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| If nobody has a source for "Boost Pad" that overrules all of the other citations I've placed, I'll move the article soon. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:11, 3 September 2017 (EDT) | | If nobody has a source for "Boost Pad" that overrules all of the other citations I've placed, I'll move the article soon. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:11, 3 September 2017 (EDT) |
| :Wow, that's a lot of needed citations. I'll check in some of my guides, see what I can find. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:13, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Most of the guides I have (MKDD Player's Guide, MKDS Prima, MKW Prima, MK7 Prima, MK8 Prima) use "Dash Panel" or "dash panel". The one exception is MKSC Player's Guide, which uses "Speed Strip". {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:16, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
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| well... why not move to dash panel? TYC
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| :Let's first make sure "Boost Pad" isn't a better, more official name per [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_sources_for_naming|MarioWiki:Naming]]. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 16:44, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
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| Okay, I was able to clear up most of the missing citations, but I was unable to find anything saying "Boost Pad". However, I don't have access to ''MKDD!!''{{'}}s instruction manual or anything relating to ''Super Circuit'' or ''MKDS''. "Dash Panel" seems to be the most legit name here at the moment. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:03, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
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| ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' calls them Dash Panels. So, that eliminates that game. (Not that it entire manners, but still mentioning it.) {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 17:16, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
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| Between Alex and I, I think we've reasonably gone through every official source. Dash Panel is definitely the most common name, so I'll move the page shortly. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:21, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
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| ==Split Glide Ramp from this article==
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| So, following my recent proposal regarding the creation of Truck articles, various users have suggested that we create Glide Ramp article. For a start, these two objects are barely similar. Dash Panels can appear on ramps or flat ground and provide a short speed boost, similar to using a [[Mushroom]], while the Glide Ramp only ever appears as a ramp (Or in the form of a bouncy Mushroom) to launch the player in the air and deploy the [[Glider]], and (As far as I know), does not give a speed boost unless the player performs a [[Trick]] off of the ramp.
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| The new article would include specific details about only the Glide Ramp, such as the design and changes between games, courses in which it appears and where, Glide Ramps that change positions (The ones in [[Music Park]] and the Dash Panel Ramp Truck), different forms of them (The blue Mushroom in [[Mushroom Gorge]], the Dash Panel Ramp Truck again), and any other necessary information about the ramp.
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| Seeing as we also now have an official name from the ''Mario Kart 8'' PRIMA guide, it makes more sense to split it as the guide refers to it as a completely different object, as opposed to another form of the Dash Panel.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|BBQ Turtle}}<br>
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| #{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|YoshiStar28}} Good idea.
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| #{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal. Let's also split {{fake link|Antigravity Panel}} from this while we're at it.
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| #{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal; these things aren't the same in the slightest.
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| #{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Mister Wu}} According to the PRIMA Mario Kart 8 eGuide, those are known as ''Glide Ramps'' and are indeed distinguished from both ''Dash Panels'' and ''Ramps''
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Astro-Lanceur}}Yeah. per all.
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| #{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all.
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| Are there pictures to go by? I am having a hard time visualizing the proposed difference. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 13:39, 28 November 2017 (EST)
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| :[[:File:MK7Booster.png|This picture]] has a Dash Panel and a Glider Panel in the same shot. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:46, 28 November 2017 (EST)
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| ::@YoshiFlutterJump: I was planning on doing the Anti-Gravity Panel separately afterwards, as I wanted to see how this one went first. I also wanted to check that the article I would make as a result of this wasn't completely barking up the wrong tree and if we could get any sort of official name. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 13:58, 28 November 2017 (EST)
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| :::Hmm...okay. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 15:10, 28 November 2017 (EST)
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| What about [[Ramp]]s? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 14:04, 28 November 2017 (EST)
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| :Alright, I didn't know about the stuff that was covered on the ramp page. Either way, it is rather sparse, and has a link in the second paragraph which says "glider ramps", but actually links to [[Glider]]. The page being made solely covers the panels, and would be mentioned similarly to how Boosted Ramps are described as ramps with Dash Panels, as Glider Ramps being described as ramps with Glider Panels, with Glider Ramp probably being redirected to here, and Ramps mentioned throughout the article. At the moment, the Glider Panel coverage seems to be split between here, Ramp and Glider, so the main reason I think it needs creating is to fill in the gaps between the three (Mainly about that Mushroom and Truck). [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 15:53, 28 November 2017 (EST)
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| @Mister Wu: Thank you for finding out the official name, I'll name the article Glider Ramp then, seeing as it's official. Would you be able to put the reference in the article when it's made, and also, do you know if there is any sort of official name in there for the Anti-Gravity Panel, when I come round to making that proposal? [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 12:01, 29 November 2017 (EST)
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| :I do have an ebook copy of the guide, so it should be possible to easily cite the source by indicating the number of the page (it's from the ''How To Drive - Trackside Assistance'' section). Regarding the Anti-Gravity Panels, their official name is simply ''Antigravity Panels''.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:15, 29 November 2017 (EST)
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| ==Split Antigravity Panel and/or Halfpipe-style Boost Ramps from this article==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|8-0-0-0-0|split articles}}
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| Following on from my last proposal, I think there are two more types of panel that I currently know of that I think need splitting: The Antigravity Panel (The name is official from the digital ''[[Mario Kart 8]]'' PRIMA guide) from ''Mario Kart 8'' and ''[[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]]'', and the Halfpipe-style Boost Ramp (Also official, from the American description of DK's Snowboard Cross (See comments section)) from ''[[Mario Kart Wii]]''. Neither of these panels perform the same function as Dash Panels, and do not have the same appearance either.
