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'''''Bowser''' Talk sub-pages: [[Talk:Bowser/Special Move Set]].'' | '''''Bowser''' Talk sub-pages: [[Talk:Bowser/Special Move Set]].'' | ||
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That picture is not from ''Super Mario Sunshine''. [[User:Bspald95|Bspald95]] 11:06, 15 July 2012 (EDT) | That picture is not from ''Super Mario Sunshine''. [[User:Bspald95|Bspald95]] 11:06, 15 July 2012 (EDT) | ||
==Wreck it Ralph Movie Appearance== | ==Wreck it Ralph Movie Appearance== | ||
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: What YoshiKong said, plus the other standard is that the characters in question would be facing the reader. So I doubt the NSMBU picture of Bowser would <i>really</i> fit criteria for the infobox itself to be changed (provided that we find a better "source version" of said picture). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 13:14, 17 December 2012 (EST) | : What YoshiKong said, plus the other standard is that the characters in question would be facing the reader. So I doubt the NSMBU picture of Bowser would <i>really</i> fit criteria for the infobox itself to be changed (provided that we find a better "source version" of said picture). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 13:14, 17 December 2012 (EST) | ||
::I've never heard of a "facing the reader" requirement. Really, the only policy I know of is on [[Template:Character infobox]] (which the admins decided to write to avoid unnecessary TPPs about which artwork to use): use the latest artwork unless there's something atypical about it (i.e. if the character is holding sports equipment or kart racing ir whatever), in which case the second-most-recent image can be used (or older, if there were multiple unsuitable spin-off artwork). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 09:39, 18 December 2012 (EST) | ::I've never heard of a "facing the reader" requirement. Really, the only policy I know of is on [[Template:Character-infobox]] (which the admins decided to write to avoid unnecessary TPPs about which artwork to use): use the latest artwork unless there's something atypical about it (i.e. if the character is holding sports equipment or kart racing ir whatever), in which case the second-most-recent image can be used (or older, if there were multiple unsuitable spin-off artwork). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 09:39, 18 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::Oh yes! Please see Wikipedia! It uses artwork from "New Super Mario Bros. 2"! Better to use NSMB2 rather than NSMBU! Yes or No? If Yes,I choose NSMBU,if No, I choose NSMB2!--[[Special:Contributions/114.79.19.202|114.79.19.202]] 01:24, 19 December 2012 (EST) | :::Oh yes! Please see Wikipedia! It uses artwork from "New Super Mario Bros. 2"! Better to use NSMB2 rather than NSMBU! Yes or No? If Yes,I choose NSMBU,if No, I choose NSMB2!--[[Special:Contributions/114.79.19.202|114.79.19.202]] 01:24, 19 December 2012 (EST) | ||
::::What user you talking about? I don't know what user is,YoshiKong. If you don't want to answer my question,i better to replace it with NSMB2 instead of NSMBU.--[[Special:Contributions/114.79.19.202|114.79.19.202]] 01:33, 19 December 2012 (EST) | ::::What user you talking about? I don't know what user is,YoshiKong. If you don't want to answer my question,i better to replace it with NSMB2 instead of NSMBU.--[[Special:Contributions/114.79.19.202|114.79.19.202]] 01:33, 19 December 2012 (EST) | ||
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::::::Hello again.If you don't want to answer my questions from above we choose answers from below.--[[Special:Contributions/114.79.18.33|114.79.18.33]] 03:42, 19 December 2012 (EST) | ::::::Hello again.If you don't want to answer my questions from above we choose answers from below.--[[Special:Contributions/114.79.18.33|114.79.18.33]] 03:42, 19 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::::::This is Differences: | :::::::This is Differences: | ||
<gallery> | <center><gallery> | ||
File:FortuneStBowser.png|<center>Fortune Street | File:FortuneStBowser.png|<center>Fortune Street | ||
File:Nsmb2_bowser.png|<center>[[New Super Mario Bros. 2]] | File:Nsmb2_bowser.png|<center>[[New Super Mario Bros. 2]] | ||
File:BowserNSMBU.png|<center>New Super Mario Bros. U | File:BowserNSMBU.png|<center>New Super Mario Bros. U | ||
</gallery> | </gallery></center> | ||
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Choosing an image for the infobox on the [[Bowser]] article. | Choosing an image for the infobox on the [[Bowser]] article. | ||
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==Narrow quote== | ==Narrow quote== | ||
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{{ | {{ProposalOutcome|vetoed|This is ''way'' to minor for a TPP: just use {{tem|talk}} and discuss it without the overkill of a formal vote.}} | ||
The "Count Bleck, Floro Sapiens, whatever!" part of the quote is really unnessecary, so let's remove it. | The "Count Bleck, Floro Sapiens, whatever!" part of the quote is really unnessecary, so let's remove it. | ||
