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| :I don't know the Japanese names, so I don't know which is which. [[File:Crazy8MK8.png|25px]] [[User:The Super Mario Super User|Super Mario User]] ([[User talk:The Super Mario Super User|talk]]) [[File:MK8 Mario Icon.png|25px]] 14:17, 13 September 2015 (EDT) | | :I don't know the Japanese names, so I don't know which is which. [[File:Crazy8MK8.png|25px]] [[User:The Super Mario Super User|Super Mario User]] ([[User talk:The Super Mario Super User|talk]]) [[File:MK8 Mario Icon.png|25px]] 14:17, 13 September 2015 (EDT) |
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| ==Proposal: Costume Mario Sprites- accurate or visible?== | | == Proposal: Costume Mario Sprites- accurate or visible? == |
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| Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first. | | Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first. |
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| I think going big is the obvious choice here. The placement and colors of the pixels is still accurate, the actual sprite is the same, but we can actually ''see it''. Look at Nintendo when they presented Mario Maker Costumes- They made them a few times larger for visibility. Here's what I present: Make it 2x or 3x larger, leave the transparent background, and call it a day. Upscaling the sprites doesn't make them less official or accurate. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] 04:38, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | I think going big is the obvious choice here. The placement and colors of the pixels is still accurate, the actual sprite is the same, but we can actually ''see it''. Look at Nintendo when they presented Mario Maker Costumes- They made them a few times larger for visibility. Here's what I present: Make it 2x or 3x larger, leave the transparent background, and call it a day. Upscaling the sprites doesn't make them less official or accurate. [[Special:Contributions/76.231.86.37|76.231.86.37]] 04:38, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| :Just because they do it doesn't mean we should. We don't enlarge any other sprite in this wiki, save for gallery pages, neither should we enlarge sprites here. People might think upscaling this equals higher quality when it's actually less useful than leaving the sprite the way it is. I can still ''see'' the sprite, mind you, and I'M the one with bad vision around here. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:40, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | :Just because they do it doesn't mean we should. We don't enlarge any other sprite in this wiki, save for gallery pages, neither should we enlarge sprites here. People might think upscaling this equals higher quality when it's actually less useful than leaving the sprite the way it is. I can still ''see'' the sprite, mind you, and I'M the one with bad vision around here. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:40, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::Well, there's a good reason they did it. Having 20x20 images when most people have 1080p screens is ridiculous. It's good you can personally see them, but realistically they aren't gonna be visible to most people at that size. Also, to the other person who said resizing them would make them blurry; There is no blurring when you resize pixels exponentially. Yes, blurry images would be bad, but the upscaled sprites would be crisp and sharp. Consistency would be the only plus side to leaving them x1, at expense of making the costumes hard to see. I usually like consistency too, but I think there are more advantages to resizing them. {{User|FlamingJumpCat}}'s proposal looks fairly attractive. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] 21:13, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::Well, there's a good reason they did it. Having 20x20 images when most people have 1080p screens is ridiculous. It's good you can personally see them, but realistically they aren't gonna be visible to most people at that size. Also, to the other person who said resizing them would make them blurry; There is no blurring when you resize pixels exponentially. Yes, blurry images would be bad, but the upscaled sprites would be crisp and sharp. Consistency would be the only plus side to leaving them x1, at expense of making the costumes hard to see. I usually like consistency too, but I think there are more advantages to resizing them. {{User|FlamingJumpCat}}'s proposal looks fairly attractive. [[Special:Contributions/76.231.86.37|76.231.86.37]] 21:13, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| :::I don't think it's ridiculous. Honestly, I think it's perfectly fine the way it is right now. As I said, we don't resize any other sprite in this wiki; any sprites used for illustrative purposes in the characters' respective articles are never resized, and for a good reason too. The main problem with this proposal is that it's ''extremely'' vague; the goal of it is to make it bigger, but it does '''not''' specify what size to resize the sprites to, hence, one of the main reasons I oppose it. And it being "hard" to see is mainly subjective, as I had stated; it's mostly the lack of contrast within the sprite that makes it hard to see, not because of the size, and I firmly think inflating the resolution of a sprite is a mistake you should not partake; we don't take screenshots of 8 bit games at any higher resolution than whatever game they're depicted. Same deal here. I would rather display sprites in an accurate size rather than display it at a larger resolution, especially if it's an anomaly to consistency within this wiki. Furthermore, I run a 1920x1080 computer and I really have no issues seeing the sprite; it's not invisible as some of you claim. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 21:28, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | :::I don't think it's ridiculous. Honestly, I think it's perfectly fine the way it is right now. As I said, we don't resize any other sprite in this wiki; any sprites used for illustrative purposes in the characters' respective articles are never resized, and for a good reason too. The main problem with this proposal is that it's ''extremely'' vague; the goal of it is to make it bigger, but it does '''not''' specify what size to resize the sprites to, hence, one of the main reasons I oppose it. And it being "hard" to see is mainly subjective, as I had stated; it's mostly the lack of contrast within the sprite that makes it hard to see, not because of the size, and I firmly think inflating the resolution of a sprite is a mistake you should not partake; we don't take screenshots of 8 bit games at any higher resolution than whatever game they're depicted. Same deal here. I would rather display sprites in an accurate size rather than display it at a larger resolution, especially if it's an anomaly to consistency within this wiki. Furthermore, I run a 1920x1080 computer and I really have no issues seeing the sprite; it's not invisible as some of you claim. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 21:28, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::::Screenshots of 8-bit games are a different ball park, in my opinion. Those are game screenshots, these are game ''assets''. While I think it's important to display screen sizes as they originally were, these are sprites ripped from their original environment. The pictures aren't displaying the game in a playable state, only the costumes and nothing else. And since we're dealing with what "looks better", there's bound to be some subjective points brought up. I think for the purpose of this article, the bigger sprites look more attractive and are even more user-friendly. I respect your proposal, but I firmly feel they should be resized. As for how much to resize them, that can be up for discussion. (Again, I realize you can see them just fine, but I think the larger sprites would make it easier on everyone. BTW, I got an account) [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 21:50, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::::Screenshots of 8-bit games are a different ball park, in my opinion. Those are game screenshots, these are game ''assets''. While I think it's important to display screen sizes as they originally were, these are sprites ripped from their original environment. The pictures aren't displaying the game in a playable state, only the costumes and nothing else. And since we're dealing with what "looks better", there's bound to be some subjective points brought up. I think for the purpose of this article, the bigger sprites look more attractive and are even more user-friendly. I respect your proposal, but I firmly feel they should be resized. As for how much to resize them, that can be up for discussion. (Again, I realize you can see them just fine, but I think the larger sprites would make it easier on everyone. BTW, I got an account) [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 21:50, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
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| :::::::100px is definitely too big, 39px looks good/is a good compromise. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | :::::::100px is definitely too big, 39px looks good/is a good compromise. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::::::::As for the blurry thing, I agree they're not really blurry. They get blurry only when you resize them and compress them with an image editor, as these act like .svg files when you resize them. It's probably optical illusion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:18, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::::::::As for the blurry thing, I agree they're not really blurry. They get blurry only when you resize them and compress them with an image editor, as these act like .svg files when you resize them. It's probably optical illusion. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:18, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| :::::::::That's what I meant. I did'nt really mean they get very blurry, but when they are very big, they aren't very HD. {{User:PowerKamek/sig}} 23:31, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | :::::::::That's what I meant. I did'nt really mean they get very blurry, but when they are very big, they aren't very HD.[[File:PowerKamekSignature.png|150px|link=User:PowerKamek]]([[User talk:PowerKamek|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/PowerKamek|contribs]])<span style="color:red;font-family:monospace">Kamek Power!</span> 23:31, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::::::::::That is how the sprites look, they're not meant to be HD. They're not going to be HD either way you spin it. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 00:49, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::::::::::That is how the sprites look, they're not meant to be HD. They're not going to be HD either way you spin it. [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 00:49, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
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| :Then the sprites should be left at their normal size. It's literally only one game compared to the rest of the times the sprites were ---ing used in this wiki. Where's the consistency? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:40, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | :Then the sprites should be left at their normal size. It's literally only one game compared to the rest of the times the sprites were ---ing used in this wiki. Where's the consistency? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:40, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::Nowhere to be seen. [[User:AnonBaiter|AnonBaiter]] ([[User talk:AnonBaiter|talk]]) 22:33, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::Nowhere to be seen. [[User:AnonBaiter|AnonBaiter]] ([[User talk:AnonBaiter|talk]]) 22:33, 14 September 2015 (EDT) |
| If you disagree with my vote, here's a test: take a device with a screen (a cell phone, 3ds, GamePad, etc) and hold it about 2.5 inches away from your eyes. Of it's blurry, then I've proven my point. Of not, then your vision is better than mine. (I'm 20/20) [[File:NSMBU Roy Artwork.png|x35px]] [[User:Roy Koopa|Roy]] [[User talk:Roy Koopa|Koopa]] 07:19, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | If you disagree with my vote, here's a test: take a device with a screen (a cell phone, 3ds, GamePad, etc) and hold it about 2.5 inches away from your eyes. Of it's blurry, then I've proven my point. Of not, then your vision is better than mine. (I'm 20/20) [[File:RoyNSMBU.png|x35px]] [[User:Roy Koopa|Roy]] [[User talk:Roy Koopa|Koopa]] 07:19, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
| :Um, no. Distance from your eyes and size of the picture are separate things. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 11:28, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | :Um, no. Distance from your eyes and size of the picture are separate things. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 11:28, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::Now that isn't true because the size of the screen (aka the picture) gets bigger as you put it closer. To prove this, start about 12 inches away and gradually move closer. When it gets blurry, it should be about 2.5 inches. {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 12:22, 15 September 2015 | | ::Now that isn't true because the size of the screen (aka the picture) gets bigger as you put it closer. To prove this, start about 12 inches away and gradually move closer. When it gets blurry, it should be about 2.5 inches. {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 12:22, 15 September 2015 |
