [[Cranky Kong|Donkey Kong]] that originated from ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]''. Yet the wiki currently considers DK and CK to have a first appearance in the '81 DK as the "original DK" and the article for the "current DK" goes over their "appearances" in the older DK media as the "original DK". Either DK or CK is the "original DK", not both. As a wiki, we must move the appearances of the "original DK" in the older DK media (the parts of the current DK's article going over the history of the "original DK") over to [[Cranky Kong]]'s article and remove the "appearance" of ''[[Donkey Kong]]'' (as the original Donkey Kong) (1981) from the [[Donkey Kong|"current DK"]]'s article. While both characters are DK, only Cranky Kong is the "original DK" and the [[Donkey Kong|"current DK"]] is not. That's why we call them the "current DK".

'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>February 14, 2025, 23:59 GMT</s>Closed early on February 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

=== Move "Original DK info" in [[Donkey Kong|this article]]'s history to Cranky Kong's article and remove the ''[[Donkey Kong]]'' (as the original Donkey Kong) (1981) from the [[Donkey Kong|"current DK"]]'s article ===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per.

=== Move Pre-DKC info to {{fake link|Donkey Kong (Pre-DKC)}} ===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Secondary.
#{{User|Salmancer}} At the very least, this option doesn't make ''Super Mario Odyssey'' give me a splitting headache.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Nintendo101}} The ''individual'' that is Cranky Kong is supposedly the original DK from the arcade game, in terms of lore and continuity. However, he is not the same ''character'' from that game. The Donkey Kong you play as in ''Donkey Kong Country'' is the same character from the arcade game, and this is reflected in how Nintendo utilizes and brands the latter character throughout history, from ''[[Gallery:Mario Tennis (Nintendo 64)|Mario Tennis]]'' (which includes the ''Donkey Kong Country'' iteration of DK alongside... Donkey Kong Jr., which makes no sense if the continuity established by Rare was always true) to the [[:File:DonkeyKongMovieStadium2.png|recent movie]]. Perhaps a decent parallel is that the {{iw|zeldawiki|Hero's Spirit}} from ''Twilight Princess'' is the same individual {{iw|zeldawiki|Link}} from ''Ocarina of Time'', but he is not the same character from that game, and Zelda Wiki covers that material accurately. If that is not sufficient, I find [https://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/25/3407672/miyamoto-the-mario-cast-is-a-troupe-of-actors-and-bowsers-kids-are this article quoting Shigeru Miyamoto] to be contextualizing with regard to how they use and conceptualize their characters, in which he states, "If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon... They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games."
#{{user|Super Mario RPG}} Cranky being from the arcade games only occurred during Rare's tenure with Nintendo. Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong are properties of Nintendo.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per Nintendo101. Trying to adhere strictly to the "Donkey Kong in the pre-''Country'' games is Cranky Kong" narrative just doesn't work in the long run, because unlike, say, [[Wrinkly Kong]], Nintendo is a ''lot'' more willing to play fast-and-loose with Cranky's continuity and if he's either the Donkey Kong we see in the original arcade game, or just an elderly member of the Kong family; heck, in the movie, Cranky isn't even Donkey's grandfather--he's just his ''father'' father. If that doesn't say "Cranky Kong and Donkey Kong's familial relationship can vary based on story", nothin' will. Rather than try to assert one of these is "the true answer" when there almost certainly isn't one, we feel like [[Cranky Kong#Identity confusion|the pre-existing section]] on Cranky's article already does a suitable enough job of clearing up the situation while not making any strong leaps to assert one narrative over the other.
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Completely removing everything about the arcade games from this article is a seriously bad idea.
#{{User|DryBonesBandit}} Per all.
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Not entirely per anyone here. I just feel like the information about the Donkey Kong character should be accessed at the Donkey Kong page, and the pages already make the distinction between DKs as clear as they can be.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} some writer at rare decided "hey let's make the character do a fun reference to that arcade game in the form of this old guy quoting it" and then proceeded to break the mario fandom's spine over it
#{{User|PopitTart}} Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong.
#{{User|Salmancer}} This is one of those things where a wiki about fictional characters has to decide where on the spectrum it lands between "treat things as the events of the fiction are real" and "treat things as them being fictional works". I think Super Mario Wiki leans closer to the latter. (Why hello, [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] for saying there is no canon and [[MarioWiki:Naming]] for sticking to names as presented per game rather than updating to the most current name.) Given this it makes sense to say: "Cranky Kong is a character using early appearances of the Donkey Kong character as fun way to build a backstory for a rambling old man character and present the reimagined Donkey Kong character as being hip and fresh despite how the character was created before some in the target audience were born".
#{{User|Sdman213}} Nope, don't change this.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I can get behind this if the designs were kept straight, but that's not always the case, and the timing isn't great when there looks like an update on the horizon.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) - Per all, especially since the recent design is a Kong-lomeration of the pre- and post-Rare designs.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} I think that the whole "Cranky Kong was the original Donkey Kong" shtick was just a one-off joke for the original ''DKC'' that should not be taken too seriously, especially considering that the ''Mario'' and ''DK'' canons are extremely inconsistent, including [[Cranky_Kong#Identity_confusion|the relation between Cranky and Donkey Kong]].
#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, the lore of Cranky being the original Donkey Kong is not as consistent as this proposal makes it out to be. Also, see [[Paper Mario (character)]].
#{{User|Rykitu}} Please no
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Generally, people are looking for information about Donkey Kong on the Donkey Kong article, including the game ''Donkey Kong'' which stars Donkey Kong.
#{{User|Arend}} Yeah no, per all. (Also to add on Camwoodstock's point: in the 2023 movie, Cranky Kong is never referred to as "Donkey Kong" and never even went to New York to kidnap Pauline and fight Mario: he meets Mario for the first time when he, Peach and Toad visit his Jungle Kingdom - meaning that the Donkey Kong there, despite being Cranky's son in the movie, isn't Donkey Kong Jr., either, in case that's a proposal you planned to do as well)
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} i feel like placing my vote here might be a bit overkill, but per most, particularly Nintendo101 and Salmancer
#{{User|Mushroom Head}} Per all.