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| The Antigravity Panels are blue with circles on them and allow the Kart to go into Antigravity mode. They do not provide any form of speed boost and, unlike Dash Panels, do not need to be directly interacted with for their effect (i.e., the Kart will still go into Antigravity mode if glided, jumped, hit, etc. over it, whereas the Dash Panel would not provide a speed boost if this is done). They also are one way only, and reverse the effect of driven over in the other direction, whereas Dash Panels boost the same amount no matter which direction they are driven over. They do not appear on jumps or anything other than flat track, and the time length of their effect varies depending on course, whereas Dash Panels only vary between some games. Characters also only react vocally occasionally to driving over these, however they will always do so if driving over a Dash Panel.
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| The Halfpipe-style Boost Ramps in ''Mario Kart Wii'' are the ones that appear on the edges of curved walls (Such as the half-pipe at the end of [[DK's Snowboard Cross]]), and allow you to jump up and perform a trick. They don't provide much of a speed boost in the air, only enough to allow you to perform the jump, unless you perform a trick off of them, which will increase the speed boost given when landing. They are blue and purple (The colour changes between them) and have arrows on them, much like a [[Glide Ramp]], and also stripes (Look at the picture on the right if you're not familiar with them). You usually can't perform tricks of off areas like this without them, you usually hit an out-of-bounds and get bounced back onto the course, so they do add to gameplay, and appear in a fair few of the courses (At the moment, I can at least think of [[Bowser's Castle (Wii)]], [[Dry Dry Ruins]], [[Waluigi Stadium (GCN)|Waluigi Stadium]], [[Maple Treeway]], DK's Snowboard Cross, [[Rainbow Road (Wii)|Rainbow Road]], [[Funky Stadium]] and [[Koopa Cape]]), including a battle map.
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| I can think of five ways to go about this coverage:
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| *Option 1: Split both articles. Split both articles off of the article to Antigravity Panel and Halfpipe-style Boost Ramp.
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| *Option 2: Only split Antigravity Panel. Only split Antigravity Panel off of this article, and leave the information about the Halfpipe-style Boost Ramp here, potentially expanding it.
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| *Option 3: Only split Halfpipe-style Boost Ramp. Only split Halfpipe-style Boost Ramp off of this article, and leave the information about the Antigravity Panel here, potentially expanding it.
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| *Option 4: Do not split, but expand the information here. Leave both of them on this page, but expand their information to explain more about them.
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| *Option 5: Do nothing. Leave both here and the information as is.
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| ===Option 1===
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| #{{User|BBQ Turtle}} My preferred option, per proposal.
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| #{{User|Alex95}} - I'd rather an official name be found for the Trick Ramp first, but the two do act differently than a Dash Panel, so per proposal.
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| #{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal. Plus, we split [[Glide Ramp]].
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| #{{User|LuigiMaster123}} If Glide Ramp can be split, I think it makes sense for these two to be split. Per all.
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Mister Wu}} Now that {{User|BBQ Turtle}} found official names for boost ramps, I think this is the best option, as all three objects definitely behave differently.
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| #{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all.
