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::::Considering the gigaleak, there's evidence that Hammer Bro and Sledge Bro "became" AFH Bro and Sumo Bro in the final product of SMW. And yes, there's a lion's share of off-model-ness, though I'm starting to think [[Limbo Bro]] was the one inspired by Sledge Bro in MLSS (see the discussion I started on ''that'' talk page) while Hammer Bro looking like a hunchbacked vulture simply gave an unintentional resemblance to Sledge Bro. And please note, those designs were kept in the remake, unlike the Hammer Bros. and certain BeanBean entities like the Troopeas. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:41, September 12, 2024 (EDT) | ::::Considering the gigaleak, there's evidence that Hammer Bro and Sledge Bro "became" AFH Bro and Sumo Bro in the final product of SMW. And yes, there's a lion's share of off-model-ness, though I'm starting to think [[Limbo Bro]] was the one inspired by Sledge Bro in MLSS (see the discussion I started on ''that'' talk page) while Hammer Bro looking like a hunchbacked vulture simply gave an unintentional resemblance to Sledge Bro. And please note, those designs were kept in the remake, unlike the Hammer Bros. and certain BeanBean entities like the Troopeas. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:41, September 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::::"And please note, those designs were kept in the remake, unlike the Hammer Bros. and certain BeanBean entities like the Troopeas." I'm not sure what this argument is supposed to mean. Yes, enemies with more unique designs generally kept their designs, unlike those that are regular Mario enemies or look a lot like the regular Mario enemies they're based on. That includes Limbo Bro, but it also includes Yo Bro, Spiky Snifit, ~~Sworm~~, Mecha-Blooper, the list goes on. I don't see much reason to think Limbo Bro was based on Sledge Bro specifically, and even if it was, that doesn't preclude the possiblity that Sledge Bros may have originally been intended to appear, and even if it did, that wasn't even my main point, hence the small text. As for the gigaleak, isn't the evidence just the fact Sledge Bros were cut from the game? That's not nothing, but it's not very convincing as evidence, I think. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:14, September 12, 2024 (EDT) | :::::"And please note, those designs were kept in the remake, unlike the Hammer Bros. and certain BeanBean entities like the Troopeas." I'm not sure what this argument is supposed to mean. Yes, enemies with more unique designs generally kept their designs, unlike those that are regular Mario enemies or look a lot like the regular Mario enemies they're based on. That includes Limbo Bro, but it also includes Yo Bro, Spiky Snifit, ~~Sworm~~, Mecha-Blooper, the list goes on. I don't see much reason to think Limbo Bro was based on Sledge Bro specifically, and even if it was, that doesn't preclude the possiblity that Sledge Bros may have originally been intended to appear, and even if it did, that wasn't even my main point, hence the small text. As for the gigaleak, isn't the evidence just the fact Sledge Bros were cut from the game? That's not nothing, but it's not very convincing as evidence, I think. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:14, September 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::::::Moreso their appearing in revisions once Sledge Bro was gone (if I'm remembering right), but the similar roles, them coming in pairs, and it being discovered that the English names were already being decided in tandem with the Japanese ones in development (Also TOK lists them next to Sledge Bros.) But back to the MLSS thing, many of the "variant" enemies did get -mild- redesigns to match the current base ones; Yo Bro got taller and with a more normal-looking beak, Beanerang and Chomp Bros got shoes (unlike Limbo Bro | ::::::Moreso their appearing in revisions once Sledge Bro was gone (if I'm remembering right), but the similar roles, them coming in pairs, and it being discovered that the English names were already being decided in tandem with the Japanese ones in development (Also TOK lists them next to Sledge Bros.) But back to the MLSS thing, many of the "variant" enemies did get -mild- redesigns to match the current base ones; Yo Bro got taller and with a more normal-looking beak, Beanerang and Chomp Bros got shoes (unlike Limbo Bro, which still lacks shoes - much like Sledge Bro), Sniper Bill matches normal Bill now, all the Snifits were given black masks, Gunner Guy is a more standard red rather than camou, Ice Snifits and Chuck Guys were given more standard Shy Guy body shape, the "presenter" Moles look like normal Monty Moles rather than Mega Moles, the list goes on. The Border Bros. keeping their "what the heck are these martians supposed to be" design indicates they weren't meant to just be Hammer Bros. (Also, it's my fault the wiki no longer treats Sumo Bros. as Hammer Bros., that was before TOK and the gigaleak.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:28, September 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
