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== Consider Tubba Blubba and Grubba as Clubbas == | == Consider Tubba Blubba and Grubba as Clubbas == | ||
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I'm aware the Japanese name of Clubba is derived from Spike's which is also the case for these two characters. However, there's also the fact that regular Spikes do not appear in these games with Clubbas being the only kind that do, and Clubbas along with these two characters don't spit spiked balls from their mouths. Although ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' also doesn't have normal Clubbas as enemies, Grubba's name and design does still alude to them. | I'm aware the Japanese name of Clubba is derived from Spike's which is also the case for these two characters. However, there's also the fact that regular Spikes do not appear in these games with Clubbas being the only kind that do, and Clubbas along with these two characters don't spit spiked balls from their mouths. Although ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' also doesn't have normal Clubbas as enemies, Grubba's name and design does still alude to them. | ||
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#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - I don't see no clubs, nor are these characters soldiers. They pun simply because they are the only Spikes present (and to be honest, with the slapdash localization jobs, they may have forgotten about what was at the time an obscure SMB3 enemy when naming these - note how SMW2 and YS ''also'' gave Spikes different names.) | #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - I don't see no clubs, nor are these characters soldiers. They pun simply because they are the only Spikes present (and to be honest, with the slapdash localization jobs, they may have forgotten about what was at the time an obscure SMB3 enemy when naming these - note how SMW2 and YS ''also'' gave Spikes different names.) | ||
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} I think what Doc's trying to get at is: Clubbas are called ガボンへい ("Spike Soldiers") in the Japanese version, suggesting that Clubbas might not even be a separate "species" per se; they're just Spikes with clubs. Tubba and Grubba are Spikes without clubs; ergo, not Clubbas. The naming connection in English definitely ought to be acknowledged, though, but that's easily mentioned in the intro, and there's also the "Comparable" section of the infobox for this sort of blurry connection. | #{{User|DrippingYellow}} I think what Doc's trying to get at is: Clubbas are called ガボンへい ("Spike Soldiers") in the Japanese version, suggesting that Clubbas might not even be a separate "species" per se; they're just Spikes with clubs. Tubba and Grubba are Spikes without clubs; ergo, not Clubbas. The naming connection in English definitely ought to be acknowledged, though, but that's easily mentioned in the intro, and there's also the "Comparable" section of the infobox for this sort of blurry connection. | ||
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::You make a good point. I think their body structure resembles Clubbas more, but you're right about me to not compare modern designs with old ones. I have removed my vote. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 07:14, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ::You make a good point. I think their body structure resembles Clubbas more, but you're right about me to not compare modern designs with old ones. I have removed my vote. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 07:14, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ||
::It's worth noting that, for what it's worth, ordinary Spikes don't appear at all in the original trio of ''Paper Mario'' games; only Clubbas, and whatever Tubba Blubba and Grubba are. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ::It's worth noting that, for what it's worth, ordinary Spikes don't appear at all in the original trio of ''Paper Mario'' games; only Clubbas, and whatever Tubba Blubba and Grubba are. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ||
We will say that we have no idea how the Japanese game text--or if indeed, any Japanese text at all--ever overtly compares these two to Spikes, instead of Clubbas. If there was some Japanese guide that expressly called these two Spikes (not Spike Soldiers, ''Spikes''), we'd be fine to retract our vote, but until then... {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | We will say that we have no idea how the Japanese game text--or if indeed, any Japanese text at all--ever overtly compares these two to Spikes, instead of Clubbas. If there was some Japanese guide that expressly called these two Spikes (not Spike Soldiers, ''Spikes''), we'd be fine to retract our vote, but until then... {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:11, February 8, 2024 (EST) | ||
