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==Separate M&L:SS Boomerang Bro.?== | == Separate M&L:SS Boomerang Bro.? == | ||
They look nothing like normal Hammer Bros. (tall and skinny, with sunglasses, no boots, brown boomerangs, and purple domed helmets with sprout growing out of the top...), so I think we should give them their own article to reflect the fact that they're a different species. This is going by the same logic that split [[Dark Koopatrol (Super Paper Mario)]] from [[Dark Koopatrol]], which led to similar splits of [[Dark Paratroopa]] and [[Dark Koopa]]. I'll make a Talk Page Proposal if I have to, but if we can come to an informal consensus, I think it'd be faster (the aforementioned Koopatrol pages were split without need of a TPP). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:28, 19 February 2011 (EST) | They look nothing like normal Hammer Bros. (tall and skinny, with sunglasses, no boots, brown boomerangs, and purple domed helmets with sprout growing out of the top...), so I think we should give them their own article to reflect the fact that they're a different species. This is going by the same logic that split [[Dark Koopatrol (Super Paper Mario)]] from [[Dark Koopatrol]], which led to similar splits of [[Dark Paratroopa]] and [[Dark Koopa]]. I'll make a Talk Page Proposal if I have to, but if we can come to an informal consensus, I think it'd be faster (the aforementioned Koopatrol pages were split without need of a TPP). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:28, 19 February 2011 (EST) | ||
:I think they are like [[Troopea]]s; they are Bean Bean versions of them except their name remains unchanged from the normal species. When I first encountered them, I didn't think that they are a Boomerang Bro. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}} | :I think they are like [[Troopea]]s; they are Bean Bean versions of them except their name remains unchanged from the normal species. When I first encountered them, I didn't think that they are a Boomerang Bro. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}} | ||
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==Merge Boomerang bros M&L:SS to [[Boomerang Bro.]]== | ==Merge Boomerang bros M&L:SS to [[Boomerang Bro.]]== | ||
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I feel this is necessary since the Japanese name for both simply calls them Boomerang Bro. also they share the same attack and it doesnt make sense to have them as two seperate species of the same name since we don't have anything else like that | I feel this is necessary since the Japanese name for both simply calls them Boomerang Bro. also they share the same attack and it doesnt make sense to have them as two seperate species of the same name since we don't have anything else like that | ||
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#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per him! Yay! | #{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per him! Yay! | ||
#{{User|Zero777}} Per proposal, also isn't the M&L:SS Hammer Bro. in the Hammer Bro. article? | #{{User|Zero777}} Per proposal, also isn't the M&L:SS Hammer Bro. in the Hammer Bro. article? | ||
===Keep Split=== | ===Keep Split=== | ||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per what I said in the section right above this one. ("''They look nothing like normal Hammer Bros. [...] so I think we should give them their own article to reflect the fact that they're a different species. This is going by the same logic that split [[Dark Koopatrol (Super Paper Mario)]] from [[Dark Koopatrol]], which led to similar splits of [[Dark Paratroopa]] and [[Dark Koopa]].''") | #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per what I said in the section right above this one. ("''They look nothing like normal Hammer Bros. [...] so I think we should give them their own article to reflect the fact that they're a different species. This is going by the same logic that split [[Dark Koopatrol (Super Paper Mario)]] from [[Dark Koopatrol]], which led to similar splits of [[Dark Paratroopa]] and [[Dark Koopa]].''") | ||
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} - Per Walkazo. | #{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} - Per Walkazo. | ||
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You know this how which official source other than the French and Italian translation says that they are a different species because the two biggest video game markets North America and Japan where the game was made call it boomerang bro and never once imply that it is a different species also all you'r arguments are speculative at best and i might like to add that it could just be that the different types of Hammer Bros. might not be different since they do not have different Japanese names unlike every other species you have mentioned {{User|Iggykoopa}} | You know this how which official source other than the French and Italian translation says that they are a different species because the two biggest video game markets North America and Japan where the game was made call it boomerang bro and never once imply that it is a different species also all you'r arguments are speculative at best and i might like to add that it could just be that the different types of Hammer Bros. might not be different since they do not have different Japanese names unlike every other species you have mentioned {{User|Iggykoopa}} | ||
:I got the info from the original Boomerang Bro. article: ask whoever added the names originally where they got the info if you ''really'' want to know, but second-guessing the database is a bad way to go about arguing your point. The size of the game markets doesn't matter: the French and Italian versions are just as valid as the Japanese and English versions. Their completely different appearance is a pretty solid implication that they're a different kind of Boomerang Bro., if you ask me. The important bits are not speculative: it is a fact that the ''M&L:SS'' Boomerang Bros. look different from every other game's Boomerang Bro., and it is a fact that they look different from the ''M&L:SS'' Hammer Bros. which do look like standard Hammer Bro., and it is also a fact that all the other major Koopa species have Beanish variants, to which the Boomerang Bros. ''do'' bear a resemblance. Ignoring all that in favour of "they're named the same and both use boomerangs" is a far worse analysis than coming to the logical conclusion that the ''M&L:SS'' Boomerang Bros. are different, as far as providing our readers with accurate coverage goes, at least. It's not speculation if it's common sense. You have to look at the context, not just the words: if they weren't both called "Boomerang Bros.", no one would try to say they're the same species, because they are not the same - ''except in name'': take that away, and there's no problem; that's what the French and Italian folks did, giving us a conveniently official excuse to follow the facts and do the same. Also, the Para-Beetle and Parabuzzy example I mentioned earlier ''don't'' have different Japanese names: maybe you should read my comments a bit more thoroughly before making all these accusations. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:55, 31 March 2011 (EDT) | :I got the info from the original Boomerang Bro. article: ask whoever added the names originally where they got the info if you ''really'' want to know, but second-guessing the database is a bad way to go about arguing your point. The size of the game markets doesn't matter: the French and Italian versions are just as valid as the Japanese and English versions. Their completely different appearance is a pretty solid implication that they're a different kind of Boomerang Bro., if you ask me. The important bits are not speculative: it is a fact that the ''M&L:SS'' Boomerang Bros. look different from every other game's Boomerang Bro., and it is a fact that they look different from the ''M&L:SS'' Hammer Bros. which do look like standard Hammer Bro., and it is also a fact that all the other major Koopa species have Beanish variants, to which the Boomerang Bros. ''do'' bear a resemblance. Ignoring all that in favour of "they're named the same and both use boomerangs" is a far worse analysis than coming to the logical conclusion that the ''M&L:SS'' Boomerang Bros. are different, as far as providing our readers with accurate coverage goes, at least. It's not speculation if it's common sense. You have to look at the context, not just the words: if they weren't both called "Boomerang Bros.", no one would try to say they're the same species, because they are not the same - ''except in name'': take that away, and there's no problem; that's what the French and Italian folks did, giving us a conveniently official excuse to follow the facts and do the same. Also, the Para-Beetle and Parabuzzy example I mentioned earlier ''don't'' have different Japanese names: maybe you should read my comments a bit more thoroughly before making all these accusations. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:55, 31 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
