Editing Talk:Captain Rainbow

== Character articles ==
Should we have articles about characters not from the Mario series? I don't think so, at least not now. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:05, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

:According to [[MarioWiki:Importance Policy]], those characters could have articles as a part of the Tertiary Focus with Captain Rainbow-only info, but yeah, I'm not sure if we should make them right now. I don't really see why we can't, though. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}}

::Just a small question but where did we decide that we would be allowing this game as an article? {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}
:::[[Talk: Birdo#Birdo in Captain Rainbow|Here]]. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:32, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

::::Uh... Cobold? About the having articles about characters not from the Mario series... *glares at Sonic, Roy, Ike, Pikachu, and practically everybody not from Mario in the SSB series* {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
::::There is a difference. The Mario series is quite important in the Smash Bros. series and in Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games. It's not important at all here. Compare this article to the show [[Captain N: The Game Master]] - we have an article on it because of Donkey Kong's role in it, but we don't cover it completely because the Mario part isn't big enough. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:43, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
:::::It,s a bit early to tell how much Mario actually play part in the game. And frankly, I think we're giving way too much focus to SSB, I don't think it's a good example. {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
:::::I agree that these rules are somewhat contradicting, they are quite outdated. When they were written SSB was the only crossover game. With new creations like [[Itadaki Street DS]] and [[Mario & Sonic]], they should have been revised. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:54, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
::::::What do you suggest? Should we just get rid of the character articles for Super smash bros? And put the series itself into "Appearances in other games"? And Tetris DS, and all of those "Mario's-not-important-games"? Because personally, I don't think the Comic and TV series are very genuine Mario either. {{USEr:Garlic Man/sig}}


== Anyone know her? ==

Would anyone happen to know who Tracy is from the newest Captain Rainbow trailer? I've checked and checked but all that comes up on Google is the Dick Tracy game for NES...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-OaeldV8JOA [[User:Mat rix 007|Mat rix 007]] 14:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

== Nawtie Biwdo ==

Hey I thought Birdo was married to Yoshi!! Bad Birdo...she and Yoshi will have to divorce. Yoshi should marry Goombella. Georgedrake Z
:Nobody was married. What does this have to do with the article? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:20, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
::as people have said before, like Yohi's-There could be more than 1 Birdo, like ones that shoot eggs and ones that shoot fire...{{User:DarkLugiaMaster Gir/sig}}

== New Screenshots ==

Some new screenshots recently appeared on the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/任天堂-193719011-キャプテン★レインボー/dp/B001D5DKS0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1217942869&sr=8-1 Japanese Amazon website]. The ''Mario'' series relevant ones are these two shots:<br />
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51azhEF436L._SS400_.jpg<br />
Birdo captured in a cage, as already seen in the second trailer.<br />
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c2i8qtJpL._SS400_.jpg<br />
I don't really know. Seems to be some sort of duel between Captain Rainbow and that shadowy being. I guess that Birdo has a cheering role. Note the many rabbit-like creatures, who seem to appear very often in the game. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 09:30, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

== Story Section ==
The story section is going to be a listing of the roles and wishes of all the (Mario-unrelated) characters instead of a general overview. I think this should be managed different. What would you think about making a list/table of the guest characters with name, game, picture and a short description, including the respective wish, similar to the tables in the ''Smash Bros.'' and [[Assist Trophy]] articles? The roles of ''Mario'' beings (currently only Birdo and Piranha Plant), of course, deserve detailed descriptions. Or would you even rather completely leave out the roles of non-''Mario'' characters? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:10, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
:Not covering non-Mario characters at all is the way the Captain N article handled it. We could have a list of other characters in the game but not describe them further. When we find a site which covers the entire game well enough we could put it into the External Links section for those interested in more. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:06, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
::Right now we know so little about the game.  If it turns out that Birdo only has a very small role, we might only want to cover that.  I just think that right now it is too early to decide. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:15, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
:::Okay, thanks for answer. I wrote general sections about the story and gameplay, moved the Birdo information to an individual section and removed all information about the other characters but the list. BTW, the Japanese site went online: [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/r7cj/index.html]. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 07:49, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

