Editing Talk:Coin

==(First topic)==
Should we put how coins work on Club Nintendo? {{User:Jaffffey/sig}}

:Well maybe a quick mention (if they are Mario coins), but it seems such information would be more beneficial on a Club Nintendo page. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
::I suggested [[Talk:Club Nintendo|here]] that we could have a page on the Club Nintendo loyalty program. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 07:43, 2 January 2009 (EST)

:::We should - it's a major Nintendo program that releases some exclusive Mario products. Unfortunately I don't know enough about it to actually start the article. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}

Coins appear in alost every game!!!There are many kinds of coins.
{{unsigned|Club Penguin}}

:This has nothing to do with improving the article... Please <s>talk about how interesting coins are</s> talk in forums [http://forum.mariowiki.com/index.php? here] if you want. {{user:Mario jc/sig}}

== Mario Kart 7 ==

Is the maximum amount of coins you can get in a GP 40 because you can get 10 coins per level, or does it add up ALL the coins you collect even if they don't count towards your total during the race? Because 40 coins per GP would mean you have to play 125 grand prix to get a Ghastly Glider and 250 GPs for Gold Glider and etc...[[User:Mastergiygas|Mastergiygas]] 16:47, 28 December 2011 (EST)

==Coins compared to american dollars==

Someone has found out how much a "Mushroom Kingdom Coin" is compared to a U.S. Dollar. (dollar as they are probably american) i can't remember how much it was, but it was said on a video, if i find it should i link the source? [[Special:Contributions/109.145.44.126|109.145.44.126]] 15:42, 26 February 2013 (EST)

== More pictures less writing. ==

It needs more pics. There really isn't that much. Also It needs less writing.
[[User:Goombob|I am goombob and I love paper mario games]] ([[User talk:Goombob|talk]]) 18:27, 17 May 2013 (EDT)Goombob
:The pictures <s>and their useless captions</s> seem adequate to me. I don't see how there is too much writing. We don't have any overblown plot "synopsizes" here.<br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:08, 18 May 2013 (EDT)

== Merge [[5 Gold Coin]] and [[50 Gold Coin]] with [[Coin]] ==

{{TPP}}
The articles [[5 Gold Coin]] and [[50 Gold Coin]] are stubs, and they always will. There's nothing to say about them; they're just coins with a different value. The article [[Coin]] already covers different types of coins which do not deserve their own articles. I'm not sure this even needs a TPP, frankly

'''Proposer''': {{User|Banon}}<br>	
'''Deadline''': January 13, 2016, 23:59 GMT
	
===Support===	
#{{User|Banon}} Per proposal

===Oppose===
#{{User|Time Turner}} Stubs are not short articles. Stubs are articles that are lacking in information. The items have different values than a regular coin, and are distinguished with unique appearances and names. By all means, they should have individual articles. This proposal also fails to account for [[10 Gold Coin]], [[20 Blue Coin]], [[Coin (Wario Land 4)|the WL4 Coin]], [[Large Coin]], and [[Giant Coin]].
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Time Turner. Better to have many small articles for many different things (officially named or otherwise) rather than only having the info in one conglomerated page, which is harder to pick relevant details out of, more awkward to deal with for navigation, and which may not net as much search traffic.
#{{User|Niiue}} This would be like merging [[Super Mushroom]], [[1-Up Mushroom]], etc. into the main [[Mushroom]] article.

