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==Proposal: Costume Mario Sprites- accurate or visible?==
==Proposal: Costume Mario Sprites- accurate or visible?==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|gray|deleted}}
{{ProposalOutcome|gray|deleted}}
Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first.
Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first.


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:::::::100px is definitely too big, 39px looks good/is a good compromise. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::100px is definitely too big, 39px looks good/is a good compromise. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::As for the blurry thing, I agree they're not really blurry. They get blurry only when you resize them and compress them with an image editor, as these act like .svg files when you resize them. It's probably optical illusion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:18, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::As for the blurry thing, I agree they're not really blurry. They get blurry only when you resize them and compress them with an image editor, as these act like .svg files when you resize them. It's probably optical illusion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:18, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::That's what I meant. I did'nt really mean they get very blurry, but when they are very big, they aren't very HD. {{User:PowerKamek/sig}} 23:31, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::That's what I meant. I did'nt really mean they get very blurry, but when they are very big, they aren't very HD.[[File:PowerKamekSignature.png|150px|link=User:PowerKamek]]([[User talk:PowerKamek|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/PowerKamek|contribs]])<span style="color:red;font-family:monospace">Kamek Power!</span> 23:31, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::That is how the sprites look, they're not meant to be HD. They're not going to be HD either way you spin it. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 00:49, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::That is how the sprites look, they're not meant to be HD. They're not going to be HD either way you spin it. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 00:49, 15 September 2015 (EDT)


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::::I agree with {{User|Walkazo}}, the silver background has got to go, as it makes certain parts of the sprites invisible (ie. nearly ''all'' of Chibi-robo, Sonic's legs, Zelda's hair ties, etc.). While  the '''4x size''' ''is'' the best the '''2x size''' is also a good compromise. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 18:39, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
::::I agree with {{User|Walkazo}}, the silver background has got to go, as it makes certain parts of the sprites invisible (ie. nearly ''all'' of Chibi-robo, Sonic's legs, Zelda's hair ties, etc.). While  the '''4x size''' ''is'' the best the '''2x size''' is also a good compromise. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 18:39, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
::::I really think this proposal should use a revote. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:24, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
::::I really think this proposal should use a revote. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:24, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::I agree with Baby Luigi and Walkazo. {{User:PowerKamek/sig}}
:::::I agree with Baby Luigi and Walkazo.[[File:PowerKamekSignature.png|150px|link=User:PowerKamek]]
::::::Yeah, cancelling and replacing the proposal would be a good idea. Perhaps the new one could have both 4x and 2x options, both of which would call for the blue background, plus a blue-only/no-size-change option, and a flat opposition. Lots of options, true, but there's lots of opinions. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:14, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, cancelling and replacing the proposal would be a good idea. Perhaps the new one could have both 4x and 2x options, both of which would call for the blue background, plus a blue-only/no-size-change option, and a flat opposition. Lots of options, true, but there's lots of opinions. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:14, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::I've asked The Pyro Guy to cancel this proposal and start a new one. Hopefully he would say yes. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:20, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::I've asked The Pyro Guy to cancel this proposal and start a new one. Hopefully he would say yes. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:20, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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==Proposal: Resize the Costume Mario Sprites revamp==
==Proposal: Resize the Costume Mario Sprites revamp==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|green|3x size 0-1-15-0}}
{{ProposalOutcome|green|3x size 0-1-15-0}}
Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first.
Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first.


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==Create articles for all Costume Mario characters==
==Create articles for all Costume Mario characters==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-18|Do not create articles}}
Yes, you read that right. Here's the thing, Super Mario Maker is a main series game, and these are playable characters (mere reskins of Super Mario yes, but still playable characters) in that game that don't have articles. The descriptions of the characters often don't explain anything about the actual character, and a decent amount of them don't even provide a link to another wiki that would provide that information. Who is Ayumi Tachibana? I have no idea, and the wiki doesn't give any information (beyond "this is a character from a video game") or direct me anywhere I can find out. So, now we're in a situation where I can encounter a character in a main series Mario game, and the best the wiki can give me on that character is essentially "go Google it".
Yes, you read that right. Here's the thing, Super Mario Maker is a main series game, and these are playable characters (mere reskins of Super Mario yes, but still playable characters) in that game that don't have articles. The descriptions of the characters often don't explain anything about the actual character, and a decent amount of them don't even provide a link to another wiki that would provide that information. Who is Ayumi Tachibana? I have no idea, and the wiki doesn't give any information (beyond "this is a character from a video game") or direct me anywhere I can find out. So, now we're in a situation where I can encounter a character in a main series Mario game, and the best the wiki can give me on that character is essentially "go Google it".


