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I'm pretty much aware that this page has been split for quite a lot longer than i thought, and is only split because of the separate entry it was given on the English guide. The Japanese version doesn't even difference them. ALthough, unlike the two other colors, this one behaves differently instead of being an aesthetic change, it's like the Koopas, but only one has a behavioral difference. The only reason it was kept split as well is because of a separate filename, so did the Red Coin variant of the Bandit. Now that it's merged, let's get to this. | I'm pretty much aware that this page has been split for quite a lot longer than i thought, and is only split because of the separate entry it was given on the English guide. The Japanese version doesn't even difference them. ALthough, unlike the two other colors, this one behaves differently instead of being an aesthetic change, it's like the Koopas, but only one has a behavioral difference. The only reason it was kept split as well is because of a separate filename, so did the Red Coin variant of the Bandit. Now that it's merged, let's get to this. | ||
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:::It only "looks different" because of its palette, and the different behavior is a part of that. Either way, the PM Bandit enemies were clearly intended to be the same as Coin Bandits, and while those were both made by different companies, ''both companies that developed the respective games clearly considered them the same''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:16, March 3, 2020 (EST) | :::It only "looks different" because of its palette, and the different behavior is a part of that. Either way, the PM Bandit enemies were clearly intended to be the same as Coin Bandits, and while those were both made by different companies, ''both companies that developed the respective games clearly considered them the same''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:16, March 3, 2020 (EST) | ||
::::The bubble-spitting Crazies also "only look different" because of their palette. Anyways, since Yoshi's New Island excluded the yellow (the textures are still in the codes, but could be unintentional, since Relay Heyhos also have the "Oh, no, no, no, no", and sad textures, but aren't used in game anyways) ones, wether it was intentional or not, there are now 2, who both behave differently. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:13, March 4, 2020 (EST) | ::::The bubble-spitting Crazies also "only look different" because of their palette. Anyways, since Yoshi's New Island excluded the yellow (the textures are still in the codes, but could be unintentional, since Relay Heyhos also have the "Oh, no, no, no, no", and sad textures, but aren't used in game anyways) ones, wether it was intentional or not, there are now 2, who both behave differently. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:13, March 4, 2020 (EST) | ||
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:::::{{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 11:22, March 4, 2020 (EST) | :::::{{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 11:22, March 4, 2020 (EST) | ||
::::::So? Different color does not mean a split? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:24, March 4, 2020 (EST) | ::::::So? Different color does not mean a split? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:24, March 4, 2020 (EST) | ||
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So, this had been conflicting me for a while, now. So, i'd like to adress a point. As i said in Obsessive Mario Fan's PM on Discord, rather than comparing it to the Bullet Bill, you should rather compare it to the Bandit.<br> Unlike the bullet bill, the variant had not been distincted in Yoshi's New Island. Now, the Bullet Bill variant, looks different, but interacts with walls the same way the yellow ones did in Yoshi's Island. Also, unlike this, and Relay Heiho, neither the bandit nor this have been distincted in Yoshi's New Island, also the bandit had been merged, so if we did so with them, why not do it with this?