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==Keep the ''Mario & Luigi'' Clothing pages as list articles== | ==Keep the ''Mario & Luigi'' Clothing pages as list articles== | ||
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Back in 2021, a proposal passed to [[Talk:Clothing#Split everything here|split every single clothing item from the ''Mario & Luigi'' series]]. Since then, nobody has implemented this proposal (probably due to the massive undertaking that it is), and I believe it should be overturned for a number of reasons. | Back in 2021, a proposal passed to [[Talk:Clothing#Split everything here|split every single clothing item from the ''Mario & Luigi'' series]]. Since then, nobody has implemented this proposal (probably due to the massive undertaking that it is), and I believe it should be overturned for a number of reasons. | ||
# '''Each page's content would be extremely small and repetitive.''' Every page would follow the pattern of "'''Name''' is a type of Clothing in ''Mario & Luigi Game''. It is a ''[type of clothing]'' that can be found at ''[store/drop/etc]'' and has ''[stats]''." Unlike the [[Super_Mario_RPG:_Legend_of_the_Seven_Stars#Armor|Armor]] from ''[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG]]'', no article of clothing even gets its own image, instead taking from a set of generic sprites each game. All relevant information can and already is conveyed through the tables from their respective pages. Sure, they are a bit long, but that is the reason these pages are made in the first place. | # '''Each page's content would be extremely small and repetitive.''' Every page would follow the pattern of "'''Name''' is a type of Clothing in ''Mario & Luigi Game''. It is a ''[type of clothing]'' that can be found at ''[store/drop/etc]'' and has ''[stats]''." Unlike the [[Super_Mario_RPG:_Legend_of_the_Seven_Stars#Armor|Armor]] from ''[[Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|Super Mario RPG]]'', no article of clothing even gets its own image, instead taking from a set of generic sprites each game. All relevant information can and already is conveyed through the tables from their respective pages. Sure, they are a bit long, but that is the reason these pages are made in the first place. | ||
# '''There are literally hundreds of those items.''' in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'', there are already over a hundred items between clothing and badges. Count up to ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' and we have well over five hundred of them. Is it really worth it to have over five hundred stub pages of barely three lines of information and not even a unique icon? | # '''There are literally hundreds of those items.''' in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'', there are already over a hundred items between clothing and badges. Count up to ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' and we have well over five hundred of them. Is it really worth it to have over five hundred stub pages of barely three lines of information and not even a unique icon? | ||
#'''Missing information can still be added to the table articles.''' From the original proposal, the only piece of information lacking in the current pages is regarding returning gear between games. That's a vastly low percentage of the total gear in the series. This information can simply be added as notes at the bottom of each page, pointing to the relevant items above, or through some other method that can be discussed at a later point. | #'''Missing information can still be added to the table articles.''' From the original proposal, the only piece of information lacking in the current pages is regarding returning gear between games. That's a vastly low percentage of the total gear in the series. This information can simply be added as notes at the bottom of each page, pointing to the relevant items above, or through some other method that can be discussed at a later point. | ||
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'''Proposer''': {{User|LadySophie17}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|LadySophie17}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': July 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT | ||
====Keep the ''Mario & Luigi'' Clothing pages as list articles by game==== | ====Keep the ''Mario & Luigi'' Clothing pages as list articles by game==== | ||
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Primary choice. | #{{User|LadySophie17}} Primary choice. | ||
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per proposal. | |||
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal. | #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Pseudo}} This is a highly sensible proposal, and the fact that no one has actually stepped up to create these 500+ articles after almost three whole years is quite telling. I don't think that splitting different types of gear into separate articles is useful either, since they already have sections on each respective page and are perfectly navigable as-is. | |||
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Secondary choice. | #{{User|Nintendo101}} Secondary choice. | ||
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | ||
====Split the ''Mario & Luigi'' Clothing list articles by clothing type and game==== | ====Split the ''Mario & Luigi'' Clothing list articles by clothing type and game==== | ||