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| How about the cannonesque yellow and red-colored ramp from [[DK's Jungle Parkway]]? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:55, 13 January 2018 (EST)
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| :That'd count as a Dash Panel, wouldn't it? The same panels appear on the ramp of [[Royal Raceway]]. It's a Dash Panel, you just can't move once you're in the air. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:58, 13 January 2018 (EST)
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| ::It acts exactly the same as cannons do in later games, though....as well as giant [[Launch Star]] things. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:59, 13 January 2018 (EST)
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| :::I think it's just the early version of a Dash Panel really, although the properties are slightly different, I think (but I may be wrong on this), it was the first time they were used on ramps to make larger jumps, so their final properties needed a little refining first. If you think they need splitting, you can make a proposal, but personally, I think they're kind of the same thing, just an early version of it. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 17:07, 13 January 2018 (EST)
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| I did some testing to be sure, but, I noticed a short speed boost after not doing a trick on these "Trick Ramps". It is shorter than with a trick. However, one can't get a speed boost if just touching it. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:07, 15 January 2018 (EST)
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| :OK, I wasn't 100% sure on that part, but I did know you couldn't touch one to get one. However, if there is one, it's definitely smaller than that provided by the Dash Panel and I think it's only there to give the propulsion required to get in the air. I've edited the proposal slightly to reflect that (It's still in the six day window), and I'll definitely make sure it's included in the final article. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 03:27, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| I think I may have found an official name for the "Trick Ramp" from the ''Mario Kart Wii'' website descriptions:
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| *Waluigi Stadium: ''"The plentiful bumps and hills - plus new '''half-pipe boost pads''' - make this the best track for tricks."''
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| *DK's Snowboard Cross (American description): ''"A challenging downhill course with a long series of '''halfpipe-style boost ramps''' for tricking over heavy snow banks."
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| *DK's Snowboard Cross (European description): ''"The giant cannon that fires you to the mountaintop is just the first part of an incredible trip on this snow-covered track. Avoid the deepest drifts and look out for snowboarders as you '''pull off stunts on the half-pipe'''!"
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| So... do you reckon we go for "Half-pipe Boost Pads" or "Halfpipe-style Boost Ramps"? I'll mention it's known as both in the article, and obviously we've now got the sources, but which one should we use? Personally, I'm leaning towards Halfpipe-style Boost Ramps, as it does mention the ramp element and they aren't always used on half pipes. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 06:15, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| :Actually, they are not boost pads at all, I tested with {{file link|MKW Yoshi Mach Bike Artwork.png|this awesome combination}} and I can tell you this:
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| :*compared to the non-ramp sections of [[Wario's Gold Mine]] (you get both ramp and non-ramp sections at the beginning, on the left), when you go on the boost ramps you go higher and you're able to perform tricks
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| :*the visible boost (the one with the flames from the exhaust pipes) is only obtained when you land, even if you actually land outside of the boost ramps, actually, in [[Waluigi Stadium (GCN)|GCN Waluigi Stadium]] you can even land on the parapets and you still get the full boost
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| :**said boost at landing lasts longer when you perform the trick, but it's still present even if you don't perform it
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| :*the trick performed is considered an high speed trick, i.e. the one performed after ramps with boost pads, that includes the vehicle rotating before the trick and the two special animations exclusive to this kind of tricks (the up and down animations)
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| :*finally, as a comparison, the ramps with boost pads give you an high speed trick as well, but they immediately give you the speed boost while going on them and if no trick is performed, there is no speed boost when landing
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| :I think ''halfpipe-style boost ramps'' is more appropriate as you only get the boost after landing, even if you don't actually land on the ramps. Eventually we'll get the PRIMA guide and hopefully we'll find the proper term.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 08:58, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| ::Yeah, speed boost doesn't happen until after the landing no matter what. And ''Halfpipe-Style Boost Ramps'' are better sense these are ramps and per Mister Wu. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 09:45, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| :::Agreed on halfpipe-style boost ramp. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:03, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| ::::The "ramp" one sounds better to me. But both names are awfully long... -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 13:44, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| :::::The "Trick Ramp" one was just one I found in the caption for the image I got to illustrate it on the [[Waluigi Stadium (GCN)]] page, there was nothing official about it, it was just a placeholder name really. Although these two are long, they're both official, however if a shorter or more accurate official one was found, it could be renamed to that. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 14:13, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| Wait, what about regular Boost Ramps, the ones that ''aren't'' halfpipe-style? Shouldn't we just split Boost Ramp altogether rather than just Halfpipe-Style Boost Ramp? And no, I'm not talking about Glide Ramps. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 15:33, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| :Personally, I'd say no, as they're ramps with boost pads on. Both can come separately or together, and the definition would be quite hard to establish, as they can have varying numbers of boost panels. If you think they should be separate, you can make a proposal, but personally I'd say keep that stuff here. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 15:55, 16 January 2018 (EST)
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| ==Split Boost Ring from this article==
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| Following on from the previous two proposals, I've recently notice that Boost Rings are included on this article with a brief four-sentence section towards the end of the article. Firstly, the Boost Rings have different properties to Dash Panels, as the player has to pass through them but not necessarily touch them to gain the speed boost. The boost gained is also less compared to that of jumping off of a boosted ramp or driving over a Dash Panel during the cave gliding segment of [[Mount Wario]]. They have a unique sound when passed through, and have a very different appearance to Dash Panels.
