Editing Talk:Bumper (Super Mario series)

==Rename to {{fake link|Bumper (object)}}==
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{{ProposalOutcome|cancelled}}
I feel that a game identifier is too inconsistent with other naming conventions, so I propose that we move this article to {{fake link|Bumper (object)}} to give the name a better identifier. Just look at [[Gold Ring (item)|this]] [[Gold Ring (New Super Mario Bros. 2)|example]], as [[User talk:Porplemontage#Title identifier discussions|pointed out by Porplemontage]]!

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' July 17, 2017, at 23:59 GMT<br>
'''Date Withdrawn:''' July 5, 2017, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Does this really ''need'' a proposal? [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared_titles|Naming policy]] indicates that it should just be moved without question. There is no reason for this Bumper to be identified by game when the [[Bumper (item)|others]] [[Bumper (character)|aren't]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 15:01, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
:Fortune favors the bold! If you're unsure about doing something, you're free to make a discussion for it (either here or on the forums), but making a proposal is just going to drag it out for two weeks. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:07, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
::Just go ahead and move it, as policy states this is the better identifier. You can cancel the proposal yourself at this time, or I can do it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:23, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

==Having been moved back to ''Super Mario Maker''==
That's a mistake. If anything, the identifier should be "''Super Mario''" or something, as the ''Super Mario Maker'' ones are clearly intended to be based off of the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' ones, just with a less baffling and less underwater-based design, as they act ''exactly'' the same. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:12, 10 December 2017 (EST)

== New Super Mario Bros. ==

Are these really Bumpers? They do function similarly, but is there any indication that they are the same? We could possibly state that they are things that function similarly to them. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:24, March 30, 2019 (EDT)
:P Doors also appear in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and ''Super Mario World'', so why would these be any different? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 11:55, March 30, 2019 (EDT)
::They are definitely based off of one another. We can possibly state that they just function similarly then. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:04, March 30, 2019 (EDT)
:::That's how it used to be like, but that's splitting hairs and kinda dumb. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:50, March 30, 2019 (EDT)

== Are they really the same? ==

In line with the not-really-all-that-recent-but-still-on-my-mind proposal regarding [[Grab Block]]s and [[Talk:Grab_Block#Merge_White_Block_with_Grab_Block_2|their difference]] from [[White Block]]s, is there any satisfactory indication that the bumpers on this page are the same? The ones in NSMB have a different Japanese name, and they all have different visual designs and preferred environments, from underwater cell bubbles to space graveyard meat to inner tubes. If the White Block proposal is any guide, these are not the same object and need different pages (even though they'd probably be stubby and unintuitive). I'm asking largely to gauge the consensus about splits/merges like this, because the NSMB and SMM ones work pretty much identically but aren't confirmed to be the same and have different names, while the meat is even more of a stretch but could still be considered "a bumper". [[User:WilliamFrog|WilliamFrog]] ([[User talk:WilliamFrog|talk]]) 01:19, January 28, 2024 (EST)
:Personally, I think it is fine for objects of the same function to share an article if they are not meaningfully differentiated from each other in primary sources. Having different designs is less important since many objects will be visually tweaked to match the environment they occur in or the general art directions of the games they appear in. (For example, there are a million [[lift]]s.) With the texts currently available online (i.e. not the Shogakukan Guidebook for SMG, which may prove valuable) the bumper and meat from Super Mario Galaxy aren't even mentioned in any of the Japanese source material and that has generally been my reference for differentiating an "object" from "just part of the environment". Is it really beneficially for one or both of them to get their own dedicated articles, or is more helpful for readers to learn about them here, with objects that share the same function? I'm inclined to think the latter. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:24, January 28, 2024 (EST)
::Actually, honestly, it might even be worth lumping [[Bumper (Pinball)]] and [[Bumper (Mario Kart series)]] here. Do they all really need separate articles when they're essentially the same? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 16:27, January 28, 2024 (EST)

== About the NSMB DS bumper ==
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I figured that maybe, just maybe, it has been referred anywhere in [[:File:New Super Mario Bros Player's Guide.png|the Player's Guide]] for this game, but I cannot find a copy on Archive.org. Can anyone else verify for me what they refer the bumpers as? {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:46, March 15, 2025 (EDT)
:They're unmentioned (DS Pocket Guide too) even though it bothered to illustrate them on maps. The closest is on pg.107 of the Player's Guide: "''Beware of sea anemones, which will bounce you right into the Unagi’s maw!''" However, I believe this is referring to another obstacle. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:54, March 15, 2025 (EDT)
::Would that be the pink object in this screenshot?<br>[[File:NSMB World 8-3.png]]<br>It ''does'' look like sea anemone, but it looks a foreground object, and [https://youtu.be/d6pk-meeiOg?t=123 this footage] clearly shows you can swim right through it without any harm. [[World 8-3 (New Super Mario Bros.)|Our wiki page on this course]] also doesn't put any effort to describe these things, so it seems that they WOULD be referring to the bumpers, since they DO have an effect, and said effect allows the scenario as described in that guide page. Did they mistake the bumpers for sea anemone? Did they maybe mistake the sea anemone for obstacles? {{User:Arend/sig}} 17:56, March 15, 2025 (EDT)
:::Huh. You're right. One of the screenshots seems to show Shell Mario about to hit one of those things, but they're just noninteractive background decorations. Looks like this is either referring to the bumpers, or the screenshot supplier didn't coordinate with the blurb writer. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:30, March 15, 2025 (EDT)
::::Since the Player's guide seems to be referring to something unrelated to Bumper, what would be the internal name? Maybe it could direct us to a decent one to use (not sure if we did dug onto it in the past but yeah). --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 00:18, March 19, 2025 (EDT)