===Comments===
In other words, you want to...make the pre-DKC appearances more explictly the character known as Cranky Kong. Question is, is this really the best moment for that proposal when the "current" DK is seemingly going back to a more GB-based design (or what looks like a merger of it and the modern one)? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:30, January 30, 2025 (EST)

Yes to your first question. To your second, appearance really doesn't matter. [[Cranky Kong]] is the original DK and [[Donkey Kong]] is not. (unless Nintendo retcons this) Regardless, only one of the two can be considered "the original" and thus one of the two articles should feature the pre-DKC appearances and the other shouldn't. If the previously mentioned retcon happens, then the opposite of what this proposal is going for should happen. (though I doubt that'll happen)--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 20:38, January 30, 2025 (EST)
:Which one appears in the (few) post-DKC appearances together with DK Jr.? Which Kong is Baby DK? There's no satisfactory, non-speculative answer. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:45, January 30, 2025 (EST)

Should I add an option where we consider DK to always be DK and Cranky to not? Because it doesn't make sense to me to have two characters who are clearly different to be the same character.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 20:48, January 30, 2025 (EST)
:Accept that you're going to have disagreements. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 20:54, January 30, 2025 (EST)

How do you propose [[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)]], the [[Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series)]] that succeeded it, and [[Super Mario Odyssey]] be covered under this? --[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 20:58, January 30, 2025 (EST)

Cranky is DK in [[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)]], not in the [[Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series)]], and yes is DK in Odyssey since its the arcade DK. You all should consider that the Hero's Shade is a different character from the Hero of Twilight. If both characters had articles, it wouldn't make sense to say they're both the Hero of Time. The Hero's Shade (NPC Link) is the Hero of Time and the playable Link is the Hero of Twilight. They're both Link, but they are separate versions of Link. This situation is the same way, Donkey Kong and Cranky are both Donkey Kong but DK is the DKC DK and Cranky is the DK DK. They're separate versions of DK like how the two Links are separate versions of Link. Also, with Camwoodstock's point, when has Nintendo ever after Cranky's introduction into the series claimed he is '''NOT''' the original DK? --{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 21:04, January 30, 2025 (EST)
:But if you mean to say appearance matters more in the context of the arcade sprite than the character design, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t5DetuBMOY&t=40s then...]  (Also, a few lines in the Wii DKCR manual implied that Retro's Cranky might be Rare's DK, but I think that idea's been nixed.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:24, January 30, 2025 (EST)

I would support an option to split the pre-DKC / non-DKC info into a separate article ("Papa Donkey Kong" or "Donkey Kong (arcade)" or something) rather than to relocate it to Cranky's. For the same reason the babies and Dr. Mario have their own pages, they're variations of characters that have enough individual info to warrant an individual page. The arcade DK is different from Cranky for obvious reasons, but also from the Modern DK, due to the different design, different characterization, and different context in time which he was relevant. The concept of Cranky being the arcade DK and Modern DK being a different person have been referenced as recently as DKCRHD, and trailers for DKCTF. I mean, Cranky's post-Rare design takes heavy cues from GB DK, so it's always there. On a separate note, I think it's silly to use MT64 as an example to argue that Rare's canon is irrelevant when it's the same game that features both Mario and Baby Mario. [[User:DesaMatt|DesaMatt]] ([[User talk:DesaMatt|talk]]) 21:00, January 30, 2025 (EST)

