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| == Move the Island Guardians to shortened names == | | == Move the Island Guardians to shortened names == |
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| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{TPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|0-0-6-0-2|only move bosses to shortened names}}
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| We used to write characters like [[Taj]] and [[Rambi]] with their longer "X the Y" styled names, like "Taj the Genie" and "Rambi the Rhinoceros." We don't anymore, and the Island Guardian pages (as in, the first four bosses - Tricky, Bluey, Bubbler, and Smokey) continue to do so purely as a relic of this era. While this seems to be a no-brainer, it's complicated by the "full" names being officially used for the race courses they are faced on, which we currently list as "[[Tricky's Course]]" and the like - all conjecturally (meanwhile I don't know if the "full" names are ever specifically attributed to the characters rather than the courses, but if you know they are, let me know). So we need to figure out what do do regarding those. In Bubbler's case, since there's also an [[Bubbler (object)|object]] of that name, he will be moved to "Bubbler (character)." | | We used to write characters like [[Taj]] and [[Rambi]] with their longer "X the Y" styled names, like "Taj the Genie" and "Rambi the Rhinoceros." We don't anymore, and the Island Guardian pages (as in, the first four bosses - Tricky, Bluey, Bubbler, and Smokey) continue to do so purely as a relic of this era. While this seems to be a no-brainer, it's complicated by the "full" names being officially used for the race courses they are faced on, which we currently list as "[[Tricky's Course]]" and the like - all conjecturally (meanwhile I don't know if the "full" names are ever specifically attributed to the characters rather than the courses, but if you know they are, let me know). So we need to figure out what do do regarding those. In Bubbler's case, since there's also an [[Bubbler (object)|object]] of that name, he will be moved to "Bubbler (character)." |
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| ===Move bosses to shortened names, move courses to old names=== | | ===Move bosses to shortened names, move courses to old names=== |
| <s>#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Preferred option</s><br>
| | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Preferred option |
| <s>#{{User|Hewer}} Per pro</s><br>
| | #{{User|Hewer}} Per pro |
| <s>#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Closest to known official use.</s>
| | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Closest to known official use. |
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| ===Move bosses to shortened names, move courses to old names with "(course)" identifier=== | | ===Move bosses to shortened names, move courses to old names with "(course)" identifier=== |
| <s>#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Second option</s><br>
| | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Second option |
| <s>#{{User|Hewer}} posal.</s><br>
| | #{{User|Hewer}} posal. |
| <s>#{{User|Arend}} Makes sense to me given the old names are still the bosses' full names.</s><br>
| | #{{User|Arend}} Makes sense to me given the old names are still the bosses' full names. |
| <s>#{{User|Jdtendo}} I think most people would think of "Tricky the Triceratops" as the triceratops named Tricky (and so on), so I think we should use the "(course)" identifier to clear up confusion.</s>
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| ===Move bosses to shortened names, leave course names out of this=== | | ===Move bosses to shortened names, do not move courses=== |
| #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per what Tails777 has brought up, this will allow the courses to be moved to the "challenge" names without a separate proposal or anything.
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| #{{User|Arend}} The [https://archive.org/details/diddy-kong-racing-nintendo-players-guide/mode/2up Nintendo Player's Guide] that Tails777 brought up shows official names for these courses being '''Tricky Challenge''', '''Bluey Challenge''', '''Bubbler Challenge''', and '''Smokey Challenge''', meaning they don't have to be moved to the characters' full names (incidentally, it also shows an alternative name for [[Wizpig Strikes Back]] in '''Wizpig Challenge''', but also calls it by its other name on Page 124).
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| #{{User|Tails777}} Secondary option. Per... me I guess? I fully support moving the course names now that we have an official name for them. The "Long name vs. short name" deal is another can of worms that can be addressed elsewhere. For now, course names can be more of a focus.
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| #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Thanks, Tails.
