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== Re-merge with Pianta == | == Re-merge with Pianta == | ||
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See my comment above. The term "chuckster" is little more than a catchphrase used by the Piantas in that Pianta Village sub-area. The closest any of them come to actually ''defining'' "chuckster" is that one at the beginning, which provides the quote at the top of the article. It fails to actually explain what a chuckster ''is'', but it implies that not all Piantas that throw are "chucksters", whatever that may be. Therefore, us defining "chuckster" as any Pianta that throws is pretty much fanwank. The very idea that Piantas that throw are a "variant" is ''also'' fanwank; throwing is just a thing Piantas do, even if not all of them are ''seen'' doing it. | See my comment above. The term "chuckster" is little more than a catchphrase used by the Piantas in that Pianta Village sub-area. The closest any of them come to actually ''defining'' "chuckster" is that one at the beginning, which provides the quote at the top of the article. It fails to actually explain what a chuckster ''is'', but it implies that not all Piantas that throw are "chucksters", whatever that may be. Therefore, us defining "chuckster" as any Pianta that throws is pretty much fanwank. The very idea that Piantas that throw are a "variant" is ''also'' fanwank; throwing is just a thing Piantas do, even if not all of them are ''seen'' doing it. | ||
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== Rename back to Chuckster == | == Rename back to Chuckster == | ||
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Per the title of this proposal, I would like to rename this article back to Chuckster. I have not provided a merge option as I personally do believe these Piantas do fulfill a specific, identifiable gameplay function that warrants retaining their separate article. We have articles on similar gameplay-specific variants of existing species (with [[Woozy Guy]] being brought up in the previous proposal), and the NPC quoted at the top of the article does provide a fairly solid definition of these specific Piantas - one that will chuck you upward or backward when spoken to. | Per the title of this proposal, I would like to rename this article back to Chuckster. I have not provided a merge option as I personally do believe these Piantas do fulfill a specific, identifiable gameplay function that warrants retaining their separate article. We have articles on similar gameplay-specific variants of existing species (with [[Woozy Guy]] being brought up in the previous proposal), and the NPC quoted at the top of the article does provide a fairly solid definition of these specific Piantas - one that will chuck you upward or backward when spoken to. | ||
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#{{User|Hooded Pitohui}} Per proposal. The term gets used directly in-game, it's reasonable to conclude it applies to other Piantas who throw you in the same manner, and it's the most recognizable and likely-to-be-searched name. | #{{User|Hooded Pitohui}} Per proposal. The term gets used directly in-game, it's reasonable to conclude it applies to other Piantas who throw you in the same manner, and it's the most recognizable and likely-to-be-searched name. | ||
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We're a per all voter! ...Seriously though, this is overdue--the in-game name should easily take priority over names only given in guides, just like we do on just about every other article. While mentioning the Pianta Thrower name in the article intro as an alternative name (like we do for other such cases of this) wouldn't be a bad idea, the article should probably just be named Chucksters to make it easy on everyone. ;P | #{{User|Camwoodstock}} We're a per all voter! ...Seriously though, this is overdue--the in-game name should easily take priority over names only given in guides, just like we do on just about every other article. While mentioning the Pianta Thrower name in the article intro as an alternative name (like we do for other such cases of this) wouldn't be a bad idea, the article should probably just be named Chucksters to make it easy on everyone. ;P | ||
====Do nothing==== | ====Do nothing==== | ||
<s>#{{user|7feetunder}} My stance is unchanged. The idea to rename this page to begin with wasn't mine; I always wanted to merge the thing, and I still do. As Hewer said on the last proposal, we don't have a separate article for the Volbonans stuck to walls that fling Mario when he captures them, and this is pretty much the same deal. I have no interest in undoing the rename either - the term "chuckster" may be official, but the definition we're trying to assign to it is still effectively fanon. The counterargument effectively boils down to "it's close enough", which is not convincing me | <s>#{{user|7feetunder}} My stance is unchanged. The idea to rename this page to begin with wasn't mine; I always wanted to merge the thing, and I still do. As Hewer said on the last proposal, we don't have a separate article for the Volbonans stuck to walls that fling Mario when he captures them, and this is pretty much the same deal. I have no interest in undoing the rename either - the term "chuckster" may be official, but the definition we're trying to assign to it is still effectively fanon. The counterargument effectively boils down to "it's close enough", which is not convincing me.</s> | ||
====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
With respect to 7feetunder, the Odyssey fork guys that fling you upwards are missing several charateristics of the Chucksters. "Chucksters" as I will call them here, are in several levels as a gameplay mechanic, announce their title on occasion, and it is mentioned elsewhere in the game that some Piantas are Chucksters, which would imply that Chucksters are a subtype or at least a common subculture of Pianta that involves throwing. Just because some Chucksters don't yell their name 100% of the time before throwing you does not mean that they are not Chucksters. Boo Buddies do not appear differently from other Boos in many games and do not announce that they are Boo Buddies but they are defined differently by their behavior, as a Chuckster should be. There are plenty of sources that name Chucksters as the Piantas that throw you, and even in the unlikely event of a merge, Chucksters should be Chucksters. If the fork guys actually got a distinct definition by both the game itself and other sources, they would actually deserve a page as well in my opinion. --[[User:Fun With Despair|Fun With Despair]] ([[User talk:Fun With Despair|talk]]) 12:39, September 19, 2023 (EDT) | With respect to 7feetunder, the Odyssey fork guys that fling you upwards are missing several charateristics of the Chucksters. "Chucksters" as I will call them here, are in several levels as a gameplay mechanic, announce their title on occasion, and it is mentioned elsewhere in the game that some Piantas are Chucksters, which would imply that Chucksters are a subtype or at least a common subculture of Pianta that involves throwing. Just because some Chucksters don't yell their name 100% of the time before throwing you does not mean that they are not Chucksters. Boo Buddies do not appear differently from other Boos in many games and do not announce that they are Boo Buddies but they are defined differently by their behavior, as a Chuckster should be. There are plenty of sources that name Chucksters as the Piantas that throw you, and even in the unlikely event of a merge, Chucksters should be Chucksters. If the fork guys actually got a distinct definition by both the game itself and other sources, they would actually deserve a page as well in my opinion. --[[User:Fun With Despair|Fun With Despair]] ([[User talk:Fun With Despair|talk]]) 12:39, September 19, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:OK, so I looked up a scan of the NP guide for context, and it seems that it uses "chuckster" specifically to refer to the throwing Piantas in PV5 - in other instances, such as the Delfino Plaza "[[Mario Toss|thrown through the window]]" Shine and [[Petey Piranha Strikes Back]], it just calls them "Piantas." Other guides apparently use the term more broadly, so there's a lot of conflicting sources here. I'll retract my outright opposition, but I'm still kinda iffy on this. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:00, September 19, 2023 (EDT) | :OK, so I looked up a scan of the NP guide for context, and it seems that it uses "chuckster" specifically to refer to the throwing Piantas in PV5 - in other instances, such as the Delfino Plaza "[[Mario Toss|thrown through the window]]" Shine and [[Petey Piranha Strikes Back]], it just calls them "Piantas." Other guides apparently use the term more broadly, so there's a lot of conflicting sources here. I'll retract my outright opposition, but I'm still kinda iffy on this. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:00, September 19, 2023 (EDT) | ||
