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The two articles are too similar to remain separate, as proven by a list of differences above, which is: | The two articles are too similar to remain separate, as proven by a list of differences above, which is: | ||
*The Chancellor has a black mustache, while the Toad Minister has a white one. | *The Chancellor has a black mustache, while the Toad Minister has a white one. | ||
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== Merge to Minister: REDUX == | == Merge to Minister: REDUX == | ||
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These characters not only have the same lang-of-orig name and role between games of which the latter is an ''intentional'' spiritual successor to the former, they have a very similar appearance, the exact same personality, and basically the same speaking patterns. Let's compare some lines: | These characters not only have the same lang-of-orig name and role between games of which the latter is an ''intentional'' spiritual successor to the former, they have a very similar appearance, the exact same personality, and basically the same speaking patterns. Let's compare some lines: | ||
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==Merge with Minister: Take 3== | ==Merge with Minister: Take 3== | ||
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{{ | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-3-1|Merge Chancellor with Toad Minister}} | ||
Giving this a shot. Above, I mentioned that after the second proposal's failure, I'd make another [[Talk:Shaman|Shaman proposal]] for consistency. What changed? [[Talk:Goomboss#Have the Chesnut King on the List of implied characters redirect to this page|Goomboss]]. That merge has been tried several times, but finally succeeded in no small part due to Swallow's suggestion. So, I'd like to apply that reasoning here. I've changed my mind mid-proposal last time, so I've laid out my support and oppose reasons in the comments, which you can refer to if you need a refresher. But to get to the point, the bottom line still stands: whether or not these are literally supposed to be the same individual is not the true takeaway here, but rather, it is that both characters are the same proto-Toadsworth concept. They serve the exact same role, and the mannerisms of both portrayals are extremely similar to Toadsworth, especially in Japanese versions. In the end, covering prototypical Toadsworth in one article is reasonable. Unlike the above proposals, I'm adding a vice-versa option: merge ''Toad Minister'' with ''Chancellor'' instead, so that Chancellor will be the title of the merged article rather than Toad Minister. The main reason for this is that "Chancellor" has more screentime and has dozens of instances where his name shows up in game text, whereas the full name "Toad Minister" only shows up in a single semiobscure line of text (Goombario's Tattle) and "Minister" outweighs it few more times, so the latter was probably the intended name all along. | Giving this a shot. Above, I mentioned that after the second proposal's failure, I'd make another [[Talk:Shaman|Shaman proposal]] for consistency. What changed? [[Talk:Goomboss#Have the Chesnut King on the List of implied characters redirect to this page|Goomboss]]. That merge has been tried several times, but finally succeeded in no small part due to Swallow's suggestion. So, I'd like to apply that reasoning here. I've changed my mind mid-proposal last time, so I've laid out my support and oppose reasons in the comments, which you can refer to if you need a refresher. But to get to the point, the bottom line still stands: whether or not these are literally supposed to be the same individual is not the true takeaway here, but rather, it is that both characters are the same proto-Toadsworth concept. They serve the exact same role, and the mannerisms of both portrayals are extremely similar to Toadsworth, especially in Japanese versions. In the end, covering prototypical Toadsworth in one article is reasonable. Unlike the above proposals, I'm adding a vice-versa option: merge ''Toad Minister'' with ''Chancellor'' instead, so that Chancellor will be the title of the merged article rather than Toad Minister. The main reason for this is that "Chancellor" has more screentime and has dozens of instances where his name shows up in game text, whereas the full name "Toad Minister" only shows up in a single semiobscure line of text (Goombario's Tattle) and "Minister" outweighs it few more times, so the latter was probably the intended name all along. | ||