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== Consider Tubba Blubba and Grubba as Clubbas == | == Consider Tubba Blubba and Grubba as Clubbas == | ||
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I'm aware the Japanese name of Clubba is derived from Spike's which is also the case for these two characters. However, there's also the fact that regular Spikes do not appear in these games with Clubbas being the only kind that do, and Clubbas along with these two characters don't spit spiked balls from their mouths. Although ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' also doesn't have normal Clubbas as enemies, Grubba's name and design does still alude to them. | I'm aware the Japanese name of Clubba is derived from Spike's which is also the case for these two characters. However, there's also the fact that regular Spikes do not appear in these games with Clubbas being the only kind that do, and Clubbas along with these two characters don't spit spiked balls from their mouths. Although ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' also doesn't have normal Clubbas as enemies, Grubba's name and design does still alude to them. | ||
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#{{User|DrippingYellow}} I think what Doc's trying to get at is: Clubbas are called ガボンへい ("Spike Soldiers") in the Japanese version, suggesting that Clubbas might not even be a separate "species" per se; they're just Spikes with clubs. Tubba and Grubba are Spikes without clubs; ergo, not Clubbas. The naming connection in English definitely ought to be acknowledged, though, but that's easily mentioned in the intro, and there's also the "Comparable" section of the infobox for this sort of blurry connection. | #{{User|DrippingYellow}} I think what Doc's trying to get at is: Clubbas are called ガボンへい ("Spike Soldiers") in the Japanese version, suggesting that Clubbas might not even be a separate "species" per se; they're just Spikes with clubs. Tubba and Grubba are Spikes without clubs; ergo, not Clubbas. The naming connection in English definitely ought to be acknowledged, though, but that's easily mentioned in the intro, and there's also the "Comparable" section of the infobox for this sort of blurry connection. | ||
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per DrippingYellow | #{{User|Jdtendo}} Per DrippingYellow | ||
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::It's worth noting that, for what it's worth, ordinary Spikes don't appear at all in the original trio of ''Paper Mario'' games; only Clubbas, and whatever Tubba Blubba and Grubba are. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ::It's worth noting that, for what it's worth, ordinary Spikes don't appear at all in the original trio of ''Paper Mario'' games; only Clubbas, and whatever Tubba Blubba and Grubba are. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ||
:::To expand on Doc's point, nearly all characters in the second trilogy are redesigned to more closely resemble their modern, non-paper appearance. Take Goombas, Spinies, and Hammer Bros, for instance:<br>[[File:GoombaSPM.png|42px]][[File:Goomba PMTOK sprite.png|50px]][[File:SPMSpiny.png|45px]][[File:Spiny PMTOK sprite.png|48px]][[File:Hamma Jamma.png|60px]][[File:Hammer Bro PMTOK sprite.png|65px]]<br>There's a non-zero chance that, if regular Spikes were to appear in the classic ''Paper Mario'' trilogy, they would look ''nearly identical'' to the Clubbas - just without the morningstar-esque club. Likewise, there's a non-zero chance that a Clubba in a modern ''Paper Mario'' title would look the same as a regular Spike. The ''Yoshi's Island'' sprite for Spike that Doc provided includes certain similarities to Clubba, such as the orange lips, dot eyes, and white stomach. And the longer tail and distinct arm shape/position could've been taken from this artwork for Spike in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'':<br>[[File:SMB3 Spike.jpg|150px]]<br>(The lighter green skin and white hair in this particular art are also notable, but those may also be miscolored when this was scanned, since [[:File:Iced Land.jpg|another art]] shows Spike with dark green skin and blue hair, and Spike's standalone artwork in particular looks more bleached than other SMB3 artwork) {{User:Arend/sig}} 18:54, February 8, 2024 (EST) | :::To expand on Doc's point, nearly all characters in the second trilogy are redesigned to more closely resemble their modern, non-paper appearance. Take Goombas, Spinies, and Hammer Bros, for instance:<br>[[File:GoombaSPM.png|42px]][[File:Goomba PMTOK sprite.png|50px]][[File:SPMSpiny.png|45px]][[File:Spiny PMTOK sprite.png|48px]][[File:Hamma Jamma.png|60px]][[File:Hammer Bro PMTOK sprite.png|65px]]<br>There's a non-zero chance that, if regular Spikes were to appear in the classic ''Paper Mario'' trilogy, they would look ''nearly identical'' to the Clubbas - just without the morningstar-esque club. Likewise, there's a non-zero chance that a Clubba in a modern ''Paper Mario'' title would look the same as a regular Spike. The ''Yoshi's Island'' sprite for Spike that Doc provided includes certain similarities to Clubba, such as the orange lips, dot eyes, and white stomach. And the longer tail and distinct arm shape/position could've been taken from this artwork for Spike in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'':<br>[[File:SMB3 Spike.jpg|150px]]<br>(The lighter green skin and white hair in this particular art are also notable, but those may also be miscolored when this was scanned, since [[:File:Iced Land.jpg|another art]] shows Spike with dark green skin and blue hair, and Spike's standalone artwork in particular looks more bleached than other SMB3 artwork) {{User:Arend/sig}} 18:54, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ||
We will say that we have no idea how the Japanese game text--or if indeed, any Japanese text at all--ever overtly compares these two to Spikes, instead of Clubbas. If there was some Japanese guide that expressly called these two Spikes (not Spike Soldiers, ''Spikes''), we'd be fine to retract our vote, but until then... {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | We will say that we have no idea how the Japanese game text--or if indeed, any Japanese text at all--ever overtly compares these two to Spikes, instead of Clubbas. If there was some Japanese guide that expressly called these two Spikes (not Spike Soldiers, ''Spikes''), we'd be fine to retract our vote, but until then... {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ||