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| ::: This test proves nothing, I did it with 2 screens, one on my 3ds, in which the images looked blurry, and on my HiRes PC, in which the images still looked crisp (Small still, but crisp) at the exact same distance in which I held my 3DS. Remember Eye Sight and Distance =/= Image Resolution. If we leave the images like this, some will see it, some won't wherealas if we give it a coding like 39px(http://imgur.com/fYkvUOl) it'll still look sharp and everyone can see them better!{{User:FlamingJumpCat/sig}} 12:30, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::: This test proves nothing, I did it with 2 screens, one on my 3ds, in which the images looked blurry, and on my HiRes PC, in which the images still looked crisp (Small still, but crisp) at the exact same distance in which I held my 3DS. Remember Eye Sight and Distance =/= Image Resolution. If we leave the images like this, some will see it, some won't wherealas if we give it a coding like 39px(http://imgur.com/fYkvUOl) it'll still look sharp and everyone can see them better!{{User:FlamingJumpCat/sig}} 12:30, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::::Roy Koopa: Your reasoning is weak. They don't make the sprites blurry. But besides the point, we shouldn't have to inflate the resolutions of the sprites when their native sizes suffice ''especially when it's like this for the vast majority of articles in the wiki''. This proposal is troubling because it opens such a can of worms for me, that you can make similar arguments in most other articles. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:34, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::::Roy Koopa: Your reasoning is weak. They don't make the sprites blurry. But besides the point, we shouldn't have to inflate the resolutions of the sprites when their native sizes suffice ''especially when it's like this for the vast majority of articles in the wiki''. This proposal is troubling because it opens such a can of worms for me, that you can make similar arguments in most other articles. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:34, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
| :::::I checked the bigs (in the page's history) out with both cell phone (Sony Xperia C) and computer, with a HiRes Samsung monitor. Not blurry.[[User:Wario W. 97|Wario W. 97]] ([[User talk:Wario W. 97|talk]]) 02:28, 16 September 2015 (EDT)
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| Wow, this proposal has gotten a lot more contentious than I thought it would be. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:30, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | Wow, this proposal has gotten a lot more contentious than I thought it would be. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:30, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
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| ::I actually prefer the 2x version since it's a good compromise between spacing in the table and the details of the sprite. I couldn't have seen the silver background (I use a custom CSS which makes the backgrounds black by default), but yeah, I highly agree that it's pretty bad. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:46, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::I actually prefer the 2x version since it's a good compromise between spacing in the table and the details of the sprite. I couldn't have seen the silver background (I use a custom CSS which makes the backgrounds black by default), but yeah, I highly agree that it's pretty bad. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:46, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::: I agree wholeheartedly with this compromise, I would say to use a x4 coding, but I definitely would not mind it being just x2. The blue background is also something we should definitely use instead of the gray. Definitely going with {{User|Walkazo}}'s idea. {{User:FlamingJumpCat/sig}} 17:54, 15 September 2015 (EDT) | | ::: I agree wholeheartedly with this compromise, I would say to use a x4 coding, but I definitely would not mind it being just x2. The blue background is also something we should definitely use instead of the gray. Definitely going with {{User|Walkazo}}'s idea. {{User:FlamingJumpCat/sig}} 17:54, 15 September 2015 (EDT) |
| ::::I agree with {{User|Walkazo}}, the silver background has got to go, as it makes certain parts of the sprites invisible (ie. nearly ''all'' of Chibi-robo, Sonic's legs, Zelda's hair ties, etc.). While the '''4x size''' ''is'' the best the '''2x size''' is also a good compromise. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 18:39, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::::I really think this proposal should use a revote. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:24, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::I agree with Baby Luigi and Walkazo. {{User:PowerKamek/sig}}
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| ::::::Yeah, cancelling and replacing the proposal would be a good idea. Perhaps the new one could have both 4x and 2x options, both of which would call for the blue background, plus a blue-only/no-size-change option, and a flat opposition. Lots of options, true, but there's lots of opinions. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:14, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::::I've asked The Pyro Guy to cancel this proposal and start a new one. Hopefully he would say yes. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:20, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::::::::Also, it occurred to me after I saved that we could do a compromise-within-a-compromise and go with 3x (see right). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:23, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::::::I'll go with either 2x or 3x. They seem the best to me. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:15, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ==Proposal: Resize the Costume Mario Sprites revamp==
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| {{Proposal outcome|green|3x size 0-1-15-0}}
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| Well then. There has been a bit of a disagreement on whether or not we should resize the sprites in the Mystery Suits table, even resulting in a borderline [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Costume_Mario&oldid=1887731 edit war] (no fingers pointed at anyone). The advantages of not resizing the sprites is that they are more accurate and consistent to, say, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''. However, I can say that I can ''barely'' see them in their current size, especially with good old [[Necky the Fox|Necky]] towering over them all. Right now, I would rather resize them slightly, but I'm going to wait to see what you guys think first.