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First of all: Wreck-it-Ralph is not canon (Heck, Bowser never appeared in arcades) and second of all, New Super Mario Bros. U came out later (I think) | First of all: Wreck-it-Ralph is not canon (Heck, Bowser never appeared in arcades) and second of all, New Super Mario Bros. U came out later (I think) | ||
Also, this is gonna get hated on, but am I the only one who thinks Wreck-it-Ralph is overrated? | Also, this is gonna get hated on, but am I the only one who thinks Wreck-it-Ralph is overrated? | ||
{{unsigned| | {{unsigned|82.171.69.97}} | ||
==Outcast== | ==Outcast== | ||
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:::I don't accept it either, but I follow the wiki rules simply because it is more logical and not reflecting my personal opinion. Nintendo has never stated that Hotel Mario is unofficial. I don't think the Mario comics and cartoons are developed with extensive from involvement from Nintendo (Nintendo is a game company first), nor are they mentioned from any other medium. You can't compare NBA Street V3 either because the characters are guest appearances while Hotel Mario is a ''Mario'' game (takes place in the Mario universe). Nintendo has never established an official canon; as a result, we cover everything from the same timeline and give equal treatment until Nintendo has a say on it. Right now, we're just in the gray zone, so we should just assume the affirmative and cover everything as we do now. {{User:Mario/sig}} 00:29, 20 January 2014 (EST) | :::I don't accept it either, but I follow the wiki rules simply because it is more logical and not reflecting my personal opinion. Nintendo has never stated that Hotel Mario is unofficial. I don't think the Mario comics and cartoons are developed with extensive from involvement from Nintendo (Nintendo is a game company first), nor are they mentioned from any other medium. You can't compare NBA Street V3 either because the characters are guest appearances while Hotel Mario is a ''Mario'' game (takes place in the Mario universe). Nintendo has never established an official canon; as a result, we cover everything from the same timeline and give equal treatment until Nintendo has a say on it. Right now, we're just in the gray zone, so we should just assume the affirmative and cover everything as we do now. {{User:Mario/sig}} 00:29, 20 January 2014 (EST) | ||
::Perhaps everyone has his own canon! Some believe Mario is in love with Peach while some (Including me) believe they're just friends, some say (Including me) that Paper Mario is a separate canon! My point is that due to the lack of actual canon we can freely interpretate many things! I do not consider Hotel Mario (TOAST) canon due to the personality difference to most characters! I do not consider the show canon due to the whole New York City backstory which I'm no fan of! I guess you can sorta mold your own canon from preexisting games! {{unsigned| | ::Perhaps everyone has his own canon! Some believe Mario is in love with Peach while some (Including me) believe they're just friends, some say (Including me) that Paper Mario is a separate canon! My point is that due to the lack of actual canon we can freely interpretate many things! I do not consider Hotel Mario (TOAST) canon due to the personality difference to most characters! I do not consider the show canon due to the whole New York City backstory which I'm no fan of! I guess you can sorta mold your own canon from preexisting games! {{unsigned|82.171.69.97}} | ||
I'm thinking we should add Senior to his name.--[[User:Ladies-Man1|Ladies-Man1]] ([[User talk:Ladies-Man1|talk]]) 10:04, 7 September 2014 (EDT) | I'm thinking we should add Senior to his name.--[[User:Ladies-Man1|Ladies-Man1]] ([[User talk:Ladies-Man1|talk]]) 10:04, 7 September 2014 (EDT) | ||
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Here the blue color of the skin is clear, while the red eyes, yellow hair and black eyebrows come from the depiction of Bowser in the ''Super Mario Bros.'' box artwork.<br /> | Here the blue color of the skin is clear, while the red eyes, yellow hair and black eyebrows come from the depiction of Bowser in the ''Super Mario Bros.'' box artwork.<br /> | ||
It is important to note that in the cover art for SMB: TLL the following artwork of Bowser appears:<br /> | It is important to note that in the cover art for SMB: TLL the following artwork of Bowser appears:<br /> | ||
[[File:BowserSMB1. | [[File:BowserSMB1.PNG|200px]]<br /> | ||
But in the gallery we also have two other artworks of Bowser that we have to identify and that so far have been associated to SMB:TLL:<br /> | But in the gallery we also have two other artworks of Bowser that we have to identify and that so far have been associated to SMB:TLL:<br /> | ||
[[File: | [[File:Lostlevelbowser.png|200px]]<br /> | ||