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'''Proposer''': {{User|Waluigi Time}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Waluigi Time}}<br>
'''Deadline''': March 27, 2021, 23:59 GMT
'''Deadline''': March 27, 2020, 23:59 GMT


===Support===
===Support===
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#{{User|7feetunder}} These are alternate costume cameos, plain and simple. Articles on all of them would bloat the wiki with a lot of tangential information. We can just expand the descriptions a bit if people reading this wiki really need to know who Ayumi Tachibana and BABYMETAL are.
#{{User|7feetunder}} These are alternate costume cameos, plain and simple. Articles on all of them would bloat the wiki with a lot of tangential information. We can just expand the descriptions a bit if people reading this wiki really need to know who Ayumi Tachibana and BABYMETAL are.
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Given how truly random some of the Costume Mario characters are, the proposal passing will result in us having pages for characters such as Shaun the Sheep and Hello Kitty. These Costume Mario characters are just well, costumes, and not the actual characters themselves being playable. At least with Deku Babas, those actually appear as the actual enemies themselves, while the only thing appearing here is the costume of these characters. It's not like these Costume characters do much in terms of gameplay: sound and graphics aside Sonic acts the same as Hello Kitty, etc. If something like Shaun the Sheep actually had the actual character appear as more than a costume, then I'd be fine with splitting, but for now this is a bit silly. For example, Bubble has a page because the actual character is playable in ''King of Swing''; it's not just a mere costume.
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Given how truly random some of the Costume Mario characters are, the proposal passing will result in us having pages for characters such as Shaun the Sheep and Hello Kitty. These Costume Mario characters are just well, costumes, and not the actual characters themselves being playable. At least with Deku Babas, those actually appear as the actual enemies themselves, while the only thing appearing here is the costume of these characters. It's not like these Costume characters do much in terms of gameplay: sound and graphics aside Sonic acts the same as Hello Kitty, etc. If something like Shaun the Sheep actually had the actual character appear as more than a costume, then I'd be fine with splitting, but for now this is a bit silly. For example, Bubble has a page because the actual character is playable in ''King of Swing''; it's not just a mere costume.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} [[File:WarioSMM.png]] List works fine. Additional info, such as information for Yu Ayasaki, can be linked to Wikipedia. If such link does not exist or you think is inadequate, either we put a brief description of the outfit or we use an inline note tag<code><nowiki><ref group="note"></ref></nowiki></code> or an asterisk like we use for the playable character lists. [[File:Waluigi SMM.png]]
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} [[File:WarioSMM.png]] List works fine. Additional info, such as information for Yu Ayasaki, can be linked to Wikipedia. If such link does not exist or you think is inadequate, either we put a brief description of the outfit or we use an inline note tag<code><nowiki><ref group="note"></ref></nowiki></code> or an asterisk like we use for the playable character lists. [[File:Waluigi SMM2.png]]
#{{User|Alex95}} - Consider we're currently trying to limit our Smash coverage, I don't see much of a point to do this. These articles would just have a lot of minor, duplicate information because they basically are Super Mario with no game play changes. Per BLOF and Glowsquid, really.
#{{User|Alex95}} - Consider we're currently trying to limit our Smash coverage, I don't see much of a point to do this. These articles would just have a lot of minor, duplicate information because they basically are Super Mario with no game play changes. Per BLOF and Glowsquid, really.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
#{{user|TheDarkStar}} - Per all
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} We definitely don't need a bunch of short, redundant articles about what are essentially the same character. Per all.
#{{User|Duckfan77}} Per all.
#{{User|Wynn Liaw}} They are just costumes and they do not do anything except for changing the look of Mario and sound effects.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, this would be pointless.
#{{User|Superbound}} Overkill. [[Talk:List of Yoshi designs in Yoshi's Woolly World#These characters need pages.|Something similar was discussed few years ago]] and it honestly feels like repeat of it. Additionally per everyone else above me.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all.
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.


===Comments===
===Comments===
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::That ties more into Ray Trace's point about the resulting articles being samey and repetitive information-wise - shortness is not the issue here. We have tons of short articles on RPG items and such. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:01, March 13, 2021 (EST)
::That ties more into Ray Trace's point about the resulting articles being samey and repetitive information-wise - shortness is not the issue here. We have tons of short articles on RPG items and such. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:01, March 13, 2021 (EST)
::Well that's pretty much it honestly, though probably a bit more detailed than that, along with mentioning any related courses. But just because there's not a lot to say, that doesn't mean we shouldn't say it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:03, March 13, 2021 (EST)
::Well that's pretty much it honestly, though probably a bit more detailed than that, along with mentioning any related courses. But just because there's not a lot to say, that doesn't mean we shouldn't say it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:03, March 13, 2021 (EST)
== "Chitoge Kirisakil"? ==
Custome #125 is listed as "Chitoge Kirisakil", but the final "-l" couldn't be part of a Japanese name. The image name is "[[:File:SMM-CostumeMario-Chitoge Kirisaki.png|File:SMM-CostumeMario-Chitoge '''Kirisaki'''.png]]", and this is also the name of the ''Nisekoi'' protagonist revealed by a Google search. Did SMM really say "Kirisakil"? --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 00:23, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
: It turns out that the typo was introduced by [[Special:Diff/2953035|this edit]]. I have fixed it. --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 02:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

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