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| So this bit I'm rewriting, courtesy of Walkazo's suggestions.. This is what the costumes currently look like;
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| As you can tell, the background is the wrong colour and it is hard to see. Below are a few possibilities provided by, again, Walkazo. (I had to mash 'em together)
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| Now, 100px and 4X is too big. Black is also a bad colour to use, as it still blends in with some characters. The natural size and maybe 2X is, in my opinion, too small. But I think that 3X the size is ''just right'', along with a sky blue background, seen in [[SMB]]. I've also done a complete reset of votes due to drastic changes. Thanks for reading and please leave a vote.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Pyro Guy}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': September 30, 2015, 23:59 GMT
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| ====Keep the size, change the background.====
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| ====100px, change the background.====
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| #{{User|Wario W. 97}} BIGGER AND BETTER, also manage each sprite with an opposite color background. Not only black and white, but blue and other colored background will 'remove' many pixels of a character.
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| ====3X the size, change the background.====
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| #{{User|The Pyro Guy}} Per proposal and Walkazo and more in the comments.
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| #{{User|Baby Luigi}} I'll just settle on this. Per all.
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| #{{User|Mariobro101}} Per all.
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| #{{User|FlamingJumpCat}} This would be the my prefered option, not too big and perfect background colour.
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| #{{User|Corrin}}As I said in the 1st proposal, the silver background has got to go. I'm not against 4X the size, but 3X the size is a '''''way''''' better compromise.
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} I'm concerned about the other sprites in the wiki, but if the sizes of these sprites in particular is the problem, then a small resize would do no harm.
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| #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per me in the above comments: ''SMB'' sprites are ''meant'' to stand out against the blue sky background, and the 3x magnification seems like a good size: not too small, not too big. Heck, I'd actually get behind doing similar magnification to other sprite tables too, not just here.
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| #{{User|Toadbrigade5}} Per all
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| #{{User|PowerKamek}} Per all. Looks better.
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| #{{User|The Super Mario Super User}} Per all
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| #{{User|Roy Koopa}} Per Corrin.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} Per all... again.
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| #{{User|DryKirby64}} Per all; it matches the in-game graphics best for easy viewing.
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| #{{User|Megadardery}}Exactly per Walkazo, the sprite does seem small in 1X and 2X, but also appears rather big in 4X and 100px that it starts to lose details. So resizing it to 3X seems logical, especially since Chrome now supports nearest-neighbor scaling.
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| #{{User|RandomYoshi}} – Per all.