This first one is the cover art for SMB: TLL using the Super Mario World colors for hairs and eyes. While the red eyes are in the cover art for SMB and the red hair and eyebrows can be seen already in ''Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!'' - released in 1986 -, in that movie, in the cover art for ''Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels'' and in almost all artworks for ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' the blue eyes can clearly be seen (in two of the artworks for ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', actually, the original yellow hair and black eyebrows remain, too). For this reason I suspect that this image is actually a recolored and corrected artwork.<br /> | This first one is the cover art for SMB: TLL using the Super Mario World colors for hairs and eyes. While the red eyes are in the cover art for SMB and the red hair and eyebrows can be seen already in ''Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!'' - released in 1986 -, in that movie, in the cover art for ''Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels'' and in almost all artworks for ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' the blue eyes can clearly be seen (in two of the artworks for ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', actually, the original yellow hair and black eyebrows remain, too). For this reason I suspect that this image is actually a recolored and corrected artwork.<br /> | ||
[[File: | [[File:Smbll bowser.png|200px]]<br /> | ||
This second image is actually present in the enemies section of ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' in the ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'', complete with the red eyes(keep in mind that the artworks in the enemies' sections of the Encyclopedia are recolored, with Iggy even having the color of the rings in the eyes inverted in the SMB3 section!). It is therefore possible that this is a recolored ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' artwork, since we also have the version of the same artwork with blue eyes and since in pretty much all other artworks for that game Bowser has blue eyes:<br /> | This second image is actually present in the enemies section of ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' in the ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'', complete with the red eyes(keep in mind that the artworks in the enemies' sections of the Encyclopedia are recolored, with Iggy even having the color of the rings in the eyes inverted in the SMB3 section!). It is therefore possible that this is a recolored ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' artwork, since we also have the version of the same artwork with blue eyes and since in pretty much all other artworks for that game Bowser has blue eyes:<br /> | ||
[[File:SMB_Pinball-Bowser_Playfield_Detail.jpg|200px]]<br /> | [[File:SMB_Pinball-Bowser_Playfield_Detail.jpg|200px]]<br /> | ||
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== Make an article for Giant Bowser of Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story == | == Make an article for Giant Bowser of Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story == | ||
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Before you sigh and shake your head, I know the Giant Bowser article was merged and why. However, I have a proposition. One of the main reasons Giant Bowser was merged was a) Unofficially named, and b) Giant Bowser appears several different times under different circumstances and reasons. However, I'm wondering if an article for {{fake link|Giant Bowser}} should be recreated, ''but exclusively for Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story''. My reasoning is a) We have an article for [[Giant Luigi]], and b) he is called Giant Bowser in-game (I think). People may say "Why don't we make an article for every version of Giant Bowser?" The answer is this is probably the only time he is officially named. That and he needs more description than the other versions, namely how the state of gigantism is brought on ([[Rump Command]]) and Giant Bowser's attack options (that's what a lot of Giant Luigi's article is). Normally I wouldn't suggest this, but considering Giant Luigi gets an article, it just didn't seem right that Giant Bowser didn't. Giant Bowser is jealous of Giant Green 'Stache! | Before you sigh and shake your head, I know the Giant Bowser article was merged and why. However, I have a proposition. One of the main reasons Giant Bowser was merged was a) Unofficially named, and b) Giant Bowser appears several different times under different circumstances and reasons. However, I'm wondering if an article for {{fake link|Giant Bowser}} should be recreated, ''but exclusively for Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story''. My reasoning is a) We have an article for [[Giant Luigi]], and b) he is called Giant Bowser in-game (I think). People may say "Why don't we make an article for every version of Giant Bowser?" The answer is this is probably the only time he is officially named. That and he needs more description than the other versions, namely how the state of gigantism is brought on ([[Rump Command]]) and Giant Bowser's attack options (that's what a lot of Giant Luigi's article is). Normally I wouldn't suggest this, but considering Giant Luigi gets an article, it just didn't seem right that Giant Bowser didn't. Giant Bowser is jealous of Giant Green 'Stache! | ||
