Editing Talk:Dash Panel

==Official?==
Okay, where does the name "Boost Pad" come from? The only official name I could find for those things is "Zipper" which was used in the ''Super Mario Kart'' manual. Is there any proof for the name "Boost Pad"? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 12:05, 13 March 2010 (EST)
:I tried looking in my Japanese ''Mario Kart Wii'' official guidebook, and the name I found there was "Dash Board". I've yet to find any official sources that say "Boost Pad", however. --{{User|Marcelagus}}

::This subject has many different names. I believe that the article was given this particular generic title because it describes it the best.

::{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 07:40, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

==short sections==
This article's section have only like one sentence. They would probably work better without the sections. {{User|KS3}}
:Well, there is a expand and rewrite template there, so why don't we just expand and rewrite it. Every header does not need to be deleted. How would we know where each it was placed in each game? A paragraph is okay, but it is better with the headers in my opinion. After more information is added in each one, there will be absolutely no reason to have them deleted. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}}
I think it would be much better to find images and create a gallery of images of Boost Pads from each game, rather than have a make-shift "History" section that have one sentence stub sections describing what colors they were. --{{User:Marcelagus/sig}}

Alright, i'm gonna revive this year-old discussion.

There isn't really much to expand on seeing as they all basically act the same way, so why not merge the sections? (As i did before, until reverted). {{User:Master Crash/sig}}

== Fixed! ==
I make great changes to this page, especially on the ''Mario Kart'' section. I'll add the gallery as soon I be an autoconfirmed member... I can't wait! :D {{User|Tsunami}} <br>
Done, I add the gallery. Can we remove the templates at the top of the page? {{User|Tsunami}}

== Boost Pad ==
If nobody has a source for "Boost Pad" that overrules all of the other citations I've placed, I'll move the article soon. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:11, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
:Wow, that's a lot of needed citations. I'll check in some of my guides, see what I can find. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:13, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
::Most of the guides I have (MKDD Player's Guide, MKDS Prima, MKW Prima, MK7 Prima, MK8 Prima) use "Dash Panel" or "dash panel". The one exception is MKSC Player's Guide, which uses "Speed Strip". {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:16, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

well... why not move to dash panel? TYC
:Let's first make sure "Boost Pad" isn't a better, more official name per [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_sources_for_naming|MarioWiki:Naming]]. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:44, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

Okay, I was able to clear up most of the missing citations, but I was unable to find anything saying "Boost Pad". However, I don't have access to ''MKDD!!''{{'}}s instruction manual or anything relating to ''Super Circuit'' or ''MKDS''. "Dash Panel" seems to be the most legit name here at the moment. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:03, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' calls them Dash Panels. So, that eliminates that game. (Not that it entire manners, but still mentioning it.) {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 17:16, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

Between Alex and I, I think we've reasonably gone through every official source. Dash Panel is definitely the most common name, so I'll move the page shortly. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:21, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

==Split Glide Ramp from this article==
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|10-0}}
So, following my recent proposal regarding the creation of Truck articles, various users have suggested that we create Glide Ramp article. For a start, these two objects are barely similar. Dash Panels can appear on ramps or flat ground and provide a short speed boost, similar to using a [[Mushroom]], while the Glide Ramp only ever appears as a ramp (Or in the form of a bouncy Mushroom) to launch the player in the air and deploy the [[Glider]], and (As far as I know), does not give a speed boost unless the player performs a [[Trick]] off of the ramp.

The new article would include specific details about only the Glide Ramp, such as the design and changes between games, courses in which it appears and where, Glide Ramps that change positions (The ones in [[Music Park]] and the Dash Panel Ramp Truck), different forms of them (The blue Mushroom in [[Mushroom Gorge]], the Dash Panel Ramp Truck again), and any other necessary information about the ramp.

Seeing as we also now have an official name from the ''Mario Kart 8'' PRIMA guide, it makes more sense to split it as the guide refers to it as a completely different object, as opposed to another form of the Dash Panel.

