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==Move to Fake Bowser (Blue)== | ==Move to Fake Bowser (Blue)== | ||
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This is a little similar to my [[Talk:Moneybag (enemy)#Move to Moneybag (enemy)|Moneybag proposal]], but this time I'm even more sure since we're dealing with completely different names that couldn't just be typos. It seems we have two choices for an English name for this guy: "Bowser's Brother" from a mention in an old 90s Nintendo Power guide, and "Fake Bowser (Blue)" from the significantly more recent English Mario Portal. (He was also called "A Bowser Impostor?!" in the title of a loading screen tip from Smash, but that's probably just a description rather than a name, considering all the tip titles use Title Case capitalisation, and Mario Portal's more recent either way.) So why are we using "Bowser's Brother" over "Fake Bowser (Blue)"? Not only does the current name lose in both recency and [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable sources for naming|source priority]], it's also a bit weird to use since it suggests for certain that he is the brother of Bowser, when we have official sources both outright saying that he is and outright saying that he isn't. And Mario Portal potentially citing the wiki shouldn't be an issue at all this time, since I don't think we ever called him "Fake Bowser (Blue)" - our previous name for him was "Blue Bowser", an unofficial translation of a Japanese name. | This is a little similar to my [[Talk:Moneybag (enemy)#Move to Moneybag (enemy)|Moneybag proposal]], but this time I'm even more sure since we're dealing with completely different names that couldn't just be typos. It seems we have two choices for an English name for this guy: "Bowser's Brother" from a mention in an old 90s Nintendo Power guide, and "Fake Bowser (Blue)" from the significantly more recent English Mario Portal. (He was also called "A Bowser Impostor?!" in the title of a loading screen tip from Smash, but that's probably just a description rather than a name, considering all the tip titles use Title Case capitalisation, and Mario Portal's more recent either way.) So why are we using "Bowser's Brother" over "Fake Bowser (Blue)"? Not only does the current name lose in both recency and [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable sources for naming|source priority]], it's also a bit weird to use since it suggests for certain that he is the brother of Bowser, when we have official sources both outright saying that he is and outright saying that he isn't. And Mario Portal potentially citing the wiki shouldn't be an issue at all this time, since I don't think we ever called him "Fake Bowser (Blue)" - our previous name for him was "Blue Bowser", an unofficial translation of a Japanese name. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Hewer}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Hewer}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': July 7, 2024, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Support=== | ===Support=== | ||
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#{{User|Shadow2}} Yes, YES, this has driven me nuts ever since I first saw it. | #{{User|Shadow2}} Yes, YES, this has driven me nuts ever since I first saw it. | ||
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal | #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal | ||
<s>{{User|Nintendo101}} Per Hewer below. Unlike something like "[[sewer rat]]", I do think this is a proper localization. For additional clarity on my initial trepidation, in my mind, a [[fake Bowser]] is specifically a smaller enemy disguised as Bowser. It was unclear to me if that is what this blue lookalike is supposed to conceptually be understood to be, and I was open to the possibility that he is another member of Bowser's species, not an enemy in disguise. However, he is revealed to be a fake in-game, in the last level he occurs in, and I agree recent Japanese media like Smash Wii U more often promotes him as one. (I don't understand the article as currently framed. It suggests the Japanese tip is more neutral about his identity, but the title for the tip is "Fake Bowser!?") And regardless, "Fake Bowser (Blue)" is probably more accurate than "Bowser's Brother".</s> | <s>{{User|Nintendo101}} Per Hewer below. Unlike something like "[[sewer rat]]", I do think this is a proper localization. For additional clarity on my initial trepidation, in my mind, a [[fake Bowser]] is specifically a smaller enemy disguised as Bowser. It was unclear to me if that is what this blue lookalike is supposed to conceptually be understood to be, and I was open to the possibility that he is another member of Bowser's species, not an enemy in disguise. However, he is revealed to be a fake in-game, in the last level he occurs in, and I agree recent Japanese media like Smash Wii U more often promotes him as one. (I don't understand the article as currently framed. It suggests the Japanese tip is more neutral about his identity, but the title for the tip is "Fake Bowser!?") And regardless, "Fake Bowser (Blue)" is probably more accurate than "Bowser's Brother".</s> | ||
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#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per all, especially Mister Wu and my original issues with "Fake Bowser (Blue)". | #{{User|Nintendo101}} Per all, especially Mister Wu and my original issues with "Fake Bowser (Blue)". | ||
#{{User|Pseudo}} Per LinkTheLefty and Mister Wu. | #{{User|Pseudo}} Per LinkTheLefty and Mister Wu. | ||
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@Camwoodstock: "Bowser (Blue)" would make no sense under our current rules because it's not an official English name, and again, whether he's a fake or not is very inconsistent, just like whether he's a brother. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:02, July 5, 2024 (EDT) | @Camwoodstock: "Bowser (Blue)" would make no sense under our current rules because it's not an official English name, and again, whether he's a fake or not is very inconsistent, just like whether he's a brother. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:02, July 5, 2024 (EDT) | ||