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OK, with 7 supporters and 0 opposition, I will recreate the Giant Bowser article.<br> | OK, with 7 supporters and 0 opposition, I will recreate the Giant Bowser article.<br> | ||
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:24, 4 November 2016 (EDT) | {{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:24, 4 November 2016 (EDT) | ||
:Be sure to say what the outcome is below the | :Be sure to say what the outcome is below the SettledTPP template. Below is an example from the second proposal of splitting young E. Gadd from his adult self. | ||
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:{{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 10:31, 4 November 2016 (EDT) | :{{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 10:31, 4 November 2016 (EDT) | ||
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This is insane! There's no way he has this much HP in ''Paper Jam''. Does this mean that you can't KO him until he becomes Shiny RoboBowser? What happens if you hack to do so? Or does this mean that you have to deal 9999 damage before he becomes Shiny RoboBowser? I just want to know one thing: is this correct??? | This is insane! There's no way he has this much HP in ''Paper Jam''. Does this mean that you can't KO him until he becomes Shiny RoboBowser? What happens if you hack to do so? Or does this mean that you have to deal 9999 damage before he becomes Shiny RoboBowser? I just want to know one thing: is this correct??? | ||
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:"''[...]it is not possible to bring their health down all the way. After enough turns have passed, the two Bowsers decide to stop holding back, and with the assistance of hundreds (if not thousands) of Shiny paper enemies, they fuse together into Shiny RoboBowser, the game's real final boss.''" Yep. Not sure what would happen if you do manage to bring their health down all the way, likely a game crash if other boss fights with a scripted event are any indication. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 09:08, 16 November 2017 (EST) | :"''[...]it is not possible to bring their health down all the way. After enough turns have passed, the two Bowsers decide to stop holding back, and with the assistance of hundreds (if not thousands) of Shiny paper enemies, they fuse together into Shiny RoboBowser, the game's real final boss.''" Yep. Not sure what would happen if you do manage to bring their health down all the way, likely a game crash if other boss fights with a scripted event are any indication. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 09:08, 16 November 2017 (EST) | ||
::I'm not so sure about being impossible without hacking. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgMbxqlZRgs This] video shows Luigi dealing over 14000 damage to Shiny RoboBowser using Balloon Blast, Level 100 characters, and max stats due to beans...without hacking. The only problem is that Mario went first and triggered the transformation before Luigi could attack. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 16:19, 16 November 2017 (EST) | ::I'm not so sure about being impossible without hacking. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgMbxqlZRgs This] video shows Luigi dealing over 14000 damage to Shiny RoboBowser using Balloon Blast, Level 100 characters, and max stats due to beans...without hacking. The only problem is that Mario went first and triggered the transformation before Luigi could attack. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 16:19, 16 November 2017 (EST) | ||
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:I think you'd better compare the grumbles to the gibberish of the various characters in the game: it is a replacement for various lines since full dubbing would require much more work (and a new recording session for each game, something which doesn't tend to happen in spin-off games).--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:06, 30 December 2017 (EST) | :I think you'd better compare the grumbles to the gibberish of the various characters in the game: it is a replacement for various lines since full dubbing would require much more work (and a new recording session for each game, something which doesn't tend to happen in spin-off games).--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:06, 30 December 2017 (EST) | ||
::Yeah. He says things clearly in some games (Bowser's Inside Story notably).--[[User:Thatguy62|Thatguy62]] ([[User talk:Thatguy62|talk]]) 19:15, 30 December 2017 (EST) | ::Yeah. He says things clearly in some games (Bowser's Inside Story notably).--[[User:Thatguy62|Thatguy62]] ([[User talk:Thatguy62|talk]]) 19:15, 30 December 2017 (EST) | ||