== Video: Saving Birdo (SPOILER) ==

This video shows how Nick/Rainbow saves Birdo by finding the object in her house which proves that she is female (this object might fall under "questionable content", but it is "censored" by a question mark):<br />http://www.wipido.com/video/6vQWLdwGZsEq<br />--[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:17, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


Wow! her house it's Big!!, and beautiful!, Birdo is a rich girl?  {{User:Birdoshi/sig}}

== Birdo Concept Art (and Birdo's Theme) ==

By granting a character's wish, a gallery with some concept art of the character and the respective home will be unlocked. That also goes for Birdo, of course, see [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZzJvGLYkoA&fmt=18 this video] (and of course, she looks weird). Birdo's theme (with "lalala" lyrics) also plays in her gallery. Naturally, I would like to upload the three images here, but where should I place them? Would Beta Elements be the right place? And does anybody know what Birdo does in the third picture? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 11:31, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
:You could make a separate section, called "Birdo's Gallery" or something.  You can describe what it is as you did above and then have the pictures within the section. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:59, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

==other fish==

what are the other fish catchable in the minigame? {{unsigned|Lu-igi board}}
:I don't know, but I guess they are mostly generic fish not relevant for this wiki. If you want to know where the info about the Cheep-Cheeps and Bloopers is from, it was told by the nice person who also subbed all the character trailers. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

== DELETE ==
I really don't think this game should be a major article on the wiki. It only has a few refrences to mario, and should just be put in sightings. {{User:Jaffffey/sig}}
:[[MarioWiki:Proposals]] is discussing this very issue right now.  Go vote! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:45, 8 November 2008 (EST)

== Ossan's role ==
Given Ossan was once identified as Mario in Mario Mania, I feel he is somewhat noteworthy in a ''Super Mario'' perspective. What is exactly his role in this game? I'm curious because I'm wondering if we could create an article for him and discuss his appearance here and maybe ''Golf''. --[[User:TheUndescribableGhost|TheUndescribableGhost]] ([[User talk:TheUndescribableGhost|talk]]) 15:41, August 27, 2023 (EDT)
:I had considered the very thing (my speculatory headcanon is Ossan is P1, Mario is P2, but that's...not for here). In ''Captain Rainbow'', he's become washed-up and lost his talent for golf, while the main gag about him is that he stuffs his golf balls in the front of his pants making them look like... a ball-shaped drooping part of the male anatomy. (Japanese humor be that way sometimes). Anyway, the NES golf games are next on my list of sports game articles to improve, so we may have reason for that level of coverage soon. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:51, August 27, 2023 (EDT)

== Split Ossan ==
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{{proposal outcome|passed|8-2|Split Ossan}}
This is a character that is treated as the golfer from [[Golf]]. Like the DK situation where both DK and Cranky are considered the OG DK, both Mario and Ossan could be considered the OG Golfer in Golf. I created a very rough draft on [[User:Pizza Master/sandbox/other sandbox ideas|my other sandbox]] of what the article would look like. Admittely, a lot would have to be added to the article like their roles in Golf and Captain Rainbow but this is just a rough first draft. Since Captain Rainbow treats the character as separate from [[Mario]] and he looks and acts quite different, I believe an article is warranted for this character.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>
'''Deadline''': March 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Pizza Master}} per.
#{{User|Hewer}} [[MarioWiki:Coverage]] says that "if a subject is unique to [a guest appearance] while also being clearly derived from the ''Super Mario'' franchise, they can receive individual articles", and this guy is derived from Golf which is considered to be a game in the franchise, so sure, this makes sense.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Makes sense to me.
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per all.
#{{User|Salmancer}} Per all, especially Hewer. The question of "Is Ossan a Mario?" is not especially important in the face of our current guest appearance coverage.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per Hewer
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per all

===Oppose===
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Ossan is an interpretation of a character who has already been stated to be Mario in official material (not derived from him any more than Birdo in ''Captain Rainbow'' is derived from the "real" Birdo), but is clearly not meant to be Mario. Ossan from ''Captain Rainbow'' = Ossan from ''Golf'', and Ossan from ''Golf'' = Mario, but Ossan from ''Captain Rainbow'' =/= Mario. This is a little too far removed from Mario for me to be comfortable giving him a whole page - consider that Mario being the main character of ''Golf'' is the only reason we cover that game. I'd almost feel more comfortable giving Ossan from ''Captain Rainbow'' a mention in Mario's history, explain the weirdness surrounding him, and move on.