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| #{{User|Jdtendo}} I support moving the course names to "[Character] Challenge". As for the characters' names, even though the longer names are sometimes used in the Player's Guide to refer to the characters, the short names are used much more frequently and appear in more sources.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} Per
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| ===Do not move bosses, move courses to boss names with "(course)" identifier=== | | ===Do not move bosses, move courses to boss names with "(course)" identifier=== |
| <s>#{{User|Arend}} Second choice</s>
| | #{{User|Arend}} Second choice |
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| ===Leave them both be=== | | ===Leave them both be=== |
| #{{User|Tails777}} Okay, I'll weigh in on this. Concerning the "Long name vs. short name" deal, I feel this is a situation that should be tackled as one big group rather than individual cases. We have the DK Animal Friends using their short names, crossover characters using their short names (something that is [[Talk:Shadow#Rename to "Shadow"|also being debated]]), with both cases being because the shorter names are more common, yet we have the Koopalings using their full names for articles, despite their shorter names being more commonly used (as well as the [[Talk:Princess Daisy#Move to "Daisy"|Daisy proposal]] failing, despite being in a very similar situation). Overall, I feel my stance is just rather than looking at each individual case, it may be better to tackle this all as one big thing. That's just me though and if I'm to weigh in here, I feel using their full names for now is fine. The courses do HAVE official names (being "Tricky's Challenge", "Smokey's Challenge" etc) and I'd rather use those names.
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| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Tails.
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| ===Comments=== | | ===Comments=== |
| {{multiframe|[[File:NintendoPowerDKR-TrickyChallenge.jpg|100px]][[File:NintendoPowerDKR-Tricky.jpg|100px]]}}
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| I'm not sure how much help this offers, but I have the official Nintendo Power guide for ''Diddy Kong Racing''. The pages containing the maps for the world lobbies refer to the boss tracks as "Character's name"'s Challenge (Tricky's Challenge, Bluey's Challenge, etc) while the pages concerning the courses themselves do not give a name and instead just refer to the bosses themselves, in their shortened forms. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | | I'm not sure how much help this offers, but I have the official Nintendo Power guide for ''Diddy Kong Racing''. The pages containing the maps for the world lobbies refer to the boss tracks as "Character's name"'s Challenge (Tricky's Challenge, Bluey's Challenge, etc) while the pages concerning the courses themselves do not give a name and instead just refer to the bosses themselves, in their shortened forms. {{User:Tails777/sig}} |
| :Good catch. I think unique names are much better for the courses than having to use identifiers, but it's probably too late in the proposal. I still support the shorter boss names. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:07, July 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::I added the pages for Tricky as an example of how the guide uses the names. If I had any guess, the pages with the maps may be referring to the bosses themselves, but the lobby maps could be referring to the tracks instead. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
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| :::According to [[:File:NintendoPowerDKR-Tricky.jpg|the Tricky page]], "Tricky the Triceratops is the master of Dino Domain". This is an official instance of a "full" name being specifically attributed to a character rather than a course. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 11:31, July 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::Yes, I see that. Thanks, Tails. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:11, July 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::All this being said, why exactly are the course names using conjectural names over the ones with sources? Names like Tricky's Challenge are officially sourced, why exactly aren't we using those? {{User:Tails777/sig}}
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| ::::::Because the "challenge" names were only -just- discovered? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:29, July 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::Right, yeah, hilariously enough, I didn't realize that these names were added to the article as I made the discovery and, when I checked today and saw them, I actually thought they had always been there. My bad. {{User:Tails777/sig}}.
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| @Tails777: In my opinion, each case is different and should be handled separately, and a giant sweeping proposal handling a huge number of largely unrelated articles such as what you're suggesting isn't a great idea. Neither longer nor shorter names are inherently better, but we should use what's more common in official sources, and that can vary from case to case - [[Rambi the Rhino|sometimes]] it's the shorter name, [[The Old Psychic Lady with the Evil Eye Who Reads Fortunes and Knows Everything Before It Happens|other times]] it's the longer one. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:05, July 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Fair, I can understand that. This in particular case is a one time thing, as all these bosses have just this one appearance to go off of. Whether to use the short names or long names isn't exactly clear cause both get used about the same. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
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| ::I disagree that they get used about the same in this case seeing as I believe we have only one source for the long names being used to refer to the characters themselves instead of the courses, and it's telling that it was only just discovered. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 06:42, July 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| == Table revamp removed Wizpig's First Strike ==
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| I think the revamp for the tables removed [[Wizpig's First Strike]] by accident. It's a course right? Just one accessed from the hubworld, so it doesn't go under a world which is why the entry accidentally got deleted. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 14:38, November 29, 2024 (EST)
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| :I've just added it back in. Other users may want to change its position within the list, but as long as it's in there, I believe my work is done. [[User:Stone Pokey|Stone Pokey]] ([[User talk:Stone Pokey|talk]] 00:19, December 1, 2024 (GMT)
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