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==Merge Count Down and Ring-a-Ding as "watch (boss)"== | ==Merge Count Down and Ring-a-Ding as "watch (boss)"== | ||
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See above. These are two parts of the same "watch" boss/object, and so, like [[Talk:cake (boss)#Decide how to cut the cake|cake]] and [[Talk:Megasmilax#Axing a Smilax|Smilax]], they ought to occupy the same space. | See above. These are two parts of the same "watch" boss/object, and so, like [[Talk:cake (boss)#Decide how to cut the cake|cake]] and [[Talk:Megasmilax#Axing a Smilax|Smilax]], they ought to occupy the same space. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': July 18, 2023, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Time for a merge!=== | ===Time for a merge!=== | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Count me in. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Count me in. | ||
===Time for a merge! (as Count Down instead)=== | ===Time for a merge! (as Count Down instead)=== | ||
===Time to clock out!=== | ===Time to clock out!=== | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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::<s>The Shogakukan guide claims that the hands are called メビウス (時計の針), but ''in-game'', the same hands are referred to as simply メビウス; this would essentially mean that, if the Shogakukan guide were being translated in English, the guide would've referred to the hands as "Count Down (Watch's Hands)" instead of simply "Count Down".</s> (nvm, the guide also states the name of Ring-a-Ding to be リンリン (時計のベル) instead of リンリン or メビウス (時計のベル)). Furthermore, the remake displays the target of メビウス/Count Down to be the ''base'' of the clock (or the hourglass within), ''not'' the hands on the dial, as can be seen [https://youtu.be/3GS8UaIhMmI?si=CxwRk3DY_QLpr_tT here] and [https://youtu.be/bKamH-ORE08?si=yiXUtpptRQ0L-2Ek here], which further insinuates that the whole thing is called Count Down instead of only its face. {{User:Arend/sig}} 21:16, July 4, 2024 (EDT) | ::<s>The Shogakukan guide claims that the hands are called メビウス (時計の針), but ''in-game'', the same hands are referred to as simply メビウス; this would essentially mean that, if the Shogakukan guide were being translated in English, the guide would've referred to the hands as "Count Down (Watch's Hands)" instead of simply "Count Down".</s> (nvm, the guide also states the name of Ring-a-Ding to be リンリン (時計のベル) instead of リンリン or メビウス (時計のベル)). Furthermore, the remake displays the target of メビウス/Count Down to be the ''base'' of the clock (or the hourglass within), ''not'' the hands on the dial, as can be seen [https://youtu.be/3GS8UaIhMmI?si=CxwRk3DY_QLpr_tT here] and [https://youtu.be/bKamH-ORE08?si=yiXUtpptRQ0L-2Ek here], which further insinuates that the whole thing is called Count Down instead of only its face. {{User:Arend/sig}} 21:16, July 4, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::Eh, I'll add it as an option since it could be that ArtePiazza saw it differently, though I can confirm that the message "The watch is broken!" ({{ruby|時計|とけい}}が こわれた！！) still appears in the remake if Count Down is beaten before Ring-a-Ding. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:33, July 4, 2024 (EDT) | :::Eh, I'll add it as an option since it could be that ArtePiazza saw it differently, though I can confirm that the message "The watch is broken!" ({{ruby|時計|とけい}}が こわれた！！) still appears in the remake if Count Down is beaten before Ring-a-Ding. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:33, July 4, 2024 (EDT) | ||
<s>Is there any official English source which refers to this boss as a "watch"? If not, the only known official name is「時計」(''tokei'') and thus this boss should be named "Tokei" if we merge Count Down and Ring-a-Ding. We cannot call it "Watch" if this English word is not used officially. Moreover,「時計」can refer to any type of clock (in this case, an alarm clock), not just watches.</s> EDIT: I checked, the English version of the game does say "The watch is broken". However, that's when only Count Down is beaten, which may be interpreted as: only Count Down '''is''' the watch, and Ring-a-Dings (which are not broken yet) are not part of the watch itself (depending on how you interpret it). {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 03:54, July 5, 2024 (EDT) | <s>Is there any official English source which refers to this boss as a "watch"? If not, the only known official name is「時計」(''tokei'') and thus this boss should be named "Tokei" if we merge Count Down and Ring-a-Ding. We cannot call it "Watch" if this English word is not used officially. Moreover,「時計」can refer to any type of clock (in this case, an alarm clock), not just watches.</s> EDIT: I checked, the English version of the game does say "The watch is broken". However, that's when only Count Down is beaten, which may be interpreted as: only Count Down '''is''' the watch, and Ring-a-Dings (which are not broken yet) are not part of the watch itself (depending on how you interpret it). {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 03:54, July 5, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:The other closest mention I'm aware of would be the Nintendo Power Player's Guide, under '''Count Down''' on pg.102: "''Slam down Count Down, then ring the bells of the two Ding-A-Lings up top. You’ll want to clean the clock first to ward off its impressive recovery magic. If you ease up at all, Count Down will decide it’s time to unleash a potent attack like the Aurora Flash. Rely on your Regular Attacks if you want to beat the fearsome threesome in a timely manner. Mario’s Jump Attacks don’t faze Count Down, but they really hurt his partners in chime.''" Note that it lists the cake under "Bundt & Raspberry" (57) and Smilax under "Megasmilax" (80) | :The other closest mention I'm aware of would be the Nintendo Power Player's Guide, under '''Count Down''' on pg.102: "''Slam down Count Down, then ring the bells of the two Ding-A-Lings up top. You’ll want to clean the clock first to ward off its impressive recovery magic. If you ease up at all, Count Down will decide it’s time to unleash a potent attack like the Aurora Flash. Rely on your Regular Attacks if you want to beat the fearsome threesome in a timely manner. Mario’s Jump Attacks don’t faze Count Down, but they really hurt his partners in chime.''" Note that it lists the cake under "Bundt & Raspberry" (57) and Smilax under "Megasmilax" (80). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:20, July 5, 2024 (EDT) | ||
