Editing Talk:Border Bro

==Sumo Bros.?==

These guys always made me think more of [[Sumo Bro]]s. than Hammer Bros. with their goofy hippo-faces, but going beyond that, the Japanese name uses "Kyodai" rather than "Bros.", which combined with the first word starting with a K-sound makes them seem more like they're based on Sumo Bros. - called "K.K." in Japanese, which purportedly stands for "Kaminari Kyodai" (though as far as I am aware, that was only explicitly confirmed as of ''The Origami King'' many years afterward). As these are "Kokkyō Kyodai," which can also be shortened to "K.K." rather than using English words like most Hammer Bros. do in Japanese, and look more like Sumo Bros. anyway, should these be reclassified as those via those context clues? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:01, September 11, 2024 (EDT)

:They have the same helmets as the rest of the Bros. family, so probably not. They're more likely to be based on [https://tcrf.net/Proto:Mario_%26_Luigi:_Superstar_Saga/Unused_Enemies#Beanified_Hammer_Bro. this unused green-colored Hammer Bro enemy], I'd say. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:35, September 12, 2024 (EDT)

:::::"And please note, those designs were kept in the remake, unlike the Hammer Bros. and certain BeanBean entities like the Troopeas." I'm not sure what this argument is supposed to mean. Yes, enemies with more unique designs generally kept their designs, unlike those that are regular Mario enemies or look a lot like the regular Mario enemies they're based on. That includes Limbo Bro, but it also includes Yo Bro, Spiky Snifit, ~~Sworm~~, Mecha-Blooper, the list goes on. I don't see much reason to think Limbo Bro was based on Sledge Bro specifically, and even if it was, that doesn't preclude the possiblity that Sledge Bros may have originally been intended to appear, and even if it did, that wasn't even my main point, hence the small text. As for the gigaleak, isn't the evidence just the fact Sledge Bros were cut from the game? That's not nothing, but it's not very convincing as evidence, I think. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:14, September 12, 2024 (EDT)

::::::Moreso their appearing in revisions once Sledge Bro was gone (if I'm remembering right), but the similar roles, them coming in pairs, and it being discovered that the English names were already being decided in tandem with the Japanese ones in development (Also TOK lists them next to Sledge Bros.) But back to the MLSS thing, many of the "variant" enemies did get -mild- redesigns to match the current base ones; Yo Bro got taller and with a more normal-looking beak, Beanerang and Chomp Bros got shoes (unlike Limbo Bro and these two, which still lack shoes - much like Sledge Bro, though unlike typical Sumo Bro), Sniper Bill matches normal Bill now, all the Snifits were given black masks, Gunner Guy is a more standard red rather than camou, Ice Snifits and Chuck Guys were given more standard Shy Guy body shape, the "presenter" Moles look like normal Monty Moles rather than Mega Moles, the list goes on. The Border Bros. keeping their "what the heck are these martians supposed to be" design indicates they weren't meant to just be Hammer Bros. - though admittedly, they also look like kappas. (Also, it's my fault the wiki no longer treats Sumo Bros. as Hammer Bros., that was before TOK and the gigaleak.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:28, September 12, 2024 (EDT)