I guess we could consider Pre-DKC DK to be separate from both which is weird but makes more sense than what we currently are doing with this nonsense. --{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 21:14, January 30, 2025 (EST)
:Not sure if I support it, but this ''might'' be a more agreeable idea. (Though for clarification, I at least was referring to the [[Game & Watch Gallery (series)|''Game & Watch Gallery'' series]] and [[Mario Clash#Cameos|that one Virtual Boy cameo]] - they've gotta link to one of these articles.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:19, January 30, 2025 (EST)

<s>Shameless plugs but it'd help a lot if more people could vote on my [[Gallery talk:Super Mario (Kodansha manga)#Split Waluigi (Super Mario Land 2: 6-tsu no Kinka 2)|Waluigi proposal]] and my [[Talk:Dr. Luigi (character)#Split Dr. Luigi (character) from History of Luigi|Dr. Luigi proposal]].</s>--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 21:29, January 30, 2025 (EST)
:{{@|Pizza Master}} I understand you mean well, but please do not ask other users to vote on proposals. It is considered [[MarioWiki:Courtesy|discourteous behavior]] in our policies. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:10, January 31, 2025 (EST)
::Per N101. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 15:26, January 31, 2025 (EST)

My mistake. --{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 01:16, February 1, 2025 (EST)

== To the Donkey Kong III article ==

Well, technically he is Donkey Kong III because his father is Donkey Kong Jr while Kranky was the Original Donkey Kong. Right? [[Special:Contributions/172.58.49.151|172.58.49.151]] 03:20, February 14, 2025 (EST)

==Donkey Kong as a "form"?==
I'm going to lightly object to considering Donkey Kong as form, and having that [[:category:forms|category]], due to [[The Big Switch-a-Roo]]. Not because of the line of thinking, but because of the knock-on effects of the line of thinking. [[Brain Drain]] exists, and following the logic that is making DK a form to its natural conclusion, many of the characters featured in that book are also forms. Mario, Peach, Yoshi, Toad, Wooster, Koopa Troopa, Wiggler, Piranha Plans, and Rex should all qualify, because their bodies are inhabited by another character's mind at least once. I'm not against [[Robot]] being a form, that has the backing of having been granted the name "Robot-Donkey Kong", which prevents the spillover into Brain Drain. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 16:12, March 28, 2025 (EDT)

Good point, can't see why we wouldn't do it. Gonna add it to the categories right now! {{User:Yoshi18/sig}} 08:07, April 7, 2025 (EDT)

== Split "History of Donkey Kong" from "Donkey Kong" ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|11-0|Split}}

Donkey Kong is currently an individual character who has reached the 150,000 byte threshold to warrant splitting his... very long History section into its own page, akin to what was done with [[History of Mario|Mario]], [[History of Princess Peach|Princess Peach]], [[History of Bowser|Bowser]], etc.

Given that this phenomena has happened before, I won't expect much pushback, but if you have a genuine reason to not support this action, deliberate freely and we will come to a vote for the proposal.

'''Proposer''': {{User|ThunderBrine}}<br>
'''Proposal Date''': Saturday, April 12, 2025, 23:47 GMT<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>Sunday, April 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT</s> Closed early on Sunday, April 20, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Split (Support)===
# {{User|ThunderBrine}}|Reason: Per proposal.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Sorbetti}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} It's only going to get longer and longer.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This is ''way'' overdue; and if it wasn't, the upcoming ''[[Mario Kart World]]'' and ''[[Donkey Kong Bananza]]'' are probably going to push it over the edge anyways. Per proposal, and we promise it's not any chimp-related bias on our end!
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} call it a banana split
#{{User|Sdman213}} [[File:DonkeyYakumanDS.gif|25px]][[File:DonkeyYakumanDS.gif|25px]][[File:DonkeyYakumanDS.gif|25px]]
#{{User|SeanWheeler}} Donkey Kong starring in his own franchise should make his page long enough.
#{{User|ILoveBFDI1215}} I agree. The page is way too long and is getting to the point where it is being way too long. [[User:ILoveBFDI1215|ILoveBFDI1215]] ([[User talk:ILoveBFDI1215|talk]]) 03:06, April 18, 2025 (EDT)
#{{User|Nelsonic|Nelsonic Kong}} Per proposal.

===Keep Merged (Oppose)===

===Comments===
Why is this a proposal? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:00, April 15, 2025 (EDT)
: It is but a simple formality, given that the subject matter will be going through a drastic change. Also, the proposal merely existing serves as documented proof that the community collectively has no issue with it happening should it go through. {{User:ThunderBrine/sig}} 23:49, April 15, 2025 (EDT)

Would it be silly to use this chance to attempt to split the history between pre-DKC and post-DKC? This wouldn't be a full split like what has been proposed before, but a compromise. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:40, April 18, 2025 (EDT)