===Comments===
@Waluigi Time: To be fair, Mario being the main character of Golf isn't the ''only'' reason we cover it - it's also relevant because it's the predecessor of the Mario Golf series. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:52, February 26, 2025 (EST)
: Plus, the very first sketch of Mario calls him Ossan [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:58, February 26, 2025 (EST)

{{@|Waluigi Time}} {{@|Technetium}} Part of my reasoning points out that like how [[Cranky Kong]] is an interpretation of a character who was previously depicted as [[Donkey Kong]], so is Ossan with the golfer originally depicted as [[Mario]]. I might change the sandbox to say in the first appearance box (as P1 golfer) or something like that to clarify but my point still stands. I agree that Ossan from ''Captain Rainbow'' =/= Mario but neither does Cranky Kong from ''Donkey Kong Country'' = [[Donkey Kong]]. For the too far removed point, we have an article on [[Manhandla]], a ''The Legend of Zelda'' boss that has never appeared in a Mario game. The only reason that boss is covered on this wiki is because of this line, "A four-limbed, jumbo-sized Pakkun Flower. Speeds up with each limb lost. Possesses somewhat powerful offensive strength" from the Japanese manual of the [[Famicom]] ''The Legend of Zelda''. Ossan not only appears in what is technically a Mario game ([[Golf]]) but also a game with many small connections to the [[Super Mario (franchise)|Mario series]] ([[Captain Rainbow]]). {{@|PrincessPeachFan}} Additionally, I don't think Nintendo would consider Mario to be an obscure character which is what the characters who need help in ''Captain Rainbow'' are, so clearly it's a different character who is given the same name as Mario's first sketch as an homage rather than hinting at the character being a strange depiction of Mario, especially what with Mario having a cameo in the game on a painting alongside [[Link]]. I'd also point out that a lot of the game's humor is crass and rude which would lead to the name Ossan being used in a derogatory way as the character's name rather than trying to tie them directly to Mario.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 23:16, February 26, 2025 (EST)
:Isn't "ossan" a generic Japanese term for a man? I thought it being used for both Mario and the Captain Rainbow character was just coincidental. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:52, February 27, 2025 (EST)
::Yes, it's a generic Japanese term for a man. It translates to "middle-aged man" and is usually used casually but can be used in a derogatory way. The name being used for both Mario and the Captain Rainbow character is probably coincidental. The name is likely used in the derogatory way in Captain Rainbow given the game's crass humor. It could be an homage like I mentioned but it's probably coincidental like you pointed out. [[User:Pizza Master|Pizza Master]] ([[User talk:Pizza Master|talk]])

per Hewer's comment, would it be possible to have the Ossan article be mainly about the Captain Rainbow appearance, and to consider it a derived subject based on Mario's appearance in Golf? the Ossan in Golf could be considered to be both Mario and Ossan. {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 17:40, March 1, 2025 (EST)

Currently, the only source for the character in Golf being Mario is Mario Mania, an American source. Do any Japanese sources corroborate this? This is relevant because if not, that would make this "Ossan" a character completely unrelated to Mario. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:53, March 1, 2025 (EST)
:It wouldn't unless we stop considering Golf to be a Mario game altogether, which would probably have to be its own discussion. It was [[Talk:Golf#Mario in Golf.|discussed a bit here]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:21, March 2, 2025 (EST)
::Pretty sure at least one manga considers him Mario. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:29, March 2, 2025 (EST)