<br> Also, no, the "color and behavior" thing is invalid for reasons i have went over. Also, i had gotten this idea while Piscatory Pete was being merged, and thought of that, but Doc von Schmeltwick said that we should wait some time after this one had been merged. I had missed this proposal, in which i would have voted support, or even started if i did it on time, but that doesn't matter. | So, this had been conflicting me for a while, now. So, i'd like to adress a point. As i said in Obsessive Mario Fan's PM on Discord, rather than comparing it to the Bullet Bill, you should rather compare it to the Bandit.<br> Unlike the bullet bill, the variant had not been distincted in Yoshi's New Island. Now, the Bullet Bill variant, looks different, but interacts with walls the same way the yellow ones did in Yoshi's Island. Also, unlike this, and Relay Heiho, neither the bandit nor this have been distincted in Yoshi's New Island, also the bandit had been merged, so if we did so with them, why not do it with this?<br> Also, no, the "color and behavior" thing is invalid for reasons i have went over. Also, i had gotten this idea while Piscatory Pete was being merged, and thought of that, but Doc von Schmeltwick said that we should wait some time after this one had been merged. I had missed this proposal, in which i would have voted support, or even started if i did it on time, but that doesn't matter. | ||
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:::Out of curiosity, what does the English Advance guide say?--{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:49, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | :::Out of curiosity, what does the English Advance guide say?--{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:49, November 4, 2021 (EDT) | ||
::::It wasn't easy to procure this information in time, but FanOfYoshi was asking it of me for the proposal. First, let me first review the information that we do know (and this is all openly available via [[Bubble Dayzee#References|our references]]): 1) the [[media:Super Mario Yossy Island Shogakukan P5.jpg|Super Famicom Shogakukan guide]] describes it as a purple color variant, 2) the [[media:SMW2 Guide 126.jpg|Super NES Player's Guide]] gives it the name Bubble Dayzee in the Enemy Index, 3) the [[media:Advance 3 Shogakukan P19.png|''Super Mario Advance 3'' Shogakukan guide]] describes it as a purple color variant, and 4) the [[media:Yoshi New Island Shogakukan P23.jpg|''Yoshi's New Island'' Shogakukan guide]] does the same. For context, these guides will give enemies like red/blue Gargantua Blargg/Nep-Enut and red/green Cheep Cheep/Deep Cheep separate entries, but that was evidently deemed too minor for the bubble-blowing Dayzees. Additionally, we are aware that the Super NES Player's Guide has a number of antiquated names, the ''Super Mario Advance 3'' Shogakukan guide is rewritten/re-edited from the original, and the ''Yoshi's New Island'' Shogakukan guide is noteworthy for actually splitting up several enemies that were previously unnamed variants (e.g. Relay Heihō). So with those things in mind, let's answer the question: does the name Bubble Dayzee even reappear in the ''Super Mario Advance 3'' Player's Guide? It doesn't have an Enemy Index, and it actually adds at least one name (namely Slime), but it looks like the following do not reappear from the Super NES Player's Guide: Aqua Lakitu (referred to as Lakitu), Barney Bubble, Beach Koopa, Big Boo (referred to as Boo), Blow Hard, Blue Boo/Boo Balloon (referred to as balloonlike ghosts), Boo Blah, Boo Buddy (referred to as Boo), Boo Man Bluff, Bouncing Bullet Bill (referred to as Bullet Bill), '''Bubble Dayzee''', Burt (referred to as bouncing enemies), Cactus Jack (referred to as Needlenose), Caged Ghost (referred to as ghost), Coin Bandit (referred to as Bandits), Crazee Dayzee, Dancing Spear Guy (referred to as Spear Guy), Dr. Freezegood (referred to as an enemy), Fang (referred to as Bat), Flying Wiggler, Georgette Jelly, Goomba, Green Glove (referred to as Baseball Boy or Green Glove Baseball Boy), Green Toady (referred to as Solo Toady), Grunt, Hopping Tap-Tap, Hot Lips, Jean de Fillet, Kaboomba, Little Mouser, Little Skull Mouser (referred to as Little Skull