===Comments===
Fair enough. Are the names even official? Some of them are tagged as conjectural, and none of them include references. I might have to change my proposal to include those articles, but I don't see the point of:
*[[Coin (Wario Land 4)]]. The talk page mentions an organization by game is more efficient, but as far as I know that's the only case. The coins do not act differently in WL4. It was apparently supposed to prevent "making an article for all the different types of Coin name", which happened anyway.
* [[Coin (Diddy Kong Racing DS)]]. If the Mario Kart coins, which have a different effect than regular coins, are covered in the [[Coin]] article, then these should too.
*[[Large Coin]]. Conjectural name, should be merged with [[5 Gold Coin]] (and then be merged with [[Coin]] if my original proposal passes)
*[[Giant Coin]]. If a source for the name doesn't come up, should become [[100 Gold Coin]] (and then be merged with [[Coin]] if my original proposal passes)
*[[20 Blue Coin]]. Only appears in one game, and doesn't appear along regular Blue coins. Could be merged with [[Blue Coin]], although I admit they're not collectibles as usual.
*X Gold Coin. Per proposal. {{User:Banon/sig}} 16:10, 30 December 2015 (EST)
::The main point is that all of those coins have different values, different from the rest, with different appearances, and that's what warrants their different articles. Besides that, though, why? As far as I can tell, the Coin article doesn't have any other coins nested inside, instead preferring to briefly mention them while linking to their main article. I don't think it'd be particularly neater to nest all of the information and images from the several Coins you'd like to merge in the various subsections instead of one-off articles. On that note, is there anything wrong with having them be separate articles? There isn't a standard for merging articles like these, so the argument can't rest on that. Don't fix what isn't broken. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:::You're right in that the coin article doesn't cover different types of coin, my bad. I went back and noticed that the examples that I'd seen actually link to a separate article. Anyway, apparently I don't understand what is deserving of its own page, but to me it seems rather silly to create articles for all types of coins. {{User:Banon/sig}} 18:49, 30 December 2015 (EST)
::::Is there any particular reason you think it's silly? The general trend of the wiki is to split instead of merge, to give articles to multiple subjects instead of bunching them into one article, and this is another example of that, imo. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:::::Well, contrary to the various Mushroom items, these coins are not differentiated by their names (until a reference comes up, I'll consider those titles are conjectural), or by their effects (they both increase your coin total; not by the same amount, granted, but still. It's a basic coin. Collecting 5 or 8 of those doesn't unlock anything, unlike the [[Dragon Coin]]s and [[Red Coin]]s). They admittedly have a different appearance, but is that enough variation to warrant a separate article? The shape and color is the same. Should we split the Koopa Troopa article based on shell color because of AI difference? It seems like the wiki's saying those types of coins are fundamentally different than the regular coins, but the way I see it, they're not. {{User:Banon/sig}} 20:36, 30 December 2015 (EST)
:A penny is different from a dime, which is different from a quarter, which is different from a dollar, and so on. They all add to the same pool, but they're all fundamentally different. The coins up there are different denominations for the Mushroom World's money. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:The fact that they increase your coin total by different amounts is a large enough difference to keep them separate articles. We already have precedent with the [[Heart (Wario Land)|Heart]]/[[3-Up Heart]], not to mention [[Big Goomba|all]] [[Big Paragoomba|those]] [[Big Koopa Troopa|giant]] [[Giant Ninji|enemies]] that otherwise act exactly the same as their normal counterparts. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 21:03, 30 December 2015 (EST)
::This might seem like a very silly example, but consider this for a moment. Let's say ladders are a reccuring element in the Mario series, and that most of them have 10 steps. Those are officially called "Ladders". However, in some games, Mario interact with some ladders which have 11 steps. And in other games, you can find ladders with 15 steps! Those ladders are different, but they are not given a name. In that hypothetical situation, would you be in favor of creating the articles {{fakelink|11-step ladder}} and {{fakelink|15-step ladder}}? To me, the Coin situation is analogous to this one. {{User:Banon/sig}} 10:25, 31 December 2015 (EST)