'''Proposer''': {{User|BBQ Turtle}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 12, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per proposal.
#{{User|YoshiStar28}} Good idea.
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal.  Let's also split {{fake link|Antigravity Panel}} from this while we're at it.
#{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal; these things aren't the same in the slightest.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per all.
#{{User|Mister Wu}} According to the PRIMA Mario Kart 8 eGuide, those are known as ''Glide Ramps'' and are indeed distinguished from both ''Dash Panels'' and ''Ramps''
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Astro-Lanceur}}Yeah. per all.
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Are there pictures to go by? I am having a hard time visualizing the proposed difference. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 13:39, 28 November 2017 (EST)
:[[:File:MK7Booster.png|This picture]] has a Dash Panel and a Glider Panel in the same shot. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:46, 28 November 2017 (EST)
::@YoshiFlutterJump: I was planning on doing the Anti-Gravity Panel separately afterwards, as I wanted to see how this one went first. I also wanted to check that the article I would make as a result of this wasn't completely barking up the wrong tree and if we could get any sort of official name. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 13:58, 28 November 2017 (EST)
:::Hmm...okay. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 15:10, 28 November 2017 (EST)
What about [[Ramp]]s? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 14:04, 28 November 2017 (EST)
:Alright, I didn't know about the stuff that was covered on the ramp page. Either way, it is rather sparse, and has a link in the second paragraph which says "glider ramps", but actually links to [[Glider]]. The page being made solely covers the panels, and would be mentioned similarly to how Boosted Ramps are described as ramps with Dash Panels, as Glider Ramps being described as ramps with Glider Panels, with Glider Ramp probably being redirected to here, and Ramps mentioned throughout the article. At the moment, the Glider Panel coverage seems to be split between here, Ramp and Glider, so the main reason I think it needs creating is to fill in the gaps between the three (Mainly about that Mushroom and Truck). [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 15:53, 28 November 2017 (EST)
@Mister Wu: Thank you for finding out the official name, I'll name the article Glider Ramp then, seeing as it's official. Would you be able to put the reference in the article when it's made, and also, do you know if there is any sort of official name in there for the Anti-Gravity Panel, when I come round to making that proposal? [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 12:01, 29 November 2017 (EST)
:I do have an ebook copy of the guide, so it should be possible to easily cite the source by indicating the number of the page (it's from the ''How To Drive - Trackside Assistance'' section). Regarding the Anti-Gravity Panels, their official name is simply ''Antigravity Panels''.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:15, 29 November 2017 (EST)

==Split Antigravity Panel and/or "Trick Ramp" from this article==
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Following on from my last proposal, I think there are two more types of panel that I currently know of that I think need splitting: The Antigravity Panel (The name is official from the digital ''[[Mario Kart 8]]'' PRIMA guide) from ''Mario Kart 8'' and ''[[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]]'', and the "Trick Ramp" (I don't know if there is an official name for it, that's what I'm calling it for now and would conjecturally name the article should an official name not be found beforehand) from ''[[Mario Kart Wii]]''. Neither of these panels perform the same function as Dash Panels, and do not have the same appearance either. 

The Antigravity Panels are blue with circles on them and allow the Kart to go into Antigravity mode. They do not provide any form of speed boost and, unlike Dash Panels, do not need to be directly interacted with for their effect (i.e., the Kart will still go into Antigravity mode if glided, jumped, hit, etc. over it, whereas the Dash Panel would not provide a speed boost if this is done). They also are one way only, and reverse the effect of driven over in the other direction, whereas Dash Panels boost the same amount no matter which direction they are driven over. They do not appear on jumps or anything other than flat track, and the time length of their effect varies depending on course, whereas Dash Panels only vary between some games. Characters also only react vocally occasionally to driving over these, however they will always do so if driving over a Dash Panel.

[[File:GCNWaluigiStadium1-MKWii.png|thumb|right|100px]]
The "Trick Ramps" in ''Mario Kart Wii'' are the ones that appear on the edges of curved walls (Such as the half-pipe at the end of [[DK's Snowboard Cross]]), and allow you to jump up and perform a trick. They don't provide much of a speed boost, only enough to allow you to perform the jump, unless you perform a trick off of them, and are blue and purple (The colour changes between them) and have arrows on them, much like a [[Glide Ramp]], and also stripes (Look at the picture on the right if you're not familiar with them). You usually can't perform tricks of off areas like this without them, you usually hit an out-of-bounds and get bounced back onto the course, so they do add to gameplay, and appear in a fair few of the courses (At the moment, I can at least think of [[Bowser's Castle (Wii)]], [[Dry Dry Ruins]], [[Waluigi Stadium (GCN)|Waluigi Stadium]], [[Maple Treeway]], DK's Snowboard Cross, [[Rainbow Road (Wii)|Rainbow Road]], [[Funky Stadium]] and [[Koopa Cape]]), including a battle map.

I can think of five ways to go about this coverage:
*Option 1: Split both articles. Split both articles off of the article to Antigravity Panel and Trick Ramp.
*Option 2: Only split Antigravity Panel. Only split Antigravity Panel off of this article, and leave the information about the Trick Ramp here, potentially expanding it.
*Option 3: Only split Trick Ramp. Only split Trick Ramp off of this article, and leave the information about the Antigravity Panel here, potentially expanding it.
*Option 4: Do not split, but expand the information here. Leave both of them on this page, but expand their information to explain more about them.
*Option 5: Do nothing. Leave both here and the information as is.

