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== Re-merge with Pianta == | == Re-merge with Pianta == | ||
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See my comment above. The term "chuckster" is little more than a catchphrase used by the Piantas in that Pianta Village sub-area. The closest any of them come to actually ''defining'' "chuckster" is that one at the beginning, which provides the quote at the top of the article. It fails to actually explain what a chuckster ''is'', but it implies that not all Piantas that throw are "chucksters", whatever that may be. Therefore, us defining "chuckster" as any Pianta that throws is pretty much fanwank. The very idea that Piantas that throw are a "variant" is ''also'' fanwank; throwing is just a thing Piantas do, even if not all of them are ''seen'' doing it. | See my comment above. The term "chuckster" is little more than a catchphrase used by the Piantas in that Pianta Village sub-area. The closest any of them come to actually ''defining'' "chuckster" is that one at the beginning, which provides the quote at the top of the article. It fails to actually explain what a chuckster ''is'', but it implies that not all Piantas that throw are "chucksters", whatever that may be. Therefore, us defining "chuckster" as any Pianta that throws is pretty much fanwank. The very idea that Piantas that throw are a "variant" is ''also'' fanwank; throwing is just a thing Piantas do, even if not all of them are ''seen'' doing it. | ||
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== Rename back to Chuckster == | == Rename back to Chuckster == | ||
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Per the title of this proposal, I would like to rename this article back to Chuckster. I have not provided a merge option as I personally do believe these Piantas do fulfill a specific, identifiable gameplay function that warrants retaining their separate article. We have articles on similar gameplay-specific variants of existing species (with [[Woozy Guy]] being brought up in the previous proposal), and the NPC quoted at the top of the article does provide a fairly solid definition of these specific Piantas - one that will chuck you upward or backward when spoken to. | Per the title of this proposal, I would like to rename this article back to Chuckster. I have not provided a merge option as I personally do believe these Piantas do fulfill a specific, identifiable gameplay function that warrants retaining their separate article. We have articles on similar gameplay-specific variants of existing species (with [[Woozy Guy]] being brought up in the previous proposal), and the NPC quoted at the top of the article does provide a fairly solid definition of these specific Piantas - one that will chuck you upward or backward when spoken to. | ||
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#{{User|Shy Guy on Wheels}} Per all. It's literally the name used in-game, I really don't think it's that complex. | #{{User|Shy Guy on Wheels}} Per all. It's literally the name used in-game, I really don't think it's that complex. | ||
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | ||
====Do nothing==== | ====Do nothing==== | ||
<s>#{{user|7feetunder}} My stance is unchanged. The idea to rename this page to begin with wasn't mine; I always wanted to merge the thing, and I still do. As Hewer said on the last proposal, we don't have a separate article for the Volbonans stuck to walls that fling Mario when he captures them, and this is pretty much the same deal. I have no interest in undoing the rename either - the term "chuckster" may be official, but the definition we're trying to assign to it is still effectively fanon. The counterargument effectively boils down to "it's close enough", which is not convincing me | #{{User|Hewer}} The reason I supported the move was solely because of the most recent name policy, since I believe Pianta Thrower is the most recent name. The proposal doesn't really address this argument, just says that we should prioritise the older guide for some reason. Also, what most fans call it is not a valid argument for moving pages, see [[Spiny Shell (blue)|Blue Shell]]. | ||
<s>#{{user|7feetunder}} My stance is unchanged. The idea to rename this page to begin with wasn't mine; I always wanted to merge the thing, and I still do. As Hewer said on the last proposal, we don't have a separate article for the Volbonans stuck to walls that fling Mario when he captures them, and this is pretty much the same deal. I have no interest in undoing the rename either - the term "chuckster" may be official, but the definition we're trying to assign to it is still effectively fanon. The counterargument effectively boils down to "it's close enough", which is not convincing me.</s> | |||
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With regards to Hewer, the argument actually does fully addresses the subject of your complaint if you read the entire statement. There is an NPC in the game itself (this is the important part) that introduces himself as a "chuckster", followed by a reasonably informative definition of what that term means, followed by a reinforcement of him being a "chuckster", as well as a demonstration of what talking to a chuckster results in (getting thrown somewhere). The term is then used by at least six other NPCS who all refer to themselves as such and perform the same action, with the term never being attributed to an NPC who does not exhibit this behavior. That this reoccurs in the game itself seven times with no false attributions establishes a clear pattern and is reasonable course to accept "chuckster" as the de-facto label attributed to these kinds of NPCs. The Mariowiki Naming Policy lists in-game information as the top priority, with third party guides only occupying the second tier of priority and thus being considered irrelevant if an in-game source for a name can be provided. The references made to the Nintendo Power guide here merely exist to supplement the argument, not to act as its linchpin. That guide is equally as irrelevant as the Mario Party 8 guide, as they both occupy tier 2 in the Naming Policy hierachy. - {{User:Gabumon/sig}} 04:18, September 19, 2023 (EDT) | With regards to Hewer, the argument actually does fully addresses the subject of your complaint if you read the entire statement. There is an NPC in the game itself (this is the important part) that introduces himself as a "chuckster", followed by a reasonably informative definition of what that term means, followed by a reinforcement of him being a "chuckster", as well as a demonstration of what talking to a chuckster results in (getting thrown somewhere). The term is then used by at least six other NPCS who all refer to themselves as such and perform the same action, with the term never being attributed to an NPC who does not exhibit this behavior. That this reoccurs in the game itself seven times with no false attributions establishes a clear pattern and is reasonable course to accept "chuckster" as the de-facto label attributed to these kinds of NPCs. The Mariowiki Naming Policy lists in-game information as the top priority, with third party guides only occupying the second tier of priority and thus being considered irrelevant if an in-game source for a name can be provided. The references made to the Nintendo Power guide here merely exist to supplement the argument, not to act as its linchpin. That guide is equally as irrelevant as the Mario Party 8 guide, as they both occupy tier 2 in the Naming Policy hierachy. - {{User:Gabumon/sig}} 04:18, September 19, 2023 (EDT) | ||