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#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Personal preference. This strikes a balance of being more organized and having more room for clarification, while not flooding the wiki with a bunch of short articles. (As an aside, we dislike the idea of calling them "stubs" as if it's a bad thing, and also as if [[Pesky Billboard|an article's byte size is directly related to how feature-complete it is]].) | #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Personal preference. This strikes a balance of being more organized and having more room for clarification, while not flooding the wiki with a bunch of short articles. (As an aside, we dislike the idea of calling them "stubs" as if it's a bad thing, and also as if [[Pesky Billboard|an article's byte size is directly related to how feature-complete it is]].) | ||
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all. | #{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all. | ||
# | #{{User|Jdtendo}} Secondary choice. | ||
====Continue with the 2021 split proposal==== | ====Continue with the 2021 split proposal==== | ||
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#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, per the previous proposal, and per consistency with coverage for other RPGs. This would be a big undertaking, sure, but I don't think that alone is enough of a reason to just not do it. | #{{User|Hewer}} Per all, per the previous proposal, and per consistency with coverage for other RPGs. This would be a big undertaking, sure, but I don't think that alone is enough of a reason to just not do it. | ||
#{{User|Dive Rocket Launcher}} There's nothing wrong with having short articles if there's not much to say on them, otherwise we would've done away with the articles for all the MKAGP items a long time ago. Having separate articles gives you much better places to describe the bonus effects of gear that the games themselves are vague about (such as the Iron-Ball Boots/Hammer), describe changes in the remakes, and list names in other languages. I think you're underestimating the amount of gear shared between games; I didn't get around to counting ''all'' the gear shared between DT and PJ, but I did count the boots, hammers, and wear, and out of those, almost 60 of them are in both games, which is a clear ''majority''. Not to mention all the gear shared between the remakes and their originals... | #{{User|Dive Rocket Launcher}} There's nothing wrong with having short articles if there's not much to say on them, otherwise we would've done away with the articles for all the MKAGP items a long time ago. Having separate articles gives you much better places to describe the bonus effects of gear that the games themselves are vague about (such as the Iron-Ball Boots/Hammer), describe changes in the remakes, and list names in other languages. I think you're underestimating the amount of gear shared between games; I didn't get around to counting ''all'' the gear shared between DT and PJ, but I did count the boots, hammers, and wear, and out of those, almost 60 of them are in both games, which is a clear ''majority''. Not to mention all the gear shared between the remakes and their originals... | ||
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It's worth asking oneself if: (A) does being part of a list article inherently mean the subject is of lesser importance than other comparable subjects, and (B) if splitting them up into other articles the best way to provide this information? If these list articles aren't to be removed, then what is in the intrinsic benefit of splitting the individual subjects into their own articles? Is Koopa con Carne's above suggestion inadequate? Why? Just some food for thought. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:47, June 26, 2024 (EDT) | It's worth asking oneself if: (A) does being part of a list article inherently mean the subject is of lesser importance than other comparable subjects, and (B) if splitting them up into other articles the best way to provide this information? If these list articles aren't to be removed, then what is in the intrinsic benefit of splitting the individual subjects into their own articles? Is Koopa con Carne's above suggestion inadequate? Why? Just some food for thought. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:47, June 26, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:I'd say the primary benefit is better coverage of each individual item, especially for recurring items, helping keep all the information about an item and how it changes in remakes/other games in the same place (this extends to the names in other languages too, Power Moons are a bit different since they're only in one game). And again, consistency with other RPGs. [[List of Badges in Paper Mario]] exists, yet we still give each badge its own page as well. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 16:00, June 26, 2024 (EDT) | :I'd say the primary benefit is better coverage of each individual item, especially for recurring items, helping keep all the information about an item and how it changes in remakes/other games in the same place (this extends to the names in other languages too, Power Moons are a bit different since they're only in one game). And again, consistency with other RPGs. [[List of Badges in Paper Mario]] exists, yet we still give each badge its own page as well. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 16:00, June 26, 2024 (EDT) | ||
