Editing Talk:Bull's-Eye Bill

== Rename to Bull's-Eye Bill ==

As stated in the article, a Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Qjqt2K_MM&t=1m30s trailer] by Nintendo calls them "Bull's-Eye Bills". We also recently had a member of the Nintendo Treehouse (the ones in charge of localization) confirm it as the official name during the World Championships: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b88eKjjQbeg&t=17m45s

== Determine how to reorganize this page ==

So, given the above discussion, i'd like to open this proposal. This will determine how to reorganize this page.  While most sources consider Missile Bill being the same as Bullet Bill, just with a different behavior (A Big Bertha/Boss Bass situation obviously), the Zen Hyakka treats them as a separate entity. <span class=explain title="おうふく">往復</span>キラー "Oufuku Killer", which, for future references, does the same with [[Porcupuffer]], which explicitly states that [[User talk:Mister Wu/30th Anniversary Books Related Questions#More encyclopedia names|it]] [[:File:SMW Zen Hyakka Porcupuffer.jpg|is]] a [[Cheep Cheep]], which no guide has done before, besides the Daizukan. The Purple Bullet Bill is キラー(紫) "Killer (murasaki)", which confirms them to be a separate entity. We have [[Guided Bullet Bill]] split, so why not this one? The Yoshi's Island homing ones that disappear after a couple of second are considered as a color variant, which while it did the same for the [[Bouncing Bullet Bill]] and [[Relay Heihō]], the latter two were more obvious to be definitely based off of each other.

== Determine how to reorganize this page, take 2 ==

The discussion above has been going on for a ridiculous amount of time, and no consensus has been reached. In Japanese sources, the NSMBW Missile Bills are the first appearance of Missile Bills, while the ones from SMB3 and SMS are simple color variants there. However, in English sources, they're separate entities.

The first ''Purple Bullet Blues'' is an actual typo of the Versus guide.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 08:16, August 7, 2019 (EDT)

:So two guides distinguish it, with one mistankely calling it Purple Bullet Blue. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:21, August 7, 2019 (EDT)

==Determine how to reorganize SMB3 Bill==

This is something that's been on my mind since [[Talk:Guided Bullet Bill#Merge to Bull's-Eye Bill or Bullet Bill (or both)|this proposal]]. Simply put, with Purple Bullet Bill and Guided Bullet Bill merged back into Bullet Bill, it makes sense to focus on the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' Missile Bill. To recap, "Missile Bill" refers to both the early ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and the current ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' ones, which have different behavior; the former just performs one immediate 180° about-face when passing its target, whereas the latter curves and accurately homes in on its target and takes its time pulling off a full circle rotation. You could say that this is due to the limitation not showing off the its dynamic motion, but when the limitation or lack thereof changes how the player fundamentally interacts with it, at what point do you consider it the same thing? As far as Japanese sources go, it's been referred to as both an unnamed subtype (described as taking a U-turn) and 「{{ruby|往復|おうふく}}キラー」(''Ōfuku Kirā'', Roundtrip Killer) in an older source; the English [https://archive.ph/0bmQD Mario Portal] recently does not mention it. So for this proposal, I'm including two options: the first option is to split off Missile Bill entirely as its own article, with a note at the top of the page stating that it was also the initial name for Bull's-Eye Bill; the second option is to merge the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' content into the main Bullet Bill and turn Missile Bill into a disambiguation page ala Boss Bass / Big Bertha.

One question: if this passes, will Bull's-Eye Bill be considered a variant of Bullet Bill or of Missile Bill? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 09:09, January 8, 2023 (EST)

:Hmm, it's too late to specify that in the proposal, and same goes for what to do with Bull's-Eye Blaster, so these decisions will just have to be informal. If the first option passes, I'd be fine with considering Bull's-Eye Bill as either a variant or relative of Missile Bill. Bull's-Eye Blaster would probably necessarily have to be split as "Turtle Cannon (Missile Bill)" ala Torpedo Base (Targeting Ted). Open to other suggestions, though. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:26, January 8, 2023 (EST)