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==Move to Lumacomète== | ==Move to Lumacomète== | ||
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I get it. "Why are you, of all people, suggesting this nonsense?" The above proposal was made way before [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/71#A reconsidering of "derived names"|this one]], so I think it's only fair we reconsider this once again. Here's a fact that might not be liked, but it's still a fact nonetheless: "Lumacomète" is more official than "Comet Luma" as things currently stand. Maybe there wasn't much of a thought to it ending up in an English book, but at the end of the day, it came from an official in-game source to begin with. Sure, "Comet Luma" might be the name they give it later if there's another chance, why not; however, this is asking for us to chase citogenesis forever. "[[Bat (Super Mario Galaxy)|Did]] [[Fire Nipper Plant|they]] [[Barrel Bomb|copy]] <s>[[Croaka Cola|fans]]</s>?" I don't know, but I believe it'd be better to do some more preventative actions now so we don't have to ask that question later. The current title is a derived fan-name, and this proposal will help determine if the new derived-name system will be a last resort - yes, below ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia''. If this passes, Lumacomète will be marked as <nowiki>{{encyclopedia}}</nowiki> and treated as any other name in that category until the day ever comes where we can, without worry, call it Comet Luma (or whatever NoA comes up with). | I get it. "Why are you, of all people, suggesting this nonsense?" The above proposal was made way before [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/71#A reconsidering of "derived names"|this one]], so I think it's only fair we reconsider this once again. Here's a fact that might not be liked, but it's still a fact nonetheless: "Lumacomète" is more official than "Comet Luma" as things currently stand. Maybe there wasn't much of a thought to it ending up in an English book, but at the end of the day, it came from an official in-game source to begin with. Sure, "Comet Luma" might be the name they give it later if there's another chance, why not; however, this is asking for us to chase citogenesis forever. "[[Bat (Super Mario Galaxy)|Did]] [[Fire Nipper Plant|they]] [[Barrel Bomb|copy]] <s>[[Croaka Cola|fans]]</s>?" I don't know, but I believe it'd be better to do some more preventative actions now so we don't have to ask that question later. The current title is a derived fan-name, and this proposal will help determine if the new derived-name system will be a last resort - yes, below ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia''. If this passes, Lumacomète will be marked as <nowiki>{{encyclopedia}}</nowiki> and treated as any other name in that category until the day ever comes where we can, without worry, call it Comet Luma (or whatever NoA comes up with). | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': January 19, 2025, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Support=== | ===Support=== | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} deux avis valent mieux qu'un. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} deux avis valent mieux qu'un. | ||
#{{User|Hewer}} I honestly always thought its reasoning for being excluded from [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/60#Partially unban citing the English version of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia as official names for subjects|this proposal]] was a bit shaky, considering that "Comet Tico" (from which the current title is derived) is Japanese while "Lumacomète" is (according to Encyclopedia) English. And in the words of the new [[Template:Derivation|derived name template]], "If an official English name is found that differs from the current name, then the article should be moved to the new title." Per proposal. | #{{User|Hewer}} I honestly always thought its reasoning for being excluded from [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/60#Partially unban citing the English version of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia as official names for subjects|this proposal]] was a bit shaky, considering that "Comet Tico" (from which the current title is derived) is Japanese while "Lumacomète" is (according to Encyclopedia) English. And in the words of the new [[Template:Derivation|derived name template]], "If an official English name is found that differs from the current name, then the article should be moved to the new title." Per proposal. | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
#{{User|Nintendo101}} I would prefer seeing this character's | #{{User|Nintendo101}} I would prefer seeing this character's named moved to "Comet Chiko" before the French name. When an English name is not available, I believe a character created and designed in Japan in a Japanese work by creators from Japan is better represented by a Romanization of its Japanese name. It is not a French character. | ||
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per Nintendo101. | #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per Nintendo101. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
FYI for anyone bringing up [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable sources for naming|policy priority]]: The only reason development names are higher than ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia'' names is precisely because of [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/60#Partially unban citing the English version of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia as official names for subjects|my partial-unban proposal]] and I figured it was an acceptable spot so that we can safely leave this as Comet Tico. However, another proposal added an even lower priority than the ''Encyclopedia'', so that was already outdated before the derived-names proposal. Realistically, only dev data, site filenames, and foreign names make sense to use as derived names. Why not just make a proposal that cuts the middleman and swaps <nowiki>{{dev data}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{encyclopedia}}</nowiki>? Firstly, I'd have to review all the potential consequences of that, and secondly, it's to establish that, if you use a derived name, it should be low priority anyway. (Also, as a transliteration, it doesn't truly apply.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:21, January 5, 2025 (EST) | FYI for anyone bringing up [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable sources for naming|policy priority]]: The only reason development names are higher than ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia'' names is precisely because of [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/60#Partially unban citing the English version of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia as official names for subjects|my partial-unban proposal]] and I figured it was an acceptable spot so that we can safely leave this as Comet Tico. However, another proposal added an even lower priority than the ''Encyclopedia'', so that was already outdated before the derived-names proposal. Realistically, only dev data, site filenames, and foreign names make sense to use as derived names. Why not just make a proposal that cuts the middleman and swaps <nowiki>{{dev data}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{encyclopedia}}</nowiki>? Firstly, I'd have to review all the potential consequences of that, and secondly, it's to establish that, if you use a derived name, it should be low priority anyway. (Also, as a transliteration, it doesn't truly apply.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:21, January 5, 2025 (EST) | ||
Somewhat relevant: regardless of this proposal's outcome, I feel like we should acknowledge Encyclopedia names on pages even if they aren't being used as the title, since it's information that makes sense to document (and is already listed on the [[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia]] page itself), like how the [[Polterpiranha]] article acknowledges the "Ghost" name despite not using it as the title, and the [[Nipper Dandelion]] article actually explains the situation where we aren't sure if they took the name from the wiki. In other words, if this proposal fails, I think the article should still say something like "'''Comet Luma''', known as '''Lumacomète''' in the ''[[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia]]'' | Somewhat relevant: regardless of this proposal's outcome, I feel like we should acknowledge Encyclopedia names on pages even if they aren't being used as the title, since it's information that makes sense to document (and is already listed on the [[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia]] page itself), like how the [[Polterpiranha]] article acknowledges the "Ghost" name despite not using it as the title, and the [[Nipper Dandelion]] article actually explains the situation where we aren't sure if they took the name from the wiki. In other words, if this proposal fails, I think the article should still say something like "'''Comet Luma''', known as '''Lumacomète''' in the ''[[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia]]''[citation], is a unique [[Luma]] found in..." etc. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:59, January 5, 2025 (EST) | ||
@Nintendo101: The point of the proposal is that an English name ''is'' available, because Lumacomète's usage in the English version of the encyclopedia makes it an official English name. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:59, January 5, 2025 (EST) | @Nintendo101: The point of the proposal is that an English name ''is'' available, because Lumacomète's usage in the English version of the encyclopedia makes it an official English name. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:59, January 5, 2025 (EST) | ||