:::That's not really a perfect analogy, though. A better analogy is something like the Heart/3-Up Heart example from earlier. They're the same (e.g. HP-refilling hearts), except one's bigger and refills more HP. And imo, two items giving you different amounts of [whatever] is a more significant difference than two ladders with different amounts of steps (that's veering into the direction of splitting Koopas/Shy Guys/etc by color).  [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 10:49, 31 December 2015 (EST)
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 :::We should - it's a major Nintendo program that releases some exclusive Mario products. Unfortunately I don't know enough about it to actually start the article. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
+Coins appear in alost every game!!!There are many kinds of coins.
+{{unsigned|Club Penguin}}
+:This has nothing to do with improving the article... Please <s>talk about how interesting coins are</s> talk in forums [http://forum.mariowiki.com/index.php? here] if you want. {{user:Mario jc/sig}}
 == Mario Kart 7 ==
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 == Merge [[5 Gold Coin]] and [[50 Gold Coin]] with [[Coin]] ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|red|failed 9-2}}
+{{TPP}}
 The articles [[5 Gold Coin]] and [[50 Gold Coin]] are stubs, and they always will. There's nothing to say about them; they're just coins with a different value. The article [[Coin]] already covers different types of coins which do not deserve their own articles. I'm not sure this even needs a TPP, frankly
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 ===Support===
 #{{User|Banon}} Per proposal
-#{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} I agree because red and blue coins from [[Super Mario 64]] are covered by [[Coin]].
 ===Oppose===
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 #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Time Turner. Better to have many small articles for many different things (officially named or otherwise) rather than only having the info in one conglomerated page, which is harder to pick relevant details out of, more awkward to deal with for navigation, and which may not net as much search traffic.
 #{{User|Niiue}} This would be like merging [[Super Mushroom]], [[1-Up Mushroom]], etc. into the main [[Mushroom]] article.
-#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per all.
-#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per TT.
-#{{User|Andymii}} Per all.
-#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &ndash; Per all.
-#{{User|Sonic98}} Per all.
-#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Per Time Turner.
 ===Comments===
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 :A penny is different from a dime, which is different from a quarter, which is different from a dollar, and so on. They all add to the same pool, but they're all fundamentally different. The coins up there are different denominations for the Mushroom World's money. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
 :The fact that they increase your coin total by different amounts is a large enough difference to keep them separate articles. We already have precedent with the [[Heart (Wario Land)|Heart]]/[[3-Up Heart]], not to mention [[Big Goomba|all]] [[Big Paragoomba|those]] [[Big Koopa Troopa|giant]] [[Giant Ninji|enemies]] that otherwise act exactly the same as their normal counterparts. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 21:03, 30 December 2015 (EST)
-::This might seem like a very silly example, but consider this for a moment. Let's say ladders are a reccuring element in the Mario series, and that most of them have 10 steps. Those are officially called "Ladders". However, in some games, Mario interact with some ladders which have 11 steps. And in other games, you can find ladders with 15 steps! Those ladders are different, but they are not given a name. In that hypothetical situation, would you be in favor of creating the articles {{fake link|11-step ladder}} and {{fake link|15-step ladder}}? To me, the Coin situation is analogous to this one. {{User:Banon/sig}} 10:25, 31 December 2015 (EST)
+::This might seem like a very silly example, but consider this for a moment. Let's say ladders are a reccuring element in the Mario series, and that most of them have 10 steps. Those are officially called "Ladders". However, in some games, Mario interact with some ladders which have 11 steps. And in other games, you can find ladders with 15 steps! Those ladders are different, but they are not given a name. In that hypothetical situation, would you be in favor of creating the articles {{fakelink|11-step ladder}} and {{fakelink|15-step ladder}}? To me, the Coin situation is analogous to this one. {{User:Banon/sig}} 10:25, 31 December 2015 (EST)
-:::That's not really a perfect analogy, though. A better analogy is something like the Heart/3-Up Heart example from earlier. They're the same (e.g. HP-refilling hearts), except one's bigger and refills more HP. And imo, two items giving you different amounts of [whatever] is a more significant difference than two ladders with different amounts of steps (that's veering into the direction of splitting Koopas/Shy Guys/etc by color). [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 10:49, 31 December 2015 (EST)
