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== Merge ''Super Paper Mario'' Moon Cleft content here == | == Merge ''Super Paper Mario'' Moon Cleft content here == | ||
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The above discussion has been sitting there for two years awaiting a solution, so let's finally do something. You can read Doc's opening comment above for a summary of the situation, but the basic issue here is that the enemy in ''SPM'' called "Moon Cleft" in the English version is actually a normal Cleft, but the translators were huffing Cherbil gas and called it a "Moon Cleft" despite the fact that it has nothing to do with the moon, space, or anything cosmic whatsoever. The mistake rose from the ''actual'' [[Moon Cleft]]s in ''TTYD'' using the original Cleft palette, while the normal Clefts were given a grayscale palette to fit with the theme of [[Boggly Woods]]. Apparently they forgot the original game existed during the translation process. Way to do your homework, guys. | The above discussion has been sitting there for two years awaiting a solution, so let's finally do something. You can read Doc's opening comment above for a summary of the situation, but the basic issue here is that the enemy in ''SPM'' called "Moon Cleft" in the English version is actually a normal Cleft, but the translators were huffing Cherbil gas and called it a "Moon Cleft" despite the fact that it has nothing to do with the moon, space, or anything cosmic whatsoever. The mistake rose from the ''actual'' [[Moon Cleft]]s in ''TTYD'' using the original Cleft palette, while the normal Clefts were given a grayscale palette to fit with the theme of [[Boggly Woods]]. Apparently they forgot the original game existed during the translation process. Way to do your homework, guys. | ||
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Which brings us back to ''SPM''. Everything but the English name suggests that these are normal Clefts - their in-game descriptions, the lack of any relation to the moon, them appearing in a rocky desert mountain setting just like in the original ''PM'', and the fact that the Flopside Pit variant is called "[[Dark Cleft]]" and not "Dark Moon Cleft" (not to mention that [[Bald Cleft]]s are also in the game). The rename makes zero sense for anyone who hasn't played ''TTYD'', and even for people who have, it's still a total eye-roller. | Which brings us back to ''SPM''. Everything but the English name suggests that these are normal Clefts - their in-game descriptions, the lack of any relation to the moon, them appearing in a rocky desert mountain setting just like in the original ''PM'', and the fact that the Flopside Pit variant is called "[[Dark Cleft]]" and not "Dark Moon Cleft" (not to mention that [[Bald Cleft]]s are also in the game). The rename makes zero sense for anyone who hasn't played ''TTYD'', and even for people who have, it's still a total eye-roller. | ||
Merging Moon Cleft entirely and splitting the Boggly Woods variant would be inconsistent with how we're handling Pale Piranha and Killer Pakkun, so without re-splitting and merging them respectively, that's out. Making the ''SPM'' Moon Cleft a completely separate article would be making a new entity out of a mistranslation, something we decided not to do when we merged Chestnut King with [[Goomboss]] (and this would be worse since we ''know'' it's a normal Cleft, unlike the Chestnut King where it's ambiguous). Doing nothing would be like moving [[King Boo]]'s ''SM64DS'' content to the [[Big Boo]] article, | Merging Moon Cleft entirely and splitting the Boggly Woods variant would be inconsistent with how we're handling Pale Piranha and Killer Pakkun, so without re-splitting and merging them respectively, that's out. Making the ''SPM'' Moon Cleft a completely separate article would be making a new entity out of a mistranslation, something we decided not to do when we merged Chestnut King with [[Goomboss]] (and this would be worse since we ''know'' it's a normal Cleft, unlike the Chestnut King where it's ambiguous). Doing nothing would be like moving [[King Boo]]'s ''SM64DS'' content to the [[Big Boo]] article since, well, that's what the English localization calls him, right? Therefore, the only logical thing to do here is merge the ''SPM'' Moon Cleft content here and treat it as a normal Cleft like it is in the language-of-origin. | ||
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