'''Proposer''': {{User|BBQ Turtle}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 27, 2018, 23:59 GMT

===Option 1===
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} My preferred option, per proposal.
#{{User|Alex95}} - I'd rather an official name be found for the Trick Ramp first, but the two do act differently than a Dash Panel, so per proposal.
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal.  Plus, we split [[Glide Ramp]].
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} If Glide Ramp can be split, I think it makes sense for these two to be split. Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Mister Wu}} Now that {{User|BBQ Turtle}} found official names for boost ramps, I think this is the best option, as all three objects definitely behave differently.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.

===Option 2===

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===Option 5===

===Comments===
How about the cannonesque yellow and red-colored ramp from [[DK's Jungle Parkway]]? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:55, 13 January 2018 (EST)
:That'd count as a Dash Panel, wouldn't it? The same panels appear on the ramp of [[Royal Raceway]]. It's a Dash Panel, you just can't move once you're in the air. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:58, 13 January 2018 (EST)
::It acts exactly the same as cannons do in later games, though....as well as giant [[Launch Star]] things. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:59, 13 January 2018 (EST)
:::I think it's just the early version of a Dash Panel really, although the properties are slightly different, I think (but I may be wrong on this), it was the first time they were used on ramps to make larger jumps, so their final properties needed a little refining first. If you think they need splitting, you can make a proposal, but personally, I think they're kind of the same thing, just an early version of it. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 17:07, 13 January 2018 (EST)

I did some testing to be sure, but, I noticed a short speed boost after not doing a trick on these "Trick Ramps". It is shorter than with a trick. However, one can't get a speed boost if just touching it. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:07, 15 January 2018 (EST)
:OK, I wasn't 100% sure on that part, but I did know you couldn't touch one to get one. However, if there is one, it's definitely smaller than that provided by the Dash Panel and I think it's only there to give the propulsion required to get in the air. I've edited the proposal slightly to reflect that (It's still in the six day window), and I'll definitely make sure it's included in the final article. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 03:27, 16 January 2018 (EST)

I think I may have found an official name for the "Trick Ramp" from the ''Mario Kart Wii'' website descriptions:
*Waluigi Stadium: ''"The plentiful bumps and hills - plus new '''half-pipe boost pads''' - make this the best track for tricks."''
*DK's Snowboard Cross (American description): ''"A challenging downhill course with a long series of '''halfpipe-style boost ramps''' for tricking over heavy snow banks."
*DK's Snowboard Cross (European description): ''"The giant cannon that fires you to the mountaintop is just the first part of an incredible trip on this snow-covered track. Avoid the deepest drifts and look out for snowboarders as you '''pull off stunts on the half-pipe'''!"
So... do you reckon we go for "Half-pipe Boost Pads" or "Halfpipe-style Boost Ramps"? I'll mention it's known as both in the article, and obviously we've now got the sources, but which one should we use? Personally, I'm leaning towards Halfpipe-style Boost Ramps, as it does mention the ramp element and they aren't always used on half pipes. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 06:15, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:Actually, they are not boost pads at all, I tested with {{media link|Yoshi Artwork - Mario Kart Wii.png|this awesome combination}} and I can tell you this:
:*compared to the non-ramp sections of [[Wario's Gold Mine]] (you get both ramp and non-ramp sections at the beginning, on the left), when you go on the boost ramps you go higher and you're able to perform tricks
:*the visible boost (the one with the flames from the exhaust pipes) is only obtained when you land, even if you actually land outside of the boost ramps, actually, in [[Waluigi Stadium (GCN)|GCN Waluigi Stadium]] you can even land on the parapets and you still get the full boost
:**said boost at landing lasts longer when you perform the trick, but it's still present even if you don't perform it
:*the trick performed is considered an high speed trick, i.e. the one performed after ramps with boost pads, that includes the vehicle rotating before the trick and the two special animations exclusive to this kind of tricks (the up and down animations)
:*finally, as a comparison, the ramps with boost pads give you an high speed trick as well, but they immediately give you the speed boost while going on them and if no trick is performed, there is no speed boost when landing
:I think ''halfpipe-style boost ramps'' is more appropriate as you only get the boost after landing, even if you don't actually land on the ramps. Eventually we'll get the PRIMA guide and hopefully we'll find the proper term.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 08:58, 16 January 2018 (EST)
::Yeah, speed boost doesn't happen until after the landing no matter what. And ''Halfpipe-Style Boost Ramps'' are better sense these are ramps and per Mister Wu. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 09:45, 16 January 2018 (EST)