+:::That's not really a perfect analogy, though. A better analogy is something like the Heart/3-Up Heart example from earlier. They're the same (e.g. HP-refilling hearts), except one's bigger and refills more HP. And imo, two items giving you different amounts of [whatever] is a more significant difference than two ladders with different amounts of steps (that's veering into the direction of splitting Koopas/Shy Guys/etc by color).  [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 10:49, 31 December 2015 (EST)
-::::Then again, Green and Red Koopas often have different AI. Yet it'd be silly to split them. {{User:Banon/sig}} 11:25, 31 December 2015 (EST)
-:::::They're interchangeable in other appearances, so again, not a fair comparison. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 11:50, 31 December 2015 (EST)
-Consider that Giant enemies have different names and they're supposed to be different enemies. I don't think it's a fair comparison. As for the 3-Up Heart, I agree it's the same situation, but I don't think that's a solid counter-argument. Although I acknowledge that my proposal could have benefited from more research and that it's not complete, if it passed, then we would have to merge both Heart articles. I mean, we both agree it's the same situation, but neither side can use this as an argument. "It's how we've done it in the past" isn't a good enough argument. {{User:Banon/sig}} 12:05, 31 December 2015 (EST)
-Opposers: so, should we split [[Smash Coin]] into four articles (Bronze Smash Coin, Silver Smash Coin, Gold Smash Coin, Smash Bill)? I'm not implying that your reasons are invalid, but I like to bring up a very close parallel here and see how you'd deal with it. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:03, 31 December 2015 (EST)
-:And what about [[Gold Bar|Gold Bar x 3]]? {{User:Banon/sig}} 13:54, 2 January 2016 (EST)
-:Or the three kinds of [[Extra Life Balloon]]s? {{User:Banon/sig}} 17:27, 2 January 2016 (EST)
-::Gold Bar x3 should probably be split, imo. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 20:12, 2 January 2016 (EST)
-@Wildgoosespeeder: Red and blue coins still have their own articles, though. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 20:12, 2 January 2016 (EST)
-:::I'd also agree with splitting Gold Bar x3. As for the Smash Coins, afaik, they don't have specific official names for each coin type, so there's less impetus to split them (like how every item in [[Food]] isn't named and doesn't deserve a separate article because overkill), but one ''could'' argue to make a specific Smash Bill page. As for Extra Life Balloons, there already ''are'' separate pages for the ''DKCR'' [[Green Balloon|Green]] and [[Blue Balloon]]s, and while they have different functions from Extra Life Balloons, I think it ''would'' be worth noting the original ''DKC'' trilogy's life-granting features of those colours of balloons on those articles as well as the one central page. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 12:48, 4 January 2016 (EST)
-::::Good point about the food. I think, however, we kind of got an actual name for those Smash Coins just as how we have different-colored Electro-Koopas and Chap (blue) and Chap (green); we could technically do Smash Coin (gold), Smash Coin (silver), Smash Coin (bronze), but, in the end, it's overkill to split Smash Coins, lol. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:41, 5 January 2016 (EST)
-:::::Yeah, just because we ''could'' doesn't mean we ''should''. After all, the Chaps and Electro-Koopas are much more different from each other than the coins (different people/species appearing in different specific locations and with different lines/functions, all of which makes it easier to read and write about them while they're separate; looks aside, coins act the same as each other save for the amount of points, and the three articles would be carbon-copies of each other right down to the images - pointless excess). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 13:41, 7 January 2016 (EST)
-== Currency of the Mushroom Kingdom? ==
-Should the article tell that the coin is the currency of the Mushroom Kingdom? Because, they also appear outside of this kingdom. It appear in [[Pi'illo Island]], in [[Sprixie Kingdom]] and in [[Dinosaur Land]] (where they have a different design with Yoshi's face on it).--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  20:38, 12 January 2016 (EST)
-:I'd think it depends on official currency; it's kind of like dollars and euros: dollars are used in countries where euros are the official currency and vice versa. As for should it appear, if there's anywhere that says the coin is official, then yes. Otherwise, it's speculation. {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 10:59, 16 January 2016 (EST)