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| I've reset the votes and extended the date as if it was done today, as I've been told to reset the proposal. All users will be messaged soonish. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 16:12, 16 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :meh I'm sorry about giving poor advice. Even I don't fully understand the entire proposal business. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:14, 16 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::Nah, it's fine. I might even set up a proposal regarding ''all'' NES and maybe even SNES sprites and see how that goes. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 01:58, 17 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::Once this proposal has been solved, I plan on changing the table. I've already got the code handy in my sandbox, so I can paste the code into the editor when this proposal has been solved.{{User:Corrin/sig}} 20:27, 17 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::::Could you show what your idea is, maybe in a preview and screenshot? I'm interested in seeing it. {{User:FlamingJumpCat/sig}}
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| ::::I went with what the majority seems to be going with: [[Talk:Costume_Mario#3X_the_size.2C_change_the_background.|3X the size, change the background]], [[User:Corrin/Sandbox|Here's]] a preview of my idea. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 00:41, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::Since this is Pyro Guy's proposal, it's [[MarioWiki:Courtesy#Discourteous_behaviour|actually considered discourteous]] to jump in and do the work for him or lay claim to it, without asking his permission first. If he's okay with you fixing the chart, you can, but a proposer always gets first dibs on the work they're proposing. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:27, 17 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::::::Ok, thanks for letting me know. I've just [[User_talk:The_Pyro_Guy#Costume_Mario_proposal|asked]] him. I'm fine with him doing it if he wants to. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 00:21, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::::We've made a [[User_talk:The_Pyro_Guy#Costume_Mario_proposal|com]][[User_talk:Corrin#Costume_Mario_proposal.|promise]], Pyro Guy will do the image resizing, and i'll do the changing of the background. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 16:41, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
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| Okay, so instead of arguing about it let me consider this idea first: what about each of the Costume Mario sprites having their own unique backgrounds rather than the plain gray color? That and each table showing the sprite and having received their own background colors rather than using gray for all of them sounds like a good idea that wasn't considered before, right? [[User:AnonBaiter|AnonBaiter]] ([[User talk:AnonBaiter|talk]]) 11:11, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :Gray? The proposal already proposed to change the background to sky-blue, like in SMB1. That color fits very well with every one (even blue characters!), and it would look a bit weird to have them all with different backgrounds... --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 11:17, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::Because all I'm seeing on the main article is gray backgrounds for each sprite. Sure, it is weird, but better off to have unique variety/individuality in terms of color backgrounds for each sprite than have them all sky-blue. [[User:AnonBaiter|AnonBaiter]] ([[User talk:AnonBaiter|talk]]) 11:23, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::That would look haphazard, inconsistent and/or messy, and it could be distracting and confusing (people might think there's colour-coding, etc.). Best to keep it uniform. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 11:39, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::::The sky blue works because the sprites themselves are designed to stand out against a sky-blue background in-game. Replicating the mostly sky-blue color would work, although black would also work well. The sky-blue is the most common, though. I do agree that having separate colors won't look the best. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:08, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::not that I'm participating in this proposal or anything, but wouldn't it make a little more sense to make the background colour the same colour as the background of the menu you select costumes from? (An image of what I'm referring to can be found higher up on this talk page.) I mean, black is obviously too dark, and like the light-blue colour given, this colour (#4b4a5a) is meant to accommodate all mystery costumes in-game but just isn't as jarring, in my opinion. {{user|GBAToad}}
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| ::::::IMO a lot of costumes blend with that color, like Digby's pants/shoes or Mario Kart's steering wheel/seat {{User:FlamingJumpCat/sig}} 21:00, 20 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::::Sky blue is hardly "jarring": it's not a glaring bright colour or anything, and anyone who's played through ''SMB'' (or any other ''Mario'' platformer, really) without retinal damage should be okay with one 50px-wide column of the game's standard background colour. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:09, 20 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::::::::Talking about the precise colour - is #6B8CFF <span style="color:#6B8CFF">█</span> the right "sky blue"? The background here - [[:File:SMM_SkinnyMario_Final.png]] - is #748AFF <span style="color:#748AFF">█</span>, while OG SMB - [[:File:SMBLevel.png]] - is #5C94FC <span style="color:#5C94FC">█</span>. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 08:03, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
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| So, is it going to be a common thing, resizing any small sprite to 3X size?--{{User:Megadardery/sig}} 08:48, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :The proposal only applies to this page, although I'm thinking about making a proposal regarding ''all'' [[NES]], [[SNES]] and [[Game Boy]] to [[GBA]] sprites that need doing so. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 11:25, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::I already think it's a major agreement that this will affect all other "small" sprites as well, also helps with consistency between sprites, I don't think making another proposal would be required.--{{User:Megadardery/sig}} 08:21, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ==Super Mario-kun confirmed for DLC costume==
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| [http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/244737-super-mario-kun-costume-coming-to-super-mario-maker Source here.]