Monster), Loch Nestor, Grim Leecher (referred to as Bandit), Mace Penguin, Mock Up (referred to as 1-Up balloons), Mufti Guy, Nipper Spore (referred to as strange seedlings), Piro Dangle (referred to as throbbing fireball enemies), Piscatory Pete, Preying Mantas, Red Blargg (referred to as Blargg), Seedy Sally (referred to as Grinder), Short Fuse (referred to as Grinder), Slugger (referred to as Baseball Boy or Baseball Boy Slugger), Sluggy, Snifit, Spiked Fun Guy (though Potted Spike Fun Guy is mentioned), Spooky, Submarine Nep-Enut (referred to as Gargantua Blargg), Wall Lakitu (referred to as Lakitu), Whirly Fly Guy, and Woozy Guy. This list may give or take since I rushed it, but at any rate, I think I've at least got the important ones out of the way. Draw your own conclusions. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:40, November 14, 2021 (EST) | ::::It wasn't easy to procure this information in time, but FanOfYoshi was asking it of me for the proposal. First, let me first review the information that we do know (and this is all openly available via [[Bubble Dayzee#References|our references]]): 1) the [[media:Super Mario Yossy Island Shogakukan P5.jpg|Super Famicom Shogakukan guide]] describes it as a purple color variant, 2) the [[media:SMW2 Guide 126.jpg|Super NES Player's Guide]] gives it the name Bubble Dayzee in the Enemy Index, 3) the [[media:Advance 3 Shogakukan P19.png|''Super Mario Advance 3'' Shogakukan guide]] describes it as a purple color variant, and 4) the [[media:Yoshi New Island Shogakukan P23.jpg|''Yoshi's New Island'' Shogakukan guide]] does the same. For context, these guides will give enemies like red/blue Gargantua Blargg/Nep-Enut and red/green Cheep Cheep/Deep Cheep separate entries, but that was evidently deemed too minor for the bubble-blowing Dayzees. Additionally, we are aware that the Super NES Player's Guide has a number of antiquated names, the ''Super Mario Advance 3'' Shogakukan guide is rewritten/re-edited from the original, and the ''Yoshi's New Island'' Shogakukan guide is noteworthy for actually splitting up several enemies that were previously unnamed variants (e.g. Relay Heihō). So with those things in mind, let's answer the question: does the name Bubble Dayzee even reappear in the ''Super Mario Advance 3'' Player's Guide? It doesn't have an Enemy Index, and it actually adds at least one name (namely Slime), but it looks like the following do not reappear from the Super NES Player's Guide: Aqua Lakitu (referred to as Lakitu), Barney Bubble, Beach Koopa, Big Boo (referred to as Boo), Blow Hard, Blue Boo/Boo Balloon (referred to as balloonlike ghosts), Boo Blah, Boo Buddy (referred to as Boo), Boo Man Bluff, Bouncing Bullet Bill (referred to as Bullet Bill), '''Bubble Dayzee''', Burt (referred to as bouncing enemies), Cactus Jack (referred to as Needlenose), Caged Ghost (referred to as ghost), Coin Bandit (referred to as Bandits), Crazee Dayzee, Dancing Spear Guy (referred to as Spear Guy), Dr. Freezegood (referred to as an enemy), Fang (referred to as Bat), Flying Wiggler, Georgette Jelly, Goomba, Green Glove (referred to as Baseball Boy or Green Glove Baseball Boy), Green Toady (referred to as Solo Toady), Grunt, Hopping Tap-Tap, Hot Lips, Jean de Fillet, Kaboomba, Little Mouser, Little Skull Mouser (referred to as Little Skull Monster), Loch Nestor, Grim Leecher (referred to as Bandit), Mace Penguin, Mock Up (referred to as 1-Up balloons), Mufti Guy, Nipper Spore (referred to as strange seedlings), Piro Dangle (referred to as throbbing fireball enemies), Piscatory Pete, Preying Mantas, Red Blargg (referred to as Blargg), Seedy Sally (referred to as Grinder), Short Fuse (referred to as Grinder), Slugger (referred to as Baseball Boy or Baseball Boy Slugger), Sluggy, Snifit, Spiked Fun Guy (though Potted Spike Fun Guy is mentioned), Spooky, Submarine Nep-Enut (referred to as Gargantua Blargg), Wall Lakitu (referred to as Lakitu), Whirly Fly Guy, and Woozy Guy. This list may give or take since I rushed it, but at any rate, I think I've at least got the important ones out of the way. Draw your own conclusions. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:40, November 14, 2021 (EST) | ||