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| I don't know if the name Boost Rings is official, they aren't named in-game, so I don't know if this name came from a guide book (I imagine it's probably in the PRIMA guide for one of the games) or something as no source is given in the article. It would be preferable for an official name to be found, however if one isn't I'd name the article "Boost Ring" and add a conjecture template. Even if the article is not split, I will still aim to expand the information currently included in the Dash Panel article.
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| '''Proposer:''' {{User|BBQ Turtle}}<br>
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| #{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per Proposal.
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| #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} I'd rather this succeed than get a no quorum. Per proposal.
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| #{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} I think this page should only include the regular Dash Panel and all derivatives should be split. And I don’t really want to see “NO QUORUM” tagged on this proposal. Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per Proposal.
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| #{{User|LUIGIRULES71}} Sure. Why Bloody not? Per all.
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| Curious, how would you go about the air- and water-based zippers from ''Diddy Kong Racing'' in regards to this? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:59, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :To be honest, I hadn't really considered it and I've never played either Diddy Kong Racing game so I don't know much about them. Looking at the information we have here, I would probably compare it to the Plane Zippers with a brief description of them and provide a link to a section with more information. More information could then be added by other people at a later date if they think it's necessary. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 19:10, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
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| ::I have played, and they seem to be the same thing. Just a bunch of boosty ''Superman 64'' rings. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:18, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :::OK, I'd probably add a little more information about the plane zippers in the article from the information we've got, but I wouldn't be sure what to add if anything about the hovercraft zippers, as I presume that they're not located in the air and on the water. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 19:55, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
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| My bad, only now did I look in the PRIMA guides. In the ''Mario Kart 7'' guide, the Rainbow Road ones are known as ''golden rings'', while in the ''Mario Kart 8'' guide, the Mount Wario ones are known as ''rings'' and the N64 Rainbow Road ones are known as ''star rings''. The names are all in lowercase. Sorry that I looked at them only now, I completely forgot that I could check them!--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:42, 14 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :OK, thank you very much for looking them up, so which one do you think we should go for, as none of them are consistent? I would say that they are all the same thing though, just with different appearances, I don't think they need separate articles or anything. Should we use one of the names from the guide, although I'm not sure whether they're just descriptions or names, or use something conjectural like Boost Ring? And also, if you don't mind me asking, is there any way you could check if the ones in Big Blue are named, in case that gives us something consistent or more name-sounding? [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 02:27, 15 April 2018 (EDT)
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| ::Probably "ring (booster)" would be best, though if we were to follow our naming policy to a T, "Zipper (air)" would be best, as it was from an enclosed manual, which overtakes PRIMA by at least a few levels. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:32, 15 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :::The thing is, I'm not sure whether Zippers should be included in this article or not, so I'd be unsure about using the name Zipper for the new article. From what I can tell, they seem to be consistently referred to as Zippers, as well as having a different appearance, appearing in different conditions and having a slightly altered function, so I wonder whether they should be split, but I don't know as I've never played Diddy Kong Racing. I don't really think that the source for the name Zipper from the Super Mario Kart instruction manual is enough reason to leave them here, I think they should probably be split into either one big Zipper article or one for each type. I imagine if people are looking for information on Zippers, they're not looking for Dash Panels or the rings, so I'm not sure whether the major inclusion of the Zippers in the article would be right and whether naming it Zipper would cause confusion. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 06:14, 15 April 2018 (EDT)
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| ::::Sorry, I only have the ''Mario Kart 8'' guide, not the ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' guide. From a naming point of view, ''Ring (Mario Kart series)'' might make sense, as it's the most recent name for the general ones appearing in Mount Wario (star rings appear only in N64 Rainbow Road), if we keep the Zippers separate. The internal name is ''AccelRing'' in all three cases (''AccelRing'' for Mount Wario, ''N64RAccelRing'' and ''N64RAccelRingAir'' for N64 Rainbow Road and ''DL_BbAccelRing'' for Big Blue) by the way.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:16, 15 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :::::OK, I guess we'll go with "Ring (Mario Kart series)" then. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 18:27, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
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