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| Also comes with a level made by the manga author Yukio Sawada on November 6. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 13:39, 15 October 2015 (EDT)
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| :Well, let's add it to the section. (BTW, the Super Mario-Kun is awesome and that's awesome news) {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:40, 15 October 2015 (EDT)
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| == Cat Mario & Cat Peach costumes ==
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| *I ran into a screenshot that confirms that Cat Mario and Cat Peach are unlockable Mystery Mushroom costumes. The source of the screenshot can be found [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAADVHkmjrrs3A here]. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 21:21, 10 November 2015 (EST)
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| == Which pose are we using for the costume images? ==
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| Which pose are we using for the costume images? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 12:48, 28 November 2015 (EST)
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| :Right now, we are using the standing sprite, but I think the taunt sprite may represent the sprite more (save for Sheik and Zelda). {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 13:43, 28 November 2015 (EST)
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| ::I'd prefer it if we use [http://www.spriters-resource.com/wii_u/supermariomaker/sheet/69701/ these poses], as they are the ones that come up in the mystery mushroom menu.{{User:Corrin/sig}} 15:25, 28 November 2015 (EST)
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| :::Just use the standing sprite, I prefer consistency. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:49, 28 November 2015 (EST)
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| ::::Aren't the sprites in the link the standard ones we're already using anyway? But yeah, I agree that we should stick to the style we've used so far, rather than changing it to the taunt sprites for no good reason. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 15:52, 28 November 2015 (EST)
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| :::::So we are using the ones in the linked sheet? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 07:16, 2 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::::::Yes, we are. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 10:24, 4 December 2015 (EST)
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| :::::::Are we keeping the blank space, so they are all the same size, or cropping them down? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 15:29, 4 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::::::::The sprites are already tightly cropped, so you shouldn't add margins. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:48, 4 December 2015 (EST)
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| == Costume Images Inconsistency ==
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| Could someone please change the images of numbers 102 - 108 to the standing positions (and make bigger) to better match the rest of the images. --[[User:TheNGamer|TheNGamer]] ([[User talk:TheNGamer|talk]]) 20:19, 1 December 2015 (EST)
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| :Also could someone change the image of the Paper Jam Bros. to remove the yellow background and make it transparent. Thanks! --[[User:TheNGamer|TheNGamer]] ([[User talk:TheNGamer|talk]]) 20:19, 1 December 2015 (EST)
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| ==Mario Land Sky Pop Mario Costume Found by Dataminers.==
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| [https://youtu.be/ouY44VhhthY]
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| [https://www.reddit.com/r/MarioMaker/comments/3xisio/spoilers_costume_112_leaked/]
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| {{User:Corrin/sig}} 00:45, 20 December 2015 (EST)
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| :They found it by editing a level externally to add a specific Mystery Mushroom, then putting it back into the game. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 06:29, 20 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::But that still technically confirms it right? {{User:Corrin/sig}} 15:00, 20 December 2015 (EST)
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| :::I'm more curious about what they did to make the flagpole at the very start of the screen and why the level causes a crash when the level style is switched to the castle theme. {{User:Corrin/sig}} 15:10, 20 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::::Most likely because of the axe and bridge mechanic being completely covered. But yes, that costume is confirmed. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 06:55, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::::For the first thing, they probably changed the X/Y placement of it to something that can't be achived using the in-game editor. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 07:22, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| == you guys think you could get some sprites? ==
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| cuz it'd be nice if i could get information from this wiki {{unsigned|76.111.178.46}}
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| :Costumes 1-101 contain full sprite rips straight from the game. If you are looking for complete sprite sets for the entire game, please visit [http://www.spriters-resource.com/wii_u/supermariomaker/ The Spriter's Resource]. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 02:24, 22 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::there are images of the sprites on twitter. i could get them for you but it would defy my morals by helping this wiki more than just leaving somewhat snarky talk page messages. [[Special:Contributions/76.111.178.46|76.111.178.46]] 12:55, 23 February 2016 (EST)
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| do you guys even know what twitter ''is''? because they just announced a new costume, and it was listed on SmashWiki before you, and it's not their job to list it. [[Special:Contributions/76.111.178.46|76.111.178.46]] 22:15, 23 February 2016 (EST)
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| :We are waiting for direct rips from the data. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 14:06, 24 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::...then why do you have birdo, bike, etc.
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| ::besides, the hackers say it's going to be near impossible to get those sprites. ignoring existing resources to get a form of consistency that will be near impossible is... well, a completely brainless action that only mariowiki would consider proper.
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| :::Birdo, Bike, etc. are from Nintendo's Twitter, which the source is already provided. Direct rips are ideal, but we resort to Twitter when we can. If there isn't any images despite an image being hosted on Twitter, it's simple editor oversight (this wiki is big, many of us can't get updated on everything you know), which you can go ahead and fix it yourself if you dislike this wiki but still somehow care enough to comment and whine about it. The rippers are most likely going to find a way to extract the data, it's just trickier to do so. It's hardly impossible. On your whining about SmashWiki getting information before us, it takes some time for it to get here, bitching about it won't magically solve your problems. No one wants your toxic sour attitude around here, so stop posting unhelpful condescending comments or the staff here will be glad to help you just as they banned you previously for one month for the same shitty attitude. [[Special:Contributions/207.233.76.9|207.233.76.9]] 21:18, 3 March 2016 (EST)
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| 'sup Peanutjon, still salty we didn't censor the Bob Hoskins page? --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 20:15, 6 March 2016 (EST)
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| == Wolf Link costume ==
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| Where was the source for the unlock info for the Wolf Link costume can be cleared in the future event course, I only did heard it from GameXplain that the costume can be add it from using the Wolf Link amiibo?[[User:King Marth 64|King Marth 64]] ([[User talk:King Marth 64|talk]]) 20:17, 3 March 2016 (EST)
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| == Spaghetti Mario? ==
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| I have seen a costume not listed here while playing. It's an odd-looking tall, skinny Mario that some people called "Spaghetti Mario". Is this important? ----72.196.121.153
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| :That's [[Weird Mario]] powered up with a [[Weird Mushroom]] and no, it's not part of Costume Mario, so that's why it's not listed. – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 11:54, 12 November 2018 (EST)
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| == Toad Costume ==
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| The game claims that Toad is from Super Mario Bros. This is incorrect, as he debuted in SMB2. [[User:CBFan5|CBFan5]] ([[User talk:CBFan5|talk]]) 20:43, July 11, 2020 (EDT)
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| :That's what it said in-game. Although you are technically correct for that specific blue-vest Red Toad, but Toads in general actually debuted in ''Super Mario Bros.''. - {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 00:54, July 12, 2020 (EDT)
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| ==Create articles for all Costume Mario characters==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|1-18|Do not create articles}}
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| Yes, you read that right. Here's the thing, Super Mario Maker is a main series game, and these are playable characters (mere reskins of Super Mario yes, but still playable characters) in that game that don't have articles. The descriptions of the characters often don't explain anything about the actual character, and a decent amount of them don't even provide a link to another wiki that would provide that information. Who is Ayumi Tachibana? I have no idea, and the wiki doesn't give any information (beyond "this is a character from a video game") or direct me anywhere I can find out. So, now we're in a situation where I can encounter a character in a main series Mario game, and the best the wiki can give me on that character is essentially "go Google it".
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| Technically, this could also be fixed by writing/expanding the descriptions we have now. However, I'm worried that this will end up bloating the Costume Mario page with information that's not really pertinent to the game itself, and also, these are characters in a Mario game after all, what's the harm in having articles for them?
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Waluigi Time}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': March 27, 2021, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Support===
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Bring on the costumes.
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| ===Oppose===
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| #{{User|Ray Trace}} I personally think creating pages for each individual, nonMario costume is excessive, straddles our coverage, and that's what they all are, glorified alternate costumes, which a lot of repetitive information (*guy* is alternate costume in Super Mario Maker. *some basic info* *what he could do in Super Mario maker*) on repeat. Many of the crossover characters are justified because they had an appearance as playable fighters in Super Smash Bros. If the character does not have adequate information, then just externally link their name to an outside wiki such as in Ayumi's case. Keep in mind that I don't totally agree with our current Smash Bros. coverage either and should be trimmed down.
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| #{{User|Glowsquid}} Beside everything said above, I think likening alternate skins (it's in the name!) to fully realized playable characters is not a valid comparison.
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Ray Trace and Glowsquid. The costumes act more as alternate skins rather than distinct characters, with none of the costumes granting unique abilities. Due to this, I feel they would be considered cameos rather than full guest appearances.
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| #{{User|Keyblade Master}} These articles would most likely be way too short and similar to each other.
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| #{{User|7feetunder}} These are alternate costume cameos, plain and simple. Articles on all of them would bloat the wiki with a lot of tangential information. We can just expand the descriptions a bit if people reading this wiki really need to know who Ayumi Tachibana and BABYMETAL are.
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| #{{User|Doomhiker}} Given how truly random some of the Costume Mario characters are, the proposal passing will result in us having pages for characters such as Shaun the Sheep and Hello Kitty. These Costume Mario characters are just well, costumes, and not the actual characters themselves being playable. At least with Deku Babas, those actually appear as the actual enemies themselves, while the only thing appearing here is the costume of these characters. It's not like these Costume characters do much in terms of gameplay: sound and graphics aside Sonic acts the same as Hello Kitty, etc. If something like Shaun the Sheep actually had the actual character appear as more than a costume, then I'd be fine with splitting, but for now this is a bit silly. For example, Bubble has a page because the actual character is playable in ''King of Swing''; it's not just a mere costume.
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} [[File:WarioSMM.png]] List works fine. Additional info, such as information for Yu Ayasaki, can be linked to Wikipedia. If such link does not exist or you think is inadequate, either we put a brief description of the outfit or we use an inline note tag<code><nowiki><ref group="note"></ref></nowiki></code> or an asterisk like we use for the playable character lists. [[File:Waluigi SMM.png]]
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| #{{User|Alex95}} - Consider we're currently trying to limit our Smash coverage, I don't see much of a point to do this. These articles would just have a lot of minor, duplicate information because they basically are Super Mario with no game play changes. Per BLOF and Glowsquid, really.
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| #{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
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| #{{user|TheDarkStar}} - Per all
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} We definitely don't need a bunch of short, redundant articles about what are essentially the same character. Per all.
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| #{{User|Duckfan77}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Wynn Liaw}} They are just costumes and they do not do anything except for changing the look of Mario and sound effects.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} Per all, this would be pointless.
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| #{{User|Superbound}} Overkill. [[Talk:List of Yoshi designs in Yoshi's Woolly World#These characters need pages.|Something similar was discussed few years ago]] and it honestly feels like repeat of it. Additionally per everyone else above me.
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| #{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per all.
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| ===Comments===
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| @Ray Trace: I think it's perfectly within our coverage and not excessive at all. This isn't a crossover after all, it's a main series Mario game. Encountering a character in a Mario game and then going to the Mario Wiki to find out who the heck they are only to get sent somewhere else (or nowhere at all, in some cases) isn't beneficial to our readers. A simple opening paragraph or two explaining the gist of the character without going into too much detail as we do for any other crossover character and then followed up by an explanation of their role in the game should suffice. I don't think the articles would be repetitive either, as nearly every costume has some variation with their sound effects and their action when you press the up button, and many of them have unique unlock methods and even special event courses tied to them. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:56, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| :The characters that appear here are more like cameos than they truly are guest characters in the same vein as [[Slime (Dragon Quest)]] or [[Platypunk]] are. I think how the list is organized is adequate enough, just externally link their names if basic information on them is a must, as we already do for the series they appear in. In addition, 9-Volt microgames in WarioWare titles have you controlling nonMario characters all the time; Empress Bulbax got merges specifically for that reason. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 15:07, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| ::I still question why a cameo character in a Mario game is unworthy of an article. You do bring up a good point with WarioWare, though given those microgames are usually (if not always) "hey look at this Nintendo game" I think you can make a better case for not covering them. (Honestly though, I'm not saying we necessarily should, but I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if we did) --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:16, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| :::Nonplayable cameo characters get relegated to [[List of references in the Mario franchise|this list]] should they appear, but Costume Mario I guess is a bit more substantial than an appearance in that list. However, I don't think it comfortably passes coverage checks either, which is why I think the status quo with extra external links is the best option. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 15:18, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| ::::Are there any characters who are solely covered on that list, though? I legitimately can't think of any. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:21, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| :::::The Splatoon side-characters who appear in Urchin Underpass (like those jellyfish guys) are one of them, but a lot of characters didn't get articles until they were posthumously added to Smash Bros. such as Duck Hunt or Pikmin and Olimar. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 15:25, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| ::::::There are also Deku Babas and Keese, which appear as [[Hyrule Circuit]]-specific reskins of Piranha Plants and Swoops, respectively (and with Rupees in place of coins). There was even a proposal to split them that failed. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 15:30, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| :::::::Well that's concerning, the Splatoon characters don't seem to be covered ''anywhere'', actually. Though given that they at least seem to play no role in the game, not giving them pages is a lot easier to swallow. I probably would support splitting the Zelda subjects if that came up again, though there is the point that they solely appear in a completely Zelda based environment in a Mario game, versus the Costume Mario costumes which are crossover characters tossed into what is otherwise a 100% Mario game. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:51, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| @Keyblade Master: Why is a short article a problem? We already have plenty of short articles on subjects that only appear in a single game, it's not our fault Nintendo didn't use them for much. Articles only need to say what's there to be said. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:51, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| :In this case at least, it seems to me like all these articles would be something like (this is just an example I made up, I know he's not an actual costume) "Sora is the main protagonist in the ''Kingdom Hearts'' franchise, and one of the Keyblade-weilding guardians of light. In the ''Mario'' series, he appears as a costume for [[Costume Mario]] when using the [[Mystery Mushroom]] in ''[[Super Mario Maker]]'' (then describe button functions)". That's literally all I could think off to put in these articles. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 15:58, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| ::That ties more into Ray Trace's point about the resulting articles being samey and repetitive information-wise - shortness is not the issue here. We have tons of short articles on RPG items and such. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:01, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| ::Well that's pretty much it honestly, though probably a bit more detailed than that, along with mentioning any related courses. But just because there's not a lot to say, that doesn't mean we shouldn't say it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:03, March 13, 2021 (EST)
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| == "Chitoge Kirisakil"? ==
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| Custome #125 is listed as "Chitoge Kirisakil", but the final "-l" couldn't be part of a Japanese name. The image name is "[[:File:SMM-CostumeMario-Chitoge Kirisaki.png|File:SMM-CostumeMario-Chitoge '''Kirisaki'''.png]]", and this is also the name of the ''Nisekoi'' protagonist revealed by a Google search. Did SMM really say "Kirisakil"? --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 00:23, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
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| : It turns out that the typo was introduced by [[Special:Diff/2953035|this edit]]. I have